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Topic
#1032
prescription medication is poison
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
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Better legibility
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Better conduct
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After 2 votes and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...
Speedrace
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Description
we will discuss pharmakeai and pharmakon
Round 1
Pro
#1
sorry I took so long.
evil definitions
the word pharmakeai means
the use or the administering of drugs
poisoning
sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
the word pharmakon means
from pharmakon (a drug)
Definition
a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
NASB Translation
pharmacy is derived off the word pharmakeai. This is because pharmacy's want to harm you.
etomology online dictionary says pharmacy came from pharmakeai.
in the collinsdictionary.com under the word pharmaceutical. in the origins of section. it talks about how the word comes from pharmakon
or if you look at yourdictionary.COM you get under origins
you get
Origin of pharmaceutical
Late Latin pharmaceuticus from Classical Greek pharmakeutikos from pharmakeuein, to practice witchcraft, use medicine from pharmakon, a poison, medicine
here is one of the pharmakeai bible quote
King James Version
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy pharmakeai were all nations deceived.
doctors are considered great men
pharmaceutical industry is a drug cartel
1.pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death . this is because pharmaceuticals it is meant to harm you
.2
over 100 thousand people die each year because they take prescription medication. this is because prescription medications are meant to harm you.
.3
big pharma gives millions of dollars to politicians because they know that there drugs are dangerous and they have to bribe people to make there drugs legal. There drugs are dangerous because there are meant to harm you.
4
.big pharma corruption started the opioid epidemic. The opioid epidemic destroyed the lives of soccer moms who says no to illegal drugs but believe legal drugs are safer. this happened because drugs are meant to harm you.
5
.we kill millions of babies inside abortion clinics. they do not even call them babies but fetus. this is the work of pharmakeai sorcerers.
6
.we play the I'm not crazy game with our children we play this game because pharmaceuticals are meant to harm you. while they claim to be helping us they treat them like experiment animals.
7
and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs. this is because prescription drugs are meant to harm you
8
prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs. this is because it is meant to hurt you
9
.we put aborted babies in our vaccines. we do this because vaccines are meant to harm you.
but we are flooded by fake news like this one done by ABC. were they say the aborted babies are not harmful and even the future catholic pope approves of it. disgusting abc even claims it does not interfere with the disgusting catholic bible.
10
and can we safely ignore those people who claim to perform magical rituals in abortion clinics
11
.the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick
this is because it is meant to harm you and it is snake oil.
12
one of the evidence for the fema cam conspiracy theory is one of the medical code in Obama care sanctions death by guillotines. This is because it is meant to harm you.
13
prescription medication usually has a long list of side effects for example Prozac causes yellow eyes and skin and thought of suicide and 120 plus other things. These side effect that have nothing to do with what the drug is treating. and have no way of coming naturally unless they were designed to do such
14
some mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription drugs and suffered from the side effect suicide thought or actions.
over 1500 hundred cases
15
they put prescription drugs in our tap water. These pharmaceuticals have absurd side effects. They put prescription drugs in our water to hurt us. The reason you need a prescription to get these drugs is because the drugs are dangerous. so why is it in our tap water. available to everyone. Unless it is meant to harm.
here is just one of them look at the side effects
for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugs
Atenolol
side effects of atenolol.
Blurred vision
cold hands or feet
confusion
difficult or labored breathing
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
shortness of breath
sweating
tightness in chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
wheezing
Anxiety
chest pain or discomfort
chills
cold sweats
cough
dizziness or lightheadedness
fainting
fast heartbeat
leg pain
noisy breathing
slow or irregular heartbeat
sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing
Bloody urine
decreased frequency or amount of urine
increased blood pressure
increased thirst
loss of appetite
lower back or side pain
nausea
swelling of face, fingers, or lower legs
vomiting
weight gain
Black, tarry stools
bleeding gums
blood in urine or stools
blurred or loss of vision
bone or joint pain
disturbed color perception
double vision
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
fever
halos around lights
night blindness
overbright appearance of lights
paleness or cold feeling in fingertips and toes
pinpoint red or purple spots on skin
severe mood or mental changes
skin irritation or rash, including rash that looks like psoriasis
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat
swollen or painful glands
tingling or pain in fingers or toes when exposed to cold
tunnel vision
unusual behavior
unusual bleeding or bruising
Anxiety
coma
cool, pale skin
depression
dilated neck veins
extreme fatigue
headache
increased hunger
irregular breathing
nervousness
nightmares
seizures
shakiness
slurred speech
unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness
what if someone suffer from side effect from the drug Atenolol being put in the water
lets talk about the worst offenders here.
