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@Best.Korea
There are many surahs in Quran saying all non-believers will burn alive eternally, even if they do good deeds. Now, you can pretend that Quran doesnt say what it says, but that just makes me not respect your religion even more since you are basically a liar.
"I’m not pretending or lying; I’m clarifying the context, which is key to understanding the Qur'an. Let me address your concern directly:"
1. The Qur'an Addresses Different Types of Non-Believers
The Qur'an doesn’t lump all non-believers into one category. It distinguishes between:
- Kuffar (deliberate rejecters): Those who know the truth but reject it out of arrogance or hatred.
- Ahlul Kitab (People of the Book): Jews and Christians, who are given a special status.
- Mushrikeen (polytheists): Those who worship idols or associate partners with God.
- Those unaware or misguided: Their judgment is left to Allah’s perfect justice.
2. Judgment Is Based on Truth and Accountability
- The Qur'an repeatedly states that Allah is the most just: "Allah does not wrong even the weight of an atom" (4:40).
- People are judged according to their knowledge, intentions, and actions. Those who never received the message properly or were misled without fault are promised fairness.
3. Good Deeds Matter, Even for Non-Believers
The Qur'an acknowledges the value of good deeds. It says that no effort goes to waste, though the ultimate reward differs based on belief and sincerity:
- "Whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it" (99:7).
- Non-believers are rewarded for their good deeds in this world and, depending on Allah’s mercy, in the afterlife.
4. Eternal Punishment Is for Rebellion, Not Ignorance
Eternal punishment is reserved for those who:
- Knowingly reject the truth out of arrogance and hostility.
- Spread corruption, oppression, and evil knowingly.It is about the state of the heart and deliberate rebellion, not simply a label.
5. The Concept of Justice vs. Mercy
If a criminal commits atrocities without remorse, would it be unjust for them to face consequences? The Qur'an’s concept of Hell is similar—it’s about justice for ultimate rebellion against truth and goodness.
"So, I’m not denying what the Qur'an says. I’m explaining that the Qur'an is nuanced about belief and accountability. You may still disagree, but please know that my explanation is sincere, not a lie."
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@Best.Korea
So you think its justice to torture all atheists eternally in a fire, and you expect me to respect such psychopathic view?
"I see why this troubles you, and it’s important to clarify what the Qur'an says about justice and the afterlife. It’s not about blind punishment but about accountability, choices, and mercy. Let’s break it down:"
1. The Qur'an Emphasizes Mercy Over Punishment
- The Qur’an repeatedly states that Allah’s mercy outweighs His wrath. The doors of repentance are open until the last breath.
- The afterlife isn't about cruelty; it’s about consequences. Just like laws in any society, actions—good or bad—have outcomes.
- People who are ignorant of the truth or misguided without their fault are promised justice and fairness.
2. Judgment Is Based on Intentions, Not Labels
- The Qur’an doesn’t condemn all atheists simply for disbelief; it condemns those who know the truth, recognize it, and reject it arrogantly.
- There’s a difference between someone who never found faith or misunderstood it and someone who maliciously rejects goodness and truth.
3. Justice vs. Mercy
- Eternal punishment is for those who intentionally cause harm, spread evil, or live without remorse.
- Justice in any system means consequences for actions. If we punish murderers in this life, is it ‘psychopathic’ or is it justice? Similarly, the afterlife is about ultimate justice—rewarding the truly good and holding the truly evil accountable.
4. What About Good Atheists?
- The Qur’an leaves judgment to Allah, who knows everyone’s heart and circumstances. "Indeed, Allah does not wrong anyone by an atom's weight" (4:40).
- The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) taught that those who do good deeds sincerely will be rewarded, regardless of their background.
"So, my belief isn’t about cruelty or hatred; it’s about trust in perfect justice and mercy beyond human understanding. You don’t have to agree with it, but I hope you can see it’s not a ‘psychopathic’ view—it’s a belief in accountability, fairness, and ultimate truth."
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@Best.Korea
So you think its justice to torture all atheists eternally in a fire, and you expect me to respect such psychopathic view?
"I understand your concerns, and I’ll address them directly. Let’s break down each point carefully and discuss them with reason and respect."
1. “Islam justifies eternal torture of non-believers.”
Response:
The concept of eternal punishment is found in many religions, often as a consequence for rejecting guidance rather than a random act of cruelty. In Islam, Allah’s mercy is emphasized far more than His punishment. The Quran repeatedly encourages seeking forgiveness and repentance, leaving the final judgment to Allah, who knows everyone’s circumstances and intentions. Additionally:
- The Quran highlights mercy: "My mercy encompasses all things" (7:156).
