I literally have a video of me reading the whole debate out loud, looking at your source, reading the source, and then saying how I found it wrong, attached to the vote itself. You're just wrong and got called out for a bad framing of information. I didn't expect it to be this big of a deal considering you won by my vote.
I'll make it very simple for you
One of your sources says that not eating meat leads to more strokes due to the deficiencies of micronutrients that cannot be corrected by that person.
The other source claims that people who follow a veg/vegan diet reduces the risk for multiple conditions (including strokes).
Both simultaneously cannot be true. Unless you would mention something along the lines of "one group was on supplements and the other was not", it invalidates the frame you're presenting.
If you would have framed the source correctly by stating other factors effecting the study to attempt to explain the contradiction, I wouldn't have awarded the points to Con. But, you didn't. Look at your sources next time or actually write a better citation. Jesus.
Eating meat causes these diseases---> these diseases harm us ----> vegan/vegetarianism has us abstain from meat ---> therefore, vegan/vegetarianism reduces the chance of this disease. (The disease being strokes in this case)
You used the other source to promote this logic:
Eating meat causes a build up of cholesterol that leads to coronary artery disease ----> vegetarianism/veganism reduces the rate of coronary artery disease but increases the rate of strokes ----> more detrimental effects were seen due to eating meat overall due to these conditions ---> therefore, the increased risk for stroke is the healthier option for vegetarianism/veganism compared to eating meat and coronary artery disease.
It's a contradiction which invalidates one of your sources, since if we assume that the way you frame the sources is true, they have conflicting claims. It points out a common deficiency CAUSED by not consuming meat regularly (B12). If we really want to get anal about it, you also misrepresent the source as it clearly lists other factors in addition to meat for the study, such as weight and calories, which would further invalidate the framing. It was a mistake to include the two sources together in the same argument.
Apart from vastly being imperative towards the health and wellness of individuals, the reduction in severe medical emergencies likely comes with prospective savings in the medical field. Mayo Clinic also confirms what we would expect of the converse research shows that "people who eat red meat are at a higher risk of death from heart disease, stroke or diabetes. Processed meats also make the risk of death from these diseases go up."
^ Allusion that veg/vegan diets would bring down strokes
This is extensive to the point that one of the key measures we can take to reduce large-scale impositions of global suffering from pandemics and animal-borne diseases is reducing our demand for and consumption of meat products. There are several imperative health benefits to veganism or vegetarianism. Some studies reported upon by BBC for example found that people who eat vegan and vegetarian diets "have a lower risk of heart disease, but a higher risk of stroke, possibly partly due to a lack of B12" and further that "those who didn't eat meat had 10 fewer cases of heart disease and three more strokes per 1,000 people compared with the meat-eaters."
Yeah but that would require me to put the video through my Sony Vegas and go frame by frame wherever I find their name, essentially needing to rewatch the video which could be an hour long. At that point, I'd rather not.
One source claimed that strokes were reduced while another claimed that strokes increased due to a veg/vegan diet. It could be argued that the source that claimed veganism limited strokes didn't isolate the variable (as they stated other factors like calories and weight). However, it was not represented as such in your argument, which made me need to award sources to Con as he did use his sources more effectively and did provide high quality sources like yours as well.
BROTHER D THOMAS, oh true Christian amongst men, how we have much to learn from your inspired words. My heart is in tears as I read your godly message about how to spank my wife in the most holy and divinely inspired way. I have much to learn on the art of spanking, although I am passionate about doing the Lord's work. This will take time for my pseudo-christian beginning believer hands to become hard as steel as I steal some spanks from the divine power of the angels.
These holy strokes must be upheld so my biblically accurate second class (may God forgive me for uttering this word) woman (ew) can be moral in the eyes of our savior. It is my righteous duty to leave marks in the holy kinky time that is my punishment and true divine sado-masochist sex- I mean procreation session where I will swear I will not use any type of birth control as the Lord intended. Thank you for opening my eyes to this divine wisdom, dear Brother.
With this advice, she can finally make me my biblically accurate protein shakes and perhaps even angel hair angel inspired pasta from the Pope himself. If only a (and God forgive me once again for uttering this word) woman (disgusting) didn't need to touch it. Alas, my manly believer hands know not how to successfully cook and broil my noodles in the hot water. My inferior biblically accurate second class being must perform the lowly task of preparing my food for me.
