I understand that you have more than one issue. I think we should go one at a time as that will give us a greater focus on each issue.
Let's go over the Voter Suggestions thing first.
Pictures are not contained within the DebateArt.com website either. However, I strongly doubt that you'll see a moderator go after you for including one. Just because something is not explicitly sanctioned within the guidelines does not mean it's banned.
I've alerted a moderator (blamonkey) and I believe christopher_best moderates too. I ask them here: is it prohibited to include Voting Suggestions in debates?
Also I guess you made a claim about Voter Suggestions being invalid. We could start with that too, but let's do it one at a time; this is getting too big for us to do all three at once. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is all just nonsense though.
Wait, are you talking about me sourcing claims I made in the comments, or are you talking about the fact that I referenced an earlier debate in the debate arguments?
"The only documents outside of DA debate that are acceptable are sources"
Source? And you're also assuming that Voter Suggestions are by default against DA. You haven't proved this.
" That includes your reference in your r4 to a prior debate of mine, which was not even within that debate, but in comments. Comments are outside debate parameters. That's not an acceptable reference, either within the debate arguments."
Why not? You called me prideful, arrogant, and border-line vote rigging for claiming that an argument wins a debate, and I showed that you had a precedent for this behavior, making you the common denominator, not me. You reap what you sow.
"You're not sourcing by voter suggestions,"
I don't have to - the evidence for it lies within the debate. Why is this relevant?
"and you did not use your docs within the debate arguments as sources"
They are sources because I linked them. It saves space. Why is this relevant?
I'd recommend that you debate to win, not to be right. That way you can go back on your positions without having to concede debates; many people change their minds on something after they debate it and that doesn't mean they lose. Debates end with the final round. :)
Voting Suggestions are a traditional part of debate protocol (http://tiny.cc/DebateArt). The most basic online debate guides, listed before and created by experienced debaters, show you how to appeal to your audience. I
Addressing what you said earlier: Using the Bible as a source on a debate over BIBLICAL Sins is hardly assuming it to be true. We're using the Bible to debate over what's in the Bible. Nothing outside of that.
I understand that it's a fact, but it seemed like he was using it in an insulting way. i.e. if someone comes up to you and says "oh so this white guy's gonna accept the debate"
I would encourage you both to PM me about my vote if there are any good faith questions/comments. Sorry for my rushed and unorganized writing in my vote.
Open voting isn't the best choice considering how the majority of people who vote on battle rap debates know jack shit about rap. I'd be happy to be a judge for this one.
From a glance it doesn't seem like Speedrace's advantage is fair here given that Ethan G's vote fails to address conduct which is necessary in this case due to the forfeit.
Reminder that since you haven't contested the structure you should rebut my opening case in R3 and nothing more. Don't worry about what I just posted until next round.
Do you understand how debates work? I asked for a week to argue because I needed a week to construct a good case and you said yes to that - I'm very busy this week and will need every minute of that time.
I have 0 intention of forfeiting, be patient. Debates aren't about making quick arguments, they're about making good ones.
I understand that you have more than one issue. I think we should go one at a time as that will give us a greater focus on each issue.
Let's go over the Voter Suggestions thing first.
Pictures are not contained within the DebateArt.com website either. However, I strongly doubt that you'll see a moderator go after you for including one. Just because something is not explicitly sanctioned within the guidelines does not mean it's banned.
I've alerted a moderator (blamonkey) and I believe christopher_best moderates too. I ask them here: is it prohibited to include Voting Suggestions in debates?
Also I guess you made a claim about Voter Suggestions being invalid. We could start with that too, but let's do it one at a time; this is getting too big for us to do all three at once. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is all just nonsense though.
I await your clarification.
If both, which one would you like to go over first?
Wait, are you talking about me sourcing claims I made in the comments, or are you talking about the fact that I referenced an earlier debate in the debate arguments?
"The only documents outside of DA debate that are acceptable are sources"
Source? And you're also assuming that Voter Suggestions are by default against DA. You haven't proved this.
" That includes your reference in your r4 to a prior debate of mine, which was not even within that debate, but in comments. Comments are outside debate parameters. That's not an acceptable reference, either within the debate arguments."