- Judgment is based on deeds and intentions: The Quran mentions that non-believers who were unaware of the message or misunderstood it due to no fault of their own are treated with fairness.
- Paradise is a reward; Hell is a consequence: Just like laws in any society, actions have consequences. The Quran emphasizes justice, but also encourages repentance and forgiveness.
2. “Followers of Islam aren’t the most peaceful people, so Islam fails to produce peaceful people.”
Response:
It is important to distinguish between a teaching and the behavior of its followers. The actions of individuals do not necessarily reflect the teachings of their faith. For example:
- Every group has peaceful and violent individuals: Judging a faith by the worst behavior of some followers is unfair. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and other religions have had violent followers, but that doesn’t mean their teachings promote violence.
- Islam encourages peace: The very word “Islam” is derived from the word Salaam, meaning peace. The Quran states: "Whoever kills a person unjustly... it is as if he has killed all mankind" (5:32).
- Historical Contributions: Islamic civilizations have contributed immensely to science, medicine, art, and culture during times of peace and prosperity.
- Individual Responsibility: If a doctor commits a crime, we blame the individual, not the entire medical field. Similarly, individuals who misuse religion for violence are responsible for their actions.
3. “If Islam fails to produce peaceful people, then Allah fails as a teacher.”
Response:
The logic here is flawed because it assumes that teachings are automatically responsible for followers' behavior. To illustrate:
- A teacher can teach well, but students may still fail: If a teacher gives all resources, but a student chooses to cheat or skip class, is it the teacher’s failure or the student’s choice?
- Free will is central in Islam: Humans are given guidance and free will to follow or reject it. The Quran states: "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256).
- Accountability is individual: Each person is responsible for their own actions. The Quran states: "No bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another" (6:164).
- Many peaceful individuals are inspired by Islam: Millions of Muslims contribute to peace, charity, and community service daily, reflecting the positive outcomes of Islamic teachings.
Final Thought:
It’s important to approach this discussion with fairness. Criticizing a faith based on the actions of some followers while ignoring its teachings and the good it has inspired is an incomplete argument. True understanding requires examining the source, context, and outcomes as a whole.
"I appreciate the chance to address your concerns. I hope my answers provided clarity. I’m happy to continue this conversation if you’d like to explore further."
it's your choice what u want to choose, i am just stating facts about Islam . when a law is made then the ones who break r punished, so does allah say, that if u don't follow his laws, punishment is there.
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@Best.Korea
It's important to understand the context of the verse. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:6) refers specifically to those who knowingly reject the truth with arrogance and stubbornness, not to all non-Muslims in general. It addresses a theological condition of denial, not an insult or slur against individuals.
The Qur'an distinguishes between different types of non-believers:
- Mushrikun (polytheists),
- Ahlul Kitab (People of the Book, such as Jews and Christians),
- Kafirun (those who reject truth arrogantly and knowingly).
This verse speaks to the third group—those who reject faith even after fully understanding it, out of arrogance or hatred. It is about spiritual defiance, not intelligence or capability.
Also, calling someone “retarded” is a modern derogatory interpretation that has no place in the Qur'an’s language or intention. The Qur'an’s tone is about spiritual consequences, not personal insults.
If you want to criticize the Qur'an, it's better to do so from a place of deep reading and understanding, rather than through misinterpretation. You might find that the Qur'an spends more verses on mercy, justice, and forgiveness than on punishment.
u could still specify any part.....
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@Stephen
I didn't ask about "blasphemy". I asked where did those "individuals" get this idea that it is right to murder another for say, writing a novel?
The idea of murdering someone for writing a novel does not come from the core teachings of Islam; it comes from cultural, political, and extremist interpretations that misuse religious concepts for power or revenge. Islam strictly prohibits killing innocent people.
The Qur’an clearly says:
Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:32): Whoever kills a soul…it is as if he had killed all of mankind. And whoever saves a soul, it is as if he had saved all of mankind.
Acts of violence against writers or critics stem from people distorting religious ideas to justify personal anger or political agendas, not from the teachings of the religion itself. Historically, extremists have existed in every ideology, but their actions do not define the ideology. Islam, at its core, promotes justice, dialogue, and forgiveness, not personal vengeance.
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@Best.Korea
Well, is a quality of religion determined by quality of all its followers? Islam fails there too.As for core values, the core values of Quran are burning all non-muslims alive eternally in a fire.So I guess you can understand that as a non-muslim, I cannot really respect a religion which threatens to torture me eternally unless I subjugate to it. Its not a religion which wants peace with non-muslims. Quran promotes clear hate for all non-muslims.