The aluminum foiled hat shaped into the word "heretic" for my lack of true Bible knowledge like our Brother Thomas will be removed as I prostrate before the Lord to bless my sex- procreation session with my second class being so that her (Ew) evil may be cleansed.
You have enlightened me, oh great preacher and brother in arms, legs, and whatever other appendages. I must strengthen my tone and, as the kids say, "ready the pimp hand" to ensure my second class vessel is dealt with. This heinous (God forgive me for uttering this word) woman cannot handle her own sock washing without my big strong manly believer muscles. I will stop being a "candy ass" and instead make my ass out of something harder, like steel. From now on, I am steel ass, who likes to steal ass. Brother Thomas, with thy divine wisdom, how am I to discipline my wife if she does not feel like making me my holy chicken nuggies and biblically accurate protein shakes?
Oh save it, we all know you're just using this for your own desire for superiority. Complaining that you're just so good and so concerned about truth makes you look pathetic.
Could you do me a favor and vote on this debate please? This guy has been trolling on my other debate, I didn't think he'd follow me. I'd rather an unbiased person vote here.
I may be willing to debate this in the position of the affirmative if the topic would be more specific. IE, in a specific country or region of the world, and the topic is narrowed in to put male privilege in comparison to female privilege.
"Muslims are much more likely to dox the anti-Muslim and threaten via YT.
YT is heavily poi Islam with their comments sections able to censor anything against the faith as islamophobic.
The main part of Islam YT bans is the LGBTphobia"
Yeah I agree, but it's their choice.
Thanks prez!
That's unfortunate, but you're right
I literally have a video of me reading the whole debate out loud, looking at your source, reading the source, and then saying how I found it wrong, attached to the vote itself. You're just wrong and got called out for a bad framing of information. I didn't expect it to be this big of a deal considering you won by my vote.
I'll make it very simple for you
One of your sources says that not eating meat leads to more strokes due to the deficiencies of micronutrients that cannot be corrected by that person.
The other source claims that people who follow a veg/vegan diet reduces the risk for multiple conditions (including strokes).
Both simultaneously cannot be true. Unless you would mention something along the lines of "one group was on supplements and the other was not", it invalidates the frame you're presenting.
If you would have framed the source correctly by stating other factors effecting the study to attempt to explain the contradiction, I wouldn't have awarded the points to Con. But, you didn't. Look at your sources next time or actually write a better citation. Jesus.
The claim follows this logic
Eating meat causes these diseases---> these diseases harm us ----> vegan/vegetarianism has us abstain from meat ---> therefore, vegan/vegetarianism reduces the chance of this disease. (The disease being strokes in this case)
You used the other source to promote this logic:
Eating meat causes a build up of cholesterol that leads to coronary artery disease ----> vegetarianism/veganism reduces the rate of coronary artery disease but increases the rate of strokes ----> more detrimental effects were seen due to eating meat overall due to these conditions ---> therefore, the increased risk for stroke is the healthier option for vegetarianism/veganism compared to eating meat and coronary artery disease.
It's a contradiction which invalidates one of your sources, since if we assume that the way you frame the sources is true, they have conflicting claims. It points out a common deficiency CAUSED by not consuming meat regularly (B12). If we really want to get anal about it, you also misrepresent the source as it clearly lists other factors in addition to meat for the study, such as weight and calories, which would further invalidate the framing. It was a mistake to include the two sources together in the same argument.
Ah, I didn't know that. My mistake then!
Definitely will vote on this one eventually. Glad to see a based topic like this.
Just ping me in any other debate you want me to judge and I will.
Aw thank you I appreciate that man
Forgot to ping you
Apart from vastly being imperative towards the health and wellness of individuals, the reduction in severe medical emergencies likely comes with prospective savings in the medical field. Mayo Clinic also confirms what we would expect of the converse research shows that "people who eat red meat are at a higher risk of death from heart disease, stroke or diabetes. Processed meats also make the risk of death from these diseases go up."
^ Allusion that veg/vegan diets would bring down strokes
This is extensive to the point that one of the key measures we can take to reduce large-scale impositions of global suffering from pandemics and animal-borne diseases is reducing our demand for and consumption of meat products. There are several imperative health benefits to veganism or vegetarianism. Some studies reported upon by BBC for example found that people who eat vegan and vegetarian diets "have a lower risk of heart disease, but a higher risk of stroke, possibly partly due to a lack of B12" and further that "those who didn't eat meat had 10 fewer cases of heart disease and three more strokes per 1,000 people compared with the meat-eaters."