Why not? You called me prideful, arrogant, and border-line vote rigging for claiming that an argument wins a debate, and I showed that you had a precedent for this behavior, making you the common denominator, not me. You reap what you sow.
"You're not sourcing by voter suggestions,"
I don't have to - the evidence for it lies within the debate. Why is this relevant?
"and you did not use your docs within the debate arguments as sources"
They are sources because I linked them. It saves space. Why is this relevant?
I think you have some hostility towards me and I don't know why. Oh well. Hopefully, relations will improve in the future.
Wait, where did DART Prohibit Voting Suggestions?
I'm referring to how Voting Suggestions are a normal part of debate, and thus aren't bad conduct like you say.
I'd recommend that you debate to win, not to be right. That way you can go back on your positions without having to concede debates; many people change their minds on something after they debate it and that doesn't mean they lose. Debates end with the final round. :)
Convincing voters to vote for you in a debate is the point of a debate. Voting Suggestions/Crystallization simply makes it more clear.
http://debate-central.ncpathinktank.org/important-terms-in-lincoln-douglas-debate/#:~:text=Crystallize%3A%20Debaters%20generally%20crystallize%20the%20debate%20in%20their,the%20debate%20to%20provide%20support%20for%20an%20argument.
Voting Suggestions are a traditional part of debate protocol (http://tiny.cc/DebateArt). The most basic online debate guides, listed before and created by experienced debaters, show you how to appeal to your audience. I
Addressing what you said earlier: Using the Bible as a source on a debate over BIBLICAL Sins is hardly assuming it to be true. We're using the Bible to debate over what's in the Bible. Nothing outside of that.
I could've but I decided against it in the end.
As far as I know he did not state this.
Where'd you say that? Lol
Fair enough.
Why do voters vote based on a concession even if the contender rejected it?
Serious and relevent topic... I'd say given the size of it that it deserves a little more than 10k characters.
No problem. Typing up an R2 rebuttal on our debate right now haha
Where's the hot debates list?
I'll accept if you allow me to run a kritik of the resolution. I'd feel like I ruined your debate if I ran a kritik without your permission.
Yeah I thought so too.
Exactly
ok now THIS is epic
ur good
Ah ok.
The great Oromagi himself is down by one :O
I understand that it's a fact, but it seemed like he was using it in an insulting way. i.e. if someone comes up to you and says "oh so this white guy's gonna accept the debate"
I mean you called him an "old man" lmfao
Not his fault. You made the debate + the truism.
Reminds me of that horrible article that they published in the atlantic
hol up
Don't give the other side arguments during a debate
I would encourage you both to PM me about my vote if there are any good faith questions/comments. Sorry for my rushed and unorganized writing in my vote.
Thanks for the vote supa
I'm not going to accept this but I'd strongly recommend that you don't insult your opponent in your debate this time.
Thank you for voting on this!
Thank you for voting!
Thanks to all voters!
Welp it may be too late now. I'll be sure to vote on this one though.
Open voting isn't the best choice considering how the majority of people who vote on battle rap debates know jack shit about rap. I'd be happy to be a judge for this one.
How are the args coming? Idk if you read your pms
u runnin outta time!
From a glance it doesn't seem like Speedrace's advantage is fair here given that Ethan G's vote fails to address conduct which is necessary in this case due to the forfeit.
Reminder that since you haven't contested the structure you should rebut my opening case in R3 and nothing more. Don't worry about what I just posted until next round.
Playing pro-choice devil's advocate in this debate has really helped me realize how crappy the pro-choice arguments are.
Almost thereeeee
Yep. I'm going to try to finish my case tonight.
Do you understand how debates work? I asked for a week to argue because I needed a week to construct a good case and you said yes to that - I'm very busy this week and will need every minute of that time.
I have 0 intention of forfeiting, be patient. Debates aren't about making quick arguments, they're about making good ones.
Do you support abortion in the case of rape, incest, or danger to the mother's life?
yep gimme 1 day. Like I said I need time.
A glitch? Didn't you challenge me and delete it?