The Qur’an’s concept of the afterlife is about justice, not hatred. It addresses consequences for actions, just as laws in society do. The mention of punishment isn’t about targeting people for their identity—it’s about choices and deeds. The Qur’an repeatedly emphasizes mercy, forgiveness, and guidance before warning of consequences for rejecting truth after knowing it fully.
Eternal punishment is for those who knowingly, arrogantly, and persistently do wrong and spread harm, not for innocent people or those who simply follow a different path. In fact, the Qur’an says clearly:
Surah Al-An’am (6:160): Whoever comes [on the Day of Judgment] with a good deed will have ten times the like thereof [to his credit], and whoever comes with an evil deed will not be recompensed except the like thereof; and they will not be wronged.
Also, about salvation:
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:62): Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans — those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness — will have their reward with their Lord.
The Qur’an condemns arrogance and oppression, not disagreement. If punishment alone defined a religion, then most religions would seem harsh, because they all warn of consequences for wrong actions. But the Qur’an also says:
Surah Az-Zumar (39:53): Say, “O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins.”
The essence of Islam is not hatred or torture—it’s guidance, choice, and justice with mercy.
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@Best.Korea
If Taoism promotes peace, and its followers do violence, then it simply means Taoism fails as a religion, just like Islam.Now, I dont really see whats your argument. I say "islam is bad" and you say "taoism is bad too". Well, sure, we can agree that they are both bad.
You’re missing the point. The actions of followers don’t define a religion—the teachings do. If someone commits violence while claiming to follow Taoism or Islam, it reflects their failure to live by those teachings, not a flaw in the religion itself.
By your logic, if someone commits evil acts in the name of Taoism, would you blame Taoism entirely? Probably not. It’s the same with Islam. You and I can agree that human behavior is often the problem, not the ideals or values a faith upholds.
By your logic, if someone commits evil acts in the name of Taoism, would you blame Taoism entirely? Probably not. It’s the same with Islam. You and I can agree that human behavior is often the problem, not the ideals or values a faith upholds.
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@Best.Korea
It hurts me much more if I dont insult nonsense such as islam, so they should just deal with it, really.
It’s understandable to feel strongly about these topics, but let’s keep the discussion fair. Every religion, ideology, and group has followers who act in ways that don’t reflect its true teachings.
If someone insults something deeply meaningful to you, your instinct is to defend it. It’s the same for people of any belief. However, respect should go both ways. You have every right to express your views, but labeling an entire faith as “nonsense” or dismissing it entirely closes the door to understanding and dialogue.
If your issue is with specific teachings or actions, critique them, but don’t assume every follower represents those actions. Peace starts when conversations, even tough ones, are handled with mutual respect.
If someone insults something deeply meaningful to you, your instinct is to defend it. It’s the same for people of any belief. However, respect should go both ways. You have every right to express your views, but labeling an entire faith as “nonsense” or dismissing it entirely closes the door to understanding and dialogue.
If your issue is with specific teachings or actions, critique them, but don’t assume every follower represents those actions. Peace starts when conversations, even tough ones, are handled with mutual respect.
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@Best.Korea
I have no any respect for religion which justifies eternal torture of atheists by alah. I dont see why you think that your religion deserves respect. Muslims never respect anyone. They even have degrading names for atheists in their holy texts. I dont see how can you ask for nonsense such as quran to be respected. Why should I respect religion which tells me that I will be eternally tortured after I die?
"I get why you feel this way, and you’re entitled to your opinion. But respecting a religion doesn't mean agreeing with every part of it—it means respecting people’s right to believe, just as you’d want your beliefs respected.
Also, let's clear a misconception: Disagreement is not hatred. Every religion warns of consequences for choices in life—that’s common in Taoism, Christianity, Hinduism, and others. But that doesn't mean every follower goes around threatening people.
Yes, the Qur’an has warnings for those who reject faith, but it also says:
- ‘There is no compulsion in religion.’ (2:256)
- ‘To you, your religion, and to me, mine.’ (109:6)
It’s about accountability, not cruelty. Eternal consequences are a concept found in many religions, not just Islam. Even Taoism teaches about karmic retribution and cycles of suffering.
As for respect—Muslims do respect others. They call Christians and Jews ‘People of the Book’ with honor, and even atheists are seen as part of humanity. If some Muslims show hate, that’s their personal failure, not Islam’s teaching.
In the end, respecting a religion isn’t about liking it—it’s about respecting the human right to believe. Just like you’d want your beliefs respected, even if someone disagrees with you."
