I argue abortion is murder and intrinsically wrong

Are you sure you want to pay for other people's kids in foster care? It seems kind of socialist don't you think?

But the best way to reduce the abortion rate is to encourage sexually active men to get a vasectomy. I'm anti abortion (not pro life; but anti-abortion) and I will get a vasectomy before I have sex.

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I've argued that much better in other debates. This one was just an introductory line to bait pro into disagreeing, and then I'd launch more.

Anyway, I'd bet money the supreme court has some weird rule along the lines of "well the authors never envisioned blacks would be treated as people, so the 13th amendment cannot be applied to black slaves" (yes, I know that one was written specifically for them, but done so properly to be also applicable to any other; this was hyperbole).

But yes, I do believe it is a crime to enslave (or involuntary servitude) women for use as a life support device for another.
Taking the current system to its stupid but logical conclusion, "where you going dressed like that with two kidneys, a senator needs a kidney."

As for kicking out children... While it drifts outside the scope, Nebraska actually made a law which allowed that (just had to reach a hospital, and you could drop them off without even leaving your name... Babysitting solved!). It of course is a situation where someone who would want to do that, probably shouldn't have been trusted with the care of children to begin with. Here it's worth noting that other states have a 72 hour rule for dropping off an undesired baby after birth). With children there does gets to be an implicit contract by your continual actions before you throw them into a snowstorm or whatever; but such a contract with them does not guarantee anything about what you do with your body; you could poison yourself (over simplifying Plan B), or if you're a real bastard betray them by fucking their mom.
https://youtu.be/NPPyvJN2Mxo?si=uc_GQP0HnhPuDhwH&t=57

I should add that when the trans-Atlantic slave trade was abolished, there was no stipulation that slaves had to keep serving their former masters if they were really really needed. There were probably a few isolated deaths from this among the elderly, who have a harder time caring for themselves.

I think Murray rothbard takes it to its logical conclusion if I am not mistaken and actually believed in legalizing child neglect. Some libertarians view the point of birth as a creation of a type of contract but the latter is more cope to deal with the uncomfortable reality of the logical conclusion that libertarian philosophy leads to.

I dont know if you actually believe the following statement but it would make a more interesting debate than whatever this is. I also dont think me and you have ever debated. I also don't know how far you are willing to take this premise. If you take it to its logical conclusion than it would be easier to defend but then you would be doing it from an extreme libertarian position.

". The constitution's 13th amendment forbade slavery and involuntary servitude [1]. Needless to say, forcing women to be pregnant against their wishes is using them as a slave caste."

I dont know what the fuck that was but it made me pro life. Thanks pro.

Are you arguing for abortion or against?

After that round one, I really cant tell.

"Abortion is ... labor complications, death of the child"

right. ok.

Thanks for reminding me I would have forgot!

I took a look at that before we talked and I know your reputation. Don't hold back 💪

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