what if someone suffers from
"sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing"because they added atenolol to the water.
our water can cause us to stop breathing because someone added a pharmaceutical drug to it let that sink in.
what if someone who drinks water suffers from the side effects
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
because they are adding pharmaceutical drugs to our water
Round 2
Pro
#3
big pharma beleives in the hypocrite oath. the hypocrite oath is an old Greek scroll like thing that is held very sacred to physicians
even PBS the tv channel has an internet page talking about it
The Hippocratic Oath is an oath of ethics historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods , to uphold specific ethical standards.
they worship Hermes and Asceiplius
the world health association symbol is Asceiplius
the father of medicine is named hypocrite
Hippocrates: (c.460-377BC) Great Greek physician on the Mediterranean island of Cos, who founded a medical school there, and is regarded as the "Father of Medicine
Con
#4
pharmacy is derived off the word pharmakeai. This is because pharmacy's want to harm you.
No, it's because pharmacy's prescribe drugs.
1.pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death . this is because pharmaceuticals it is meant to harm you
Cars kill over a million people a year. Does that mean they were built to hurt you? Of course not! [1]
over 100 thousand people die each year because they take prescription medication. this is because prescription medications are meant to harm you.
See above
big pharma gives millions of dollars to politicians because they know that there drugs are dangerous and they have to bribe people to make there drugs legal. There drugs are dangerous because there are meant to harm you
That's because they want to spend as little money on the medicine as possible, not because they purposefully want to harm people. You need INTENT for that, and all they want to do is make money.
.big pharma corruption started the opioid epidemic. The opioid epidemic destroyed the lives of soccer moms who says no to illegal drugs but believe legal drugs are safer. this happened because drugs are meant to harm you.
No, it happened because they wanted to make money.
.we kill millions of babies inside abortion clinics. they do not even call them babies but fetus. this is the work of pharmakeai sorcerers.
No evidence was given. Bare assertion
.we play the I'm not crazy game with our children we play this game because pharmaceuticals are meant to harm you. while they claim to be helping us they treat them like experiment animals.
No evidence was given. Bare assertion
and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs. this is because prescription drugs are meant to harm you
No, it's because they want to make money buy spending as little as possible on the medicine. However, if they wanted to purposefully harm you, then all of their customers would die and they would make LESS money. So that's obviously not true.
prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs. this is because it is meant to hurt you
No, it's because people take too much of it.
.we put aborted babies in our vaccines. we do this because vaccines are meant to harm you.but we are flooded by fake news like this one done by ABC. were they say the aborted babies are not harmful and even the future catholic pope approves of it. disgusting abc even claims it does not interfere with the disgusting catholic bible.
Vaccines aren't prescriptions. Irrelevant
and can we safely ignore those people who claim to perform magical rituals in abortion clinics
This is irrelevant.
.the world health association symbol is a snake on a stickthis is because it is meant to harm you and it is snake oil.
There's a brand of cars with a Jaguar symbol. Do they want to eat you? Obviously not.
one of the evidence for the fema cam conspiracy theory is one of the medical code in Obama care sanctions death by guillotines. This is because it is meant to harm you.
Guillotines are irrelevant.
prescription medication usually has a long list of side effects for example Prozac causes yellow eyes and skin and thought of suicide and 120 plus other things. These side effect that have nothing to do with what the drug is treating. and have no way of coming naturally unless they were designed to do such
See above answers
some mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription drugs and suffered from the side effect suicide thought or actions.
Those were side effects, which are called such because they are UNINTENTIONAL.
they put prescription drugs in our tap water. These pharmaceuticals have absurd side effects. They put prescription drugs in our water to hurt us. The reason you need a prescription to get these drugs is because the drugs are dangerous. so why is it in our tap water. available to everyone. Unless it is meant to harm.
You need a prescription so you don't overdose.