The Qur'an and Islamic teachings address disbelievers (which can include atheists, polytheists, and others who reject the message) using certain terms, but these terms are more about spiritual states than personal insults. Here are some examples:
- Kafir (كافر) – Meaning “disbeliever” or “one who conceals the truth.”
- “Indeed, those who disbelieve—it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them—they will not believe.” (Qur'an 2:6)This term describes a theological position (someone who denies the message) rather than being a personal insult.
- Mushrik (مشرك) – Meaning “one who associates partners with Allah” (polytheist).
- “Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills.” (Qur'an 4:48)
- “Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills.” (Qur'an 4:48)
- Munafiq (منافق) – Meaning “hypocrite” (someone who claims belief but acts against it).
- “Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire.” (Qur'an 4:145)
- “Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire.” (Qur'an 4:145)
However, none of these terms are "name-calling" in a derogatory sense; they are theological descriptions.
Islamic View on Speech and Respect
- The Qur’an commands Muslims to speak kindly, even to those they disagree with:“And tell My servants to say that which is best. Indeed, Satan induces dissension among them.” (Qur'an 17:53)
- Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) taught:"A true believer does not insult, curse, or use foul language." (Tirmidhi)
What About Atheists Specifically?
The Qur'an does not single out atheists with degrading labels. It speaks of disbelief in general terms but encourages dialogue:
- “Do not argue with the People of the Book except in the best manner.” (Qur'an 29:46)
In Summary:
- The Qur’an uses descriptive terms (like “kafir”) based on belief, not as insults.
- Muslims are commanded to speak respectfully, even with opponents.
- Negative behavior from individuals reflects their character, not Islamic teachings.
So, if you’ve seen Muslims using insults, that’s their personal failure, not something the Qur'an instructs.
could u specify any ref. where u saw holy texts of islam calling names of atheists?
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@Best.Korea
No, my religion doesnt teach any eternal infinite torture in the afterlife.Now, I dont see why do you fail to respond to my argument. Is it too strong?Islam teaches that all non-muslims will be burned alive forever in a fire.So much for being a religion of peace and non-subjugation.I agree that muslims make islam look bad.Really, if Islam is the most peaceful religion, then you would at least think its followers will be most peaceful people, but no. The most peaceful country currently is Japan, with least murders. So I guess religion of alah doesnt work.
"I get where you’re coming from, but let’s separate faith from followers’ actions. If a religion teaches peace, but its followers act otherwise, that’s on human behavior, not the faith itself.
Look at Taoism—a beautiful philosophy of harmony and balance. Yet, in history, Taoist warlords fought brutal battles, and some used Taoist alchemy for power. Would you say Taoism promotes violence, or were those individuals just failing to embody its teachings?
Japan’s peace isn’t about religion—it’s about culture, law, and values. If religion alone made people peaceful, then medieval Taoist sects wouldn’t have fought wars either.
Also, labeling all Muslims for extremists’ actions is like blaming Taoism for the actions of the Yellow Turban Rebellion or religious oppression during certain Chinese dynasties.
No religion is defined by its worst followers. It’s defined by its core values. If you truly believe in Taoism’s principle of balance (Yin-Yang), then you’d understand that making sweeping judgments without understanding the whole picture creates disharmony.
True peace isn’t about which religion is ‘right’—it’s about how people live their values."
Look at Taoism—a beautiful philosophy of harmony and balance. Yet, in history, Taoist warlords fought brutal battles, and some used Taoist alchemy for power. Would you say Taoism promotes violence, or were those individuals just failing to embody its teachings?
Japan’s peace isn’t about religion—it’s about culture, law, and values. If religion alone made people peaceful, then medieval Taoist sects wouldn’t have fought wars either.
Also, labeling all Muslims for extremists’ actions is like blaming Taoism for the actions of the Yellow Turban Rebellion or religious oppression during certain Chinese dynasties.
No religion is defined by its worst followers. It’s defined by its core values. If you truly believe in Taoism’s principle of balance (Yin-Yang), then you’d understand that making sweeping judgments without understanding the whole picture creates disharmony.
True peace isn’t about which religion is ‘right’—it’s about how people live their values."
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@Stephen
I see.So can you tell me where those "individuals" get this idea that it is right to murder another for say, writing a novel?
The "idea" of killing for blasphemy doesn’t come from the religion—it comes from people misusing it. Faith teaches restraint, but extremists exploit anger for their gain.
It’s like blaming all science for nuclear bombs—the problem is in how knowledge is used, not in its core principles.
It’s like blaming all science for nuclear bombs—the problem is in how knowledge is used, not in its core principles.