^ Contradictory implication
I have submitted my vote. Let me know if you have any questions.
Thank you, I may give that a look
Yeah but that would require me to put the video through my Sony Vegas and go frame by frame wherever I find their name, essentially needing to rewatch the video which could be an hour long. At that point, I'd rather not.
Gotcha. If that's the case, my OBS recordings would probably reveal usernames so it would be better if I abstained from voting then.
How come?
Haha well I am just cool like that
One source claimed that strokes were reduced while another claimed that strokes increased due to a veg/vegan diet. It could be argued that the source that claimed veganism limited strokes didn't isolate the variable (as they stated other factors like calories and weight). However, it was not represented as such in your argument, which made me need to award sources to Con as he did use his sources more effectively and did provide high quality sources like yours as well.
I'll probably just make a YouTube video of it
The tension between you two can be cut with a knife XD
I will probably vote on this today or tomorrow.
I submitted my vote.
Will vote on this tomorrow
Subscribed to vote on it
Following this to eventually be a judge
BROTHER D THOMAS, oh true Christian amongst men, how we have much to learn from your inspired words. My heart is in tears as I read your godly message about how to spank my wife in the most holy and divinely inspired way. I have much to learn on the art of spanking, although I am passionate about doing the Lord's work. This will take time for my pseudo-christian beginning believer hands to become hard as steel as I steal some spanks from the divine power of the angels.
These holy strokes must be upheld so my biblically accurate second class (may God forgive me for uttering this word) woman (ew) can be moral in the eyes of our savior. It is my righteous duty to leave marks in the holy kinky time that is my punishment and true divine sado-masochist sex- I mean procreation session where I will swear I will not use any type of birth control as the Lord intended. Thank you for opening my eyes to this divine wisdom, dear Brother.
With this advice, she can finally make me my biblically accurate protein shakes and perhaps even angel hair angel inspired pasta from the Pope himself. If only a (and God forgive me once again for uttering this word) woman (disgusting) didn't need to touch it. Alas, my manly believer hands know not how to successfully cook and broil my noodles in the hot water. My inferior biblically accurate second class being must perform the lowly task of preparing my food for me.
The aluminum foiled hat shaped into the word "heretic" for my lack of true Bible knowledge like our Brother Thomas will be removed as I prostrate before the Lord to bless my sex- procreation session with my second class being so that her (Ew) evil may be cleansed.
You have enlightened me, oh great preacher and brother in arms, legs, and whatever other appendages. I must strengthen my tone and, as the kids say, "ready the pimp hand" to ensure my second class vessel is dealt with. This heinous (God forgive me for uttering this word) woman cannot handle her own sock washing without my big strong manly believer muscles. I will stop being a "candy ass" and instead make my ass out of something harder, like steel. From now on, I am steel ass, who likes to steal ass. Brother Thomas, with thy divine wisdom, how am I to discipline my wife if she does not feel like making me my holy chicken nuggies and biblically accurate protein shakes?
I am kinda hungry so you may have a good point, how does one properly tell her to get in the kitchen, Brother Thomas?
Oh save it, we all know you're just using this for your own desire for superiority. Complaining that you're just so good and so concerned about truth makes you look pathetic.
Good old superiority complex
Thanks for the vote! Could you give an RFD?
"Since that is your wife in your pictured moniker, she’s cute even with a mask on, nonetheless, "
By the way, thanks for calling my wife cute
I will vote on this when I get voting privileges.
I will follow this debate and vote when I get voting privileges.
It's alright, I look forward to your vote!
Thank you, I appreciate it
Could you do me a favor and vote on this debate please? This guy has been trolling on my other debate, I didn't think he'd follow me. I'd rather an unbiased person vote here.
Oh great, I got vote bombed by the same troll from my other debate.
This will be interesting. I will keep an eye on this.
Based
I may be willing to debate this in the position of the affirmative if the topic would be more specific. IE, in a specific country or region of the world, and the topic is narrowed in to put male privilege in comparison to female privilege.
I actually wish that this site had a video or live-stream debate option. I would prefer that over text.
Apparently my sources didn't copy from my google doc, I will post them here.
Sources:
1. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/why-is-religion-so-important-in-culture.html
2. https://klrn.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/sj14-soc-religmap/world-religions-map/
3. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/
4. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/time-rethink-christmas-half-country-25636402
5. https://christmasdecember25.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/third-verse-jesus-date-of-birth-when-mary-get-pregnant/