Sources
Round 3
Pro
#5
Con dismissed all of the thing that big pharma has done that did not deal in prescription medication but stuff like vaccines by saying it is irrelevant which is not true. if big pharma is willing to poison us by putting aborted babies in vaccines and other medical stuff. then why would they not poison prescription medication. Given that they derive there words off pharmakeai that means poisoning with drugs. Con says that the prescribe drug part of pharmakeai only matters and not the sorcery and poisoning. but lays no proof of this claim
pharmacy is derived off the word pharmakeai. This is because pharmacy's want to harm you.
No, it's because pharmacy's prescribe drugs.
He then goes on and puts half of my argument in a box and say all this bad stuff is happening because big pharma wants money. even though examples like them putting pharmaceuticals in our tap water to poison us. Sorta dismisses all these terrible tragedy simply being the result of greed because they are litterally using prescription medication as a poisonous substance.
.we kill millions of babies inside abortion clinics. they do not even call them babies but fetus. this is the work of pharmakeai sorcerers.
No evidence was given. Bare assertion
.we play the I'm not crazy game with our children we play this game because pharmaceuticals are meant to harm you. while they claim to be helping us they treat them like experiment animals.
No evidence was given. Bare assertion
We kill millions of babies via abortion i thought that was common knowledge.
Here for the we play the i'm not crazy game with our children.
prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs. this is because it is meant to hurt you
No, it's because people take too much of it.
No it is because they prescribe to much of it.
.the world health association symbol is a snake on a stickthis is because it is meant to harm you and it is snake oil.
There's a brand of cars with a Jaguar symbol. Do they want to eat you? Obviously not.
No it is more like if a christian church had the pentagram plastered on its walls.
some mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription drugs and suffered from the side effect suicide thought or actions.
Those were side effects, which are called such because they are UNINTENTIONAL.
those side effects have nothing to do with the parts of the body in which the drugs were treating and thus have no way of happening unless programmed in.
during the cold war the cia use to have doctors cut people brains up in the hops to discover the secrets to mind control. this secret experiment was called mk ultra
though i did not see the video it would not play national geographic covered it
Con
#6
if big pharma is willing to poison us by putting aborted babies in vaccines and other medical stuff. then why would they not poison prescription medication.
That's like saying, if little Timmy was willing to lie about doing his homework, why wouldn't he also be sneaking out of the house at night to do drugs? There's no correlation. Secondly, the babies' cells are used to culture the vaccines. That's standard.
He then goes on and puts half of my argument in a box and say all this bad stuff is happening because big pharma wants money. even though examples like them putting pharmaceuticals in our tap water to poison us. Sorta dismisses all these terrible tragedy simply being the result of greed because they are litterally using prescription medication as a poisonous substance.
Poisoning requires intent. Poisoning kills. If they kill their customers, there are less customers to buy their products, and then they lose money. But we know that all they want is money. So that obviously is not the case. Don't conflate side-effects with poisoning.
We kill millions of babies via abortion i thought that was common knowledge.
Abortions have literally nothing to do with prescription medicine.
Here for the we play the i'm not crazy game with our children.
Nowhere in that article does it mention any game of any kind, and how does such a game relate to prescription medicine. This is irrelevant.
prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs. this is because it is meant to hurt youNo, it's because people take too much of it.No it is because they prescribe to much of it.
Again, prescribing and poisoning are two very different things. If they were meant to hurt you, that means they want to kill you. But they prescribe too much TO MAKE MONEY, which they wouldn't be doing by purposefully killing their customers.
.the world health association symbol is a snake on a stickthis is because it is meant to harm you and it is snake oil.There's a brand of cars with a Jaguar symbol. Do they want to eat you? Obviously not.No it is more like if a christian church had the pentagram plastered on its walls.
A snake in the logo does not translate to harming. Besides, if that was true, why would they make it so obvious?
some mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription drugs and suffered from the side effect suicide thought or actions.Those were side effects, which are called such because they are UNINTENTIONAL.those side effects have nothing to do with the parts of the body in which the drugs were treating and thus have no way of happening unless programmed in.