Most people who commit such acts have a poor understanding of their religion. They may never have studied the Qur'an deeply or explored its emphasis on peace and justice.
When individuals commit violence over perceived insults to their faith, they are often influenced by a mix of religious misinterpretation, political agendas, cultural conditioning, and extremist rhetoric—not by the core teachings of their religion.
"Repel evil with what is better" (41:34)"Do not let hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness"(5:8)
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@Best.Korea
Nothing in your reply refutes anything I said. Also, you still didnt explain why members of religion which promotes peace so much have such great urge to kill and threat those who burn quran, or mock alah.
This is a deep and complex topic. The issue isn’t about the religion itself but how human emotions, cultural influences, and political contexts intersect with religious beliefs.
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@Best.Korea
You think it should be illegal to burn or mock Quran?
i didn't say that, what i mean is that each religion must be respected, whatever their belief is. whether it's bible,quran or any other, it will of course hurt it's followers.
by mentioning laws, i just denoted that thou there r rules bout religions, not evrywhere r they fulfilled.
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@Best.Korea
So you justify violence and threats. I guess thats okay.
i don't mean that i justify it, i just gave a rzn, n i don't approve of it. that's no way to treat sm1, even if they r disrespectful to u.
Muslims tried to subjugate me many times, by making all kinds of threats and lies against me, even beating me.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that. if they tried to lie or beat u for no cause<which is disgusting n immoral> then i'm afraid they didn't follow their religion at all. it isn't written anywhere that one threats or tortures sm1 in the quran, just cz they don't follow their religion. i think they might be some ppl trying to make the Islam look bad. if u look up it's teachings, mercy n kindness is something where there is most emphasis.
Even the Quran makes horrible threats of eternal torture against all non-muslims. But if you say there is no subjugation, then I guess I should trust you.
1. Buddhism:
Buddhism also warns of consequences for negative actions, but it emphasizes cause and effect (karma) over divine judgment:
- Naraka (Buddhist Hell): Beings who commit severe wrongdoing may be reborn in one of many hellish realms, suffering until their negative karma is exhausted. However, this suffering is not eternal; it ends when the karma is resolved.
- Cycle of Rebirth (Samsara): Negative actions can trap a soul in the cycle of suffering across many lifetimes.
2. Taoism (Daoism):
- Taoism generally emphasizes harmony with the Tao (the Way) and natural balance rather than explicit concepts of hell or eternal punishment. However, Taoist folklore and later texts do mention consequences for immoral actions:
- The Ten Courts of Hell: In Chinese folk religion (which blends Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism), souls pass through ten courts of judgment in the underworld (Diyu). Sinners are punished according to their deeds before reincarnation.
- Moral Retribution (Karma-like concept): Taoism teaches that actions have consequences (similar to karma). Evil deeds disrupt harmony and bring suffering, possibly extending into future lifetimes.
- The Ten Courts of Hell: In Chinese folk religion (which blends Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism), souls pass through ten courts of judgment in the underworld (Diyu). Sinners are punished according to their deeds before reincarnation.
3. Hinduism:
Hinduism has similar concepts to Buddhism:
- Karma and Rebirth: Actions in this life determine the circumstances of future lives.
- Yama and Naraka (Hell): Yama, the god of death, judges souls. Sinners are sent to different hells (Narakas) for temporary punishment before reincarnation.4
4. Christianity:
Christianity speaks of consequences for actions, particularly focusing on the afterlife:
- Heaven and Hell: Eternal reward or punishment based on faith and deeds.
- Judgment Day: The final day when all souls are judged according to their deeds (Revelation 20:12-15).
5. Judaism:
Judaism emphasizes justice but has diverse beliefs about the afterlife:
- Gehinnom: A purgatory-like place where souls are purified for up to 12 months before entering the World to Come.
Counter-Argument:
- All Religions Warn of Consequences: Punishment for wrongdoing is a universal theme across religious traditions, but the interpretations, durations, and forms of punishment vary.
- Qur’an’s Emphasis on Mercy: Unlike some traditions that teach eternal suffering without relief, the Qur’an repeatedly offers hope through repentance and Allah’s mercy (Surah Az-Zumar 39:53).
- Justice is Central in All Faiths: The concept of consequences for one’s actions is a cornerstone of moral teachings worldwide. The Qur'an also balances justice with mercy and the opportunity for forgiveness.
idk what the hell those Muslims said or did, but the way u tell, doesn't seem like what a true Muslim would do.
besides, the word of Quran is for justice n mercy, if u read some of the verses mentioned below, i guess it will be clear;
Verses on Allah’s Mercy:
i hope it will be clear.
