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KichiroMS

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Topic

#4473

History books for each country should be provided in the internet for free

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

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After 1 vote and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

hey-yo

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Politics

History

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Publication date: 05.11.2023 02:48AM
Last updated date: 06.10.2023 10:35PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

hey-yo

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Description

In this debate I will argue that every country's history books should be provided online.
I believe that by reading each other's history, we can better understand why there is conflict between some countries.

Round 1

KichiroMS

05.16.2023 02:03AM

Pro

Before we start, I'd like to thank hey-yo for accepting this debate.

Firstly, I'd like to clarify what I meant by the title of the debate. It is my firm belief that history books of each country should be made available on the internet for free.

I believe this since it can be used to understand the perspectives of every side when a conflict occurs between countries. I believe that by reading the history, cultures, and the lifestyle of the countries involved, we can see why a country might feel the need for conflict/retaliation. While most of the information said can be found on the internet, the problem is the fact that almost all of it is hidden behind a paywall or outright banned from the country. This might make some people who don't really care about the conflict but want to publish or talk about the conflict talk and/or write based on rumors or other articles that may or may not be based on rumors too. Because of that, a continuous chain of misinformation could form and actual articles and journals may be hidden and/or disproved by these articles.

hey-yo

05.17.2023 04:41AM

Con

Hey thanks for making this into a debate. This is rather unique and step away from hot topics. Looks like it can be fun.

I am open to any sort of definition being used and will assume/use webster-marriam definitions unless stated otherwise. I have a few questions before getting into the grit.

I'll use a number system to break conversation down into parts and provide quotes as needed for easy reading.

1. It is my firm belief that history books of each country should be made available on the internet for free.

To confirm, are we looking only at history books or do we consider books on sociology or culture that may not be categorized as history despite serving the same purpose? Like magazines or news medias.

Can the internet be censored in any way or should we consider the internet to be open to everyone as well?

2. I believe this since it can be used to understand the perspectives of every side when a conflict occurs between countries.

Although reading the history, cultures, and lifestyle of a country can help us understand some parts, hownmay it help us understand current events?

Can dialogue exist between conflicting countries that depict the same message with out books or history?

3. almost all history books/documents online are behind a paywall or outright banned from a country?

I agree and disagree.

I have found this an issue with many studies or articles I try to use. The worst is the news agencies or what ever website requiring subscriptions. There is a cost in maintaining servers and an online presence to allow an audience. Have you considered what it would take to digitize all history books in the world?

https://er.educause.edu/articles/2017/3/transforming-our-libraries-from-analog-to-digital-a-2020-vision

Here is an article about an entity that is trying or has tried to digitize all books (or most) for free. This article highlights a few challenges that has been experienced.

Do we need to consider challenges to your goal in order to justify doing it or deciding not to? In other words....to you... how does these challenges support a pro or con stance?

4. Countries seem to cover history with conflicting or different information. Adding their own misinformation. Do you see this as a barrier or challenge for your position?

Round 2

KichiroMS

05.24.2023 04:41AM

Pro

Forfeited

hey-yo

05.27.2023 09:08PM

Con

Much to what I wish to speak on next depends on follow up.

Give more chance to respond.

Extend.

Round 3

KichiroMS

06.03.2023 09:08PM

Pro

Forfeited

hey-yo

06.03.2023 10:35PM

Con

No need to vote. No debate here

Intelligence_06

05.17.2023 03:54PM

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@hey-yo

Those are historically valuable. That said, you should have in every right defined what "history book" is.

hey-yo

05.17.2023 04:46AM

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@Intelligence_06

Are you saying confidential recordings that are historical like recently released documents on u.f.o.'s or confidential files that happen to be about historical recordings that may be open to the public?

Intelligence_06

05.16.2023 02:05AM

Confidential files about recorded history are, indeed history books. Now try to make them free. I dare you. Even if you really dare to do so, I bet that agents in more than one country will be out there to get you. And if you really do that, you--as the one who basically stole information--are the guilty one, not the agents protecting them.

oromagi

06.08.2023 06:44PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

2/3rds arguments forfeited = full forfeit