That makes absolutely no sense. The drugs get dispersed and affect areas other than the one that needs to medicine, and thus cause side effects. That's because the body's blood FLOWS EVERYWHERE, so there's no way for the drugs to go into only one place.
during the cold war the cia use to have doctors cut people brains up in the hops to discover the secrets to mind control. this secret experiment was called mk ultrathough i did not see the video it would not play national geographic covered it
This has nothing to do with prescription medicine and is thus irrelevant.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Spelling and Grammar
"It's time for, your favorite show, SHOWCASING OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES!"
As you can see here ".2 over 100 thousand people die each year because they take prescription medication. this is because prescription medications are meant to harm you." The sentence has no capital letters, and the period is before the two. This seems like Pro put in absolutely no effort or time in writing this (or is just in grade school)
Arguments:
C'mon, let me compare the arguments:
.big pharma corruption started the opioid epidemic. The opioid epidemic destroyed the lives of soccer moms who says no to illegal drugs but believe legal drugs are safer. this happened because drugs are meant to harm you.
(Again, bad grammar/spelling)
"No, it happened because they wanted to make money."
I can hardly read Pro's argument, but con's argument is straight forward and simple.
Conduct goes to pro because con forfeited.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
See comment section:
https://www.debateart.com/debates/1032/comment_links/17398
Gist:
Technically the right poisons in low doses heal, which pro misses is the opposite of harm... Anyway, if pro ever met his BoP, he hid such inside the Gish Gallop.
Thanks, I appreciated the comedy lol
Pro please format these better. Here’s a guide: https://tiny.cc/DebateArt
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Gist:
Technically the right poisons in low doses heal, which pro misses is the opposite of harm... Anyway, if pro ever met his BoP, he hid such inside the Gish Gallop.
1. “Evil Definitions”
Yes, words are derived from other words. So very evil indeed.
Con asserts that they are named after it for the similar field, instead of the intent to harm (missed the basic evolution of words, but pro never proved the intent was harm so assertion meet assertion).
2. “pharmaceutical industry is a drug cartel”
15 part Gish Gallop.
Con engages in a Gish reply.
Pro complains that he thinks irrelevant things are relevant.
3. Side Effects
Atenolol indeed has side effects, and if you believe sales fear factics employed by water filtration companies (or homeopathic practitioners... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvuzpeAIm24) diluting it into large bodies of water would magically make it stronger (implied and required for threat to be valid, but not directly stated.
Con points out that you need a prescription to avoid taking too much of it to then be poisoned.
Pro insists they prescribe intentionally dangerous amounts.
Con counters that such would make them less money (which would prevent them from being an effective drug cartel).
4. Doctors Are Secretly Greek Cultists and/or Sorcerers
They do have recognizable symbols, so there’s that. And they take evil oaths to do no harm...
Con compares these symbols to the branding on Jaguar cars, completely overlooking how many people those cars literally envelope every year!
5. CIA Surgical Conspiracies
Unsure what this has to do with the resolution...
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Arguments: Con
See above review of key points. Sorry if anyone is confused by the dusting of comedy mixed in. Basically con wins or ties every relevant contention.
Sources: Tied
Gish Galloped sources do not win the point.
Conduct: Pro
Forfeited round.
Someone remind me tomorrow morning and I'll vote (maybe even tonight depending on how late my social plans go).
pls vote
Jeez
if people are just going to ignore my stuff on other medical evils. Perhaps i should say pharmaceuticals are poison instead of prescription drugs
Thanks didn't realize. I knew he didn't know what he was talking about now I am sure of it.
A conspiracy theorist made a more convincing argument than a person who used what was scientifically agreed upon?
I'll add conspiracy theorist to the list of Athias being an anarchist, Religious and generally a person who makes bad arguments.
Athias has said something about you
DUDE I SUBMITTED MY THING WHAT IS THIS
Well someone's going to have an easy victory.
I just looked at his previous argument on the very subject. And the voting for it is at best questionable, and borderline lazy. Despite his forfeit, he provided a much better argument than omar2345. Good luck to you, too, Speedrace. Given his thorough list in the previous debate, it'll be difficult to argue against.
Look at his previous debates
Right XD
I agree with you. Good luck in your debate. And I hope you provide a very convincing argument.
I wish I can take it I have 3 debates on though so I cant take more knowing my limit
This will be an easy win for someone...