But if you say there is no subjugation, then I guess I should trust you.
The Qur’an firmly opposes subjugation and promotes justice, freedom, and dignity. Any act of oppression done by individuals or groups in the name of Islam contradicts its teachings. In Islam, the concept of justice, dignity, and freedom is central. The Qur'an does not promote subjugation or oppression; rather, it condemns injustice and tyranny.
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@Best.Korea
i just replied to that, kindly check it out once.
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@Stephen
Do you mean "certain points " such as these?Knifeman attacks man 'burning Koran' on London street: 'Protester' rushed to hospital as police make arrest after violent confrontation outside Turkish Consulate.Police speak to child about death threats after Quran damaged at Wakefield school. Expelled and Paraded in front of the worlds press.Man who burned Quran 'shot dead in Sweden'Teacher who showed his pupils a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed is still in hiding a year [s] after fleeing his home [with his wife and children] due to death threats
“I understand your point about certain violent incidents, and I won’t deny that some people have acted terribly in the name of religion. However, it’s important to distinguish between the actions of individuals and the teachings of their faith. What I mean by ''certain points'' is that in general Quran does not promote it or anything. It only tells to fight for yourself against oppression.
The Qur’an itself promotes patience, justice, and peaceful conduct:
- Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256): ‘There is no compulsion in religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.’
- Surah Al-Mumtahanah (60:8): ‘Allah does not forbid you from being good and just to those who have not fought you because of your religion or expelled you from your homes. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.’
- Surah Al-Anbiya (21:87): (Story of Yunus (AS)) : "And [mention] the man of the fish (Prophet Yunus), when he went off in anger and thought that We would not decree anything upon him. And he called out within the darkness, 'There is no deity except You; exalted are You. Indeed, I have been of the wrongdoers.' So We responded to him and saved him from the distress. And thus do We save the believers."
Prophet Yunus (AS) left his people in frustration, but the verse teaches the lesson that acting hastily in anger can lead to regret.
Such teachings are clear: anger and violence are not the Qur’anic way.
However, when people witness their faith being insulted, some unfortunately let emotions override the principles of their religion. It’s human, but not justified.
If someone burns a sacred book, it may be deeply offensive, but the Qur'an advises believers to walk away from ignorance:
- Surah Al-Furqan (25:63): ‘And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth humbly, and when the ignorant address them harshly, they say, "Peace."’
I hope we can agree that judging an entire faith or community by the worst actions of some individuals is unfair. People of every belief system have their share of wrongdoers. The true test is whether we choose to perpetuate hatred or seek understanding.
It’s also important to note that many of these incidents happen due to failures in law enforcement or state policies rather than religious teachings. Every country has its own laws regarding freedom of expression, hate speech, and religious protection:
- United Kingdom: The UK has laws under the Public Order Act 1986 prohibiting hate speech and incitement to violence, but incidents like those you mentioned often stem from gaps in enforcement rather than lack of laws.
- Sweden: Sweden upholds freedom of expression but does not criminalize the burning of religious texts unless it directly incites violence or hatred. This legal gap is why incidents of Qur’an burning have occurred, despite condemnation from religious communities.
- France: Strong secularism laws (Laïcité) aim to separate religion from the state, but they sometimes lead to tension when religious sensitivities are not respected, such as in the case of cartoons.
The problem is not faith but the failure of laws and systems to promote justice and tolerance. The Qur'an itself condemns vigilantism:
- Surah An-Nisa (4:135): ‘O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents or relatives.’
So, while these incidents are tragic, they do not represent Islam, Christianity, or any religion—they represent human error and weak governance.
Lastly, I’d say that you read the Qur’an directly, even just a few chapters. It’s always best to know what something truly says rather than what others say about it.”
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since the topic is under discussion, could u guys go to this debate n vote?
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@Best.Korea
Migrants are poisoning the blood of our country with their honest work and humble decent lifestyle. We should only accept rich migrants who are greedy and corrupt like us.
"So, greed and corruption are virtues now? Strange how honesty and hard work became threats—unless, of course, corruption is the system’s real currency."
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@RemyBrown
undocumented ones should be given rights, thou the govt. should do their homework on em, u can't let terrorists roaming ya streets.
cz most of the the undocuented ones migrate as they r hvin a hard time, so as humans n while keeping some morals under consideration, it won't be bad to help them.
besides they do tend to work much better sometimes than the natives. so it would be unjust to set them aside.
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@Best.Korea
Thats true. I havent met most of muslim people, but the ones who wanted to beat me up for mocking Quran didnt exactly set up a good introduction.
well dear, if sm1 tries to mock ur faith n ur belief then the anger can be understood, thou that isn't the way one must deal with such stuff, even quran doesn't agree with anger at certain points, in fact it encourages to stay away from it.
n yes subjugation is not really the way, idk what those ppl u met did, but that's not what their religion says.
Here is what Hitler thinks of islam:"*Scowls, a vein throbbing in his temples as he contemplates the mention of Islam.* Islam... a plague upon our world, an insidious force that seeks to poison the bloodstream of Western civilization with its fanatical hatred and backward notions. These Muslims, with their dark, swarthy complexions and uncouth customs, are an affront to the grandeur of the white race. *He spits the words out with contempt.* Their vile Koran is a book of savagery and intolerance, preaching the subjugation of all who are not Muslim."
different ppl hv different thoughts bout different things, n not evry1 is right, y'know
Hitler probably had some plans to convert muslims to true religion, such as that of Valhalla.
we don't know for sure, so nothing can be said.
Their vile Koran is a book of savagery and intolerance, preaching the subjugation of all who are not Muslim."
have u read it once? by urself?
n how can u say that it preaches subjugation?
non-muslims are given their rights if they r living in a muslim country
the muslims r taught to stay on good terms with them.
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256):"There is no compulsion in religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong."
then how come subjugation?
if u read it, then u will get to know what it says.
just for ref.Surah Al-Mumtahanah (60:8): "Allah does not forbid you from being good and just to those who have not fought you because of your religion or expelled you from your homes. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." meaning that if non-muslims don't fight u or anything, then be kind.
it says clearly.
because ur experience didn't go well, doesn't necessarily mean that evry single thing related to em is bad. ppl can be somewhat strange, if a kid behaves bad, that doesn't mean it's supposed to be his parents' fault. certain factors might be the rzn as well.
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guyssss
it ain't that complex, the more u think of something, the weirder it gets.
for instance, if u keep on saying a single word on n on, let it be any, then after 2 or 3 minutes, u will feel like u r saying such a weird n awful thing.
that's how it goes. U, me n the rest of the WORLD does exist, but we don't truly know who is living. our main thing should be living itself, since many exist but not evry1 lives./
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@Shila
ah , yes
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@Shila
i guess it did work but there r still ppl who uh, well hv their view quite clear.
faith is a thing that exists as well.
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@Best.Korea
idk if u r angry more on the US or Muslims, but if the ppl u met weren't good, doesn't necessarily mean all of em r like that!
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@Best.Korea
Okay, muslims are mostly dumb degenerates. They dont even have values because almost every muslim country on Earth bends over to USA and doesnt even follow its own religion anymore but accepts western values.But Talibans are different.Soviets wanted to conquer Afghanistan and Talibans kicked their ass so hard that it was the first time in history that a literal world superpower was running away in fear from a poor Taliban country which was over 20 times smaller than it.Then Americans thought they will do better so they attacked Talibans too. Americans spent 20 years fighting the Talibans, then Americans also ran away in fear and the government they installed was defeated by Talibans in 3 days.Afghanistan is literally modern Sparta. These guys defeated 2 strongest superpowers in history. These guys dont let other countries boss them. They have their own values and stick to them. They have some of the highest birth rates in the world so no country can win a long term war against them because all lost soldiers are quickly replaced.So I cant hate Talibans. Even if I disagree with their religion and way of life, I have to admit that defeating two strongest superpowers in history in 40 years time and making them run away in fear is a very rare achievement.
well dude, i get what u say, but y'know not everyone is like that, you don't know how many Muslims are out there who actually wanna do something, but they can't. well why not? just cz of some corrupt leaders. Talibans have a strong hold over their faith. That's why they succeed.
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@Shila
n yes it does use different terms.
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@Shila
AI will use different algorithms than the Catholic Church
most of the gpts are US made, so a high probability that they do promote christianity.<maybe> just talkin bout a possibility.....
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@Best.Korea
but dude, do u know the movie name, those ppl were talkin' bout?
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@zedvictor4
We are an ongoing but temporary bundle of electro-chemical reactions, that thinks it exists, and has the simulation to prove it.I think therefore I am.
oh, <Cogito, ergo sum> eh?
well, u r correct.
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@zedvictor4
They're certainly a big influence.
yes, a very big influence.
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@Shila
Americans see all slaves as one colour. That makes them colourblind.
dude that's a real good point!
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@Shila
You are a good Trump predictor.
oh i didn't know that, i sorta said what came to me.
ig u hv somewhat, the same thoughts?
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@IlDiavolo
None of these asteroids you mentioned made the UN activate the asteroid protocol to avoid possible collisions. So, it's something serious.Still, I'm positive about it and nothing will happen at the end as you say.
hehe, yeah that does happen, i mean the only thing that happens is that nothing happens.
but well, if it's actually serious, then, i'll look it up n inform u guys.
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@Best.Korea
Isnt that like, super difficult?
maybe but that's why i'm gonna do it ig
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@IlDiavolo
An asteroid heading the earth raised alarms among scientists, even though there is a low chance of happening (99%).I don’t know about you but there has been a lot of speculation about it long time ago because it's part of several prophesies.As a matter of fact, it is said that the last human civilization, long before the sumerian and egyptian, was wiped out by an asteroid that caused a flood all over the earth (the story of Noah). This asteroid was sent by the aliens in order to reset the planet since the human being got involved in henious wars that included the usage of weapons of mass destruction.Do you think the history will repeat itself?
it would seem like a birthday gift for me,
anyways in the past there hv been many instances where scientists said stuff that didn't really go good
asteroid 99942 Apophis was once thought to pose a significant threat, but further tracking ruled out any imminent impact.
Asteroid 1997 XF11 (Predicted Impact: 2028)
Initially, scientists believed it had a chance to hit Earth in 2028.
Later observations corrected its orbit, showing it would miss Earth by about 600,000 miles.
Asteroid 2002 NT7 (Predicted Impact: 2019)
- Early data suggested a possible impact on February 1, 2019.
- Further calculations eliminated the risk within days.
Asteroid 2012 DA14 (Predicted Impact: 2013)
- This asteroid passed just 17,200 miles from Earth, closer than some satellites, but there was no impact.
Asteroid 99942 Apophis (Predicted Impact: 2029/2036)
- Scientists were once concerned about a possible collision in 2029 or 2036.
- Later tracking ruled out any danger for the next 100 years.
Asteroid 2011 AG5 (Predicted Impact: 2040)
- Initially flagged as a threat.
- In 2013, observations from Hawaii ruled out any chance of impact.
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@Shila
Shila made him correct his mistake.
You r doin it real gud.
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@Math_Enthusiast
A few questions to ponder and discuss:
- Does the past exist?
- Does the future exist?
- Do abstractions exist?
- Do thoughts exist?
- If something will never be observed, does it exist?
- If you have heard that something has been observed, but never observe it yourself, does it exist?
as long as we exist, i believe it all will exist, until the promised day. there will be existence onwards but things might be different.
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@Shila
Slavery helps Americans to remain colourblind.
WELL, we can agree to that.
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@Outplayz
Hey, I'm Vi
Pre-med college student chasing dreams with a scalpel and a spark. A total geek for art, music, literature, writing, singing, history, philosophy, tech, fiction, fantasy, science, and nature—if it’s fascinating, I’m in. Why neurosurgery? Honestly, my friend suggested it, and since it’s one of the most respected fields, I thought—why not aim for something epic? Who am I? Crazy, savage, moody, attituded, but also a good listener, kind, chill, lovable, fun, and darksided. A chaotic blend of all vibes.
Optimist, realist, and chaotic dreamer—yup, all at once. I don't follow philosophies; I create my own. Labels like MBTI can’t define me, and astrology? Nah, not my thing. Passions? Learning everything that sparks my soul—tech, hacking, music, singing, dancing, painting, arts, crafts, you name it.
My life’s soundtrack? Every genre, every mood. My aesthetic? All vibes, all shades. Oh, and guilty pleasure? Wasting time—proudly.
My motto: I’ll make as many people laugh as I can so I have a hell lot of people crying on my departure. This is me—Vi. Ready to conquer, create, and vibe through life.
Outplayz: Nice new avatar. I can't count how many times i've been him for Halloween. Plus, it's the only movie that makes me cry every time i watch it alone. Best movie ever if you ask me.
what movie is that exactly? I mean name?
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actually, behind all this US propaganda are the jews, that's what I've known so far...........
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@zedvictor4
haha, that's true. well the pentagon n all that need sm1 who can carry out their jobs..............
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@Shila
yeah u could say that
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@zedvictor4
that might work, but well the new better be better, what if an even more old punk comes out?[lol]
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@Shila
US n russia ain't pals y'know, all these ppl are just workin out ways for themselves, possible that trump might ask for somethin in exchange for what he gives vladimir, so if trump is thinkin of actually negotiating, he might just try to create a scenario where it feels like all's settled but who's gonna give up their land? since trump doesn't wanna give that, ''we're weak'' look so he'll just try, but whatever he does won't be much of a solution ig, it might even turn out more bad than it already is.
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