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@ethang5
Well, I am in great awe of Godwin since his standards must be so high he has never ever answered one single prayer.Godwin has standards that affect whether he answers prayer and how he answers.
But what does disappoint me is that it appears Godwin's standards may be a tad too high since he doesn't even stoop down low enough to answer the prayers from thousands of parents in impoverished countries around the world where children die by the thousands every day.
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@ethang5
But obviously not this one.How many replies are most of your threads?
I trust that you do realise that whilst flippancy can be a useful tool in loosening the mood, this is a very serious topic.
It would be fair to say that thousands of innocent children die needlessly because their parents believed that prayer rather than medicine would cure them.
These religious die-hards shun medicine out of spite because science has completely turned their belief system upside down and exposed religion for what it is; a complete fraud.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
"Go to ( settings )
Then ( writing styles )
Scroll down to and, un click ( Scripture format )"
And while he is at it he would do well to unclick:
* the offensiveness format
* the lying format
* the deceitfulness format
* the ultimate reality format
* the truth format
* the stupidity format
* the bigotry format
* the hatred format
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How many scientific facts have ever been disproven using religion?
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@ethang5
Whether it's weird or not, who cares.
The fact is that anal-retentive snothead keeps on being highly abusive and bigoted and you are trying to shoot the messenger for exposing such a repulsive example of humanity at its worst.
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@ethang5
And it seems neither will you. God's excuse is His being imaginary. What's yours Sal?
While you've been attempting to doxx me through the email address I sent you, the God you called imaginary has helped several little children in Ghana.
Thank goodness He isn't as real at you.
As it happens, the bank you stated was not listed as an option.
I will try again and email, but I certainly have no intention of reneging.
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@Mopac
The question is though, will you ever abandon your bigotry and hatred.I will never abandon my faith, you would have to kill me.
And, before you start flying off on another one of your hate-filled tangents as quoted in post #33 let's just establish the facts once again that have been well and truly proven.
Yes, you are extremely bigoted and:
Yes, you are extremely hateful.
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@Vader
Report Salixes for hate speech
Perhaps you may like to expand on your erroneous observation that I was delivering hate speech.
Exposing the bigotry, hatred and ugly, unjustified and unqualified accusations made by others is hardly hate speech, is it?
I mean...come on now:
"You are effectively wishing death on me. There is no love in that.
and:
"Militant atheistic communism."
and:
"I think you are an asshole, but I respect your right to be an asshole."
and
"YOU should be silenced."
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"...makes it clear who is truly being evil."
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"You are fully within your rights to be a hypocritical bigot"
Would you like me to list a dozen more examples in order to qualify my point?
Because there are hundreds of more examples of unmitigated hate speech where that crap came from.
And you have the nerve to make an unjustified sneering remark about me daring to stand up to that sort of filth?
Huh, pull the other one.
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@Mopac
You are effectively wishing death on me. There is no love in that.
Well, it was so lovely of you to resort to using the guilt trip tactic, wasn't it?
I can tell you right now that everything will be alright if you give up your ugly, nasty habits....you will not die, trust me.
In fact, you will be far better off releasing the shackles of having an imaginary friend constantly whispering sweet nothing pieces of crap in your ear.
You will feel free to think, and no; your brain will not explode from having too many ideas running around it.
Your confidence at work will suddenly grow. No longer will you be left wondering why all your colleagues gathered around the water cooler suddenly go quiet and look at the ceiling each time you go past.
Now, when you walk past the water cooler just look at them and shout out loud and resoundingly, "Fu*k God, oh, yeah!!
You will be the most popular guy in the office and you won't have to go to that stupid monastery on the hill, constantly looking over your shoulder.
You have been warned.
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@Mopac
You aren't saying anything.
I am making a clear, cutting remark to the effect that if Christians blatantly and arrogantly do not care for:
gays
or
or
abortionists
or
assisted death advocates
or
unmarried mothers
or
assisted death advocates
or
unmarried mothers
or
unmarried couples
or
people of other faiths
or
or
people of other faiths
or
medical practitioners
or
atheists
or
scientists
atheists
or
scientists
or
anybody who dares question their stupidity
or
just about anybody and everybody else who does not belong to their in crowd
anybody who dares question their stupidity
or
just about anybody and everybody else who does not belong to their in crowd
......why should decent, honest, civilised society ever give a stuff for them?
Have I said something now?
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@Mopac
If you don't hate Christians, how come you won't believe when you are told that your beliefs concerning us are false?
Because, my beliefs concerning people of your ilk are not false.
It is simply not good enough for you to make a claim that somebody's beliefs are false especially when you know that somebody has done extensive research and fully and carefully justified his belief.
You are certainly living up to your cult's reputation of being ignorant, arrogant, lying and evil.
Is it that there is not an honest bone in your body that makes you come out with such unwarranted, nonsense claims against others?
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@Alec
Well said.I asked one of them what they thought was free speech if they thought being pro life was hate speech.
To some, free speech constitutes what they think should be so and condemn other people's (legal) right to free speech if it is not compatible with their own self-centered bitter hatred.
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@Dr.Franklin
Why do you hate Christians?
I'm glad you asked that because I simply give my standard answer, the same as what Christians do when asked:
"why do you hate gays".
or
"why do you hate abortionists"
or
"why do you hate assisted death advocates"
or
"why do you hate unmarried mothers"
or
"why do you hate assisted death advocates"
or
"why do you hate unmarried mothers"
or
"why do you hate unmarried couples"
or
"why do you hate people of other faiths"
or
or
"why do you hate people of other faiths"
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"why do you hate medical practitioners"
or
"why do you hate atheists"
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"why do you hate scientists"
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"why do you hate Christians from other denominations"
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"why do you hate anybody who dares question your stupidity"
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"why do you hate just about anybody and everybody else who does not belong to your in crowd"
So, deservedly so, I give them back a dose of their own medicine and see how they like it:
"why do you hate atheists"
or
"why do you hate scientists"
or
"why do you hate Christians from other denominations"
or
"why do you hate anybody who dares question your stupidity"
or
"why do you hate just about anybody and everybody else who does not belong to your in crowd"
So, deservedly so, I give them back a dose of their own medicine and see how they like it:
"I don't hate Christians, in fact, I love them. I just hate what they do"
You see, Christians seem to have registered copyright on the word "hate".
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@Mopac
The church does not incite hatred and bigotry, these are baseless and offensive accusations.
They are not baseless and offensive accusations.
They are facts properly supported by evidence, proof, and reason. Facts that have not been refuted as per my posts in this forum as you very well know.
The claim that you made right here is baseless and, well maybe not offensive, but certainly flippant and stupid.
You should make an effort to think about what you say.
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You stuck your foot in that one.The only atheist argument is to make God something that God isn't.
Atheists don't need to make God something that God isn't because God isn't anyway.
Like, derrrrrrrrrr!
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@oromagi
No, never. A democratic society cannot ban expressions of personal belief. When it tries, it ceases to be a democratic society.
A democratic society can ban expressions of belief, especially if society at large calls for the banning.
Church groups can cry and carry on (as they do) about their rights but what about the rights of society at large getting totally sick and tired of the hypocricy, bigotry, incitement of hatred, corruption, lying, deceit and abuse that are rife within Church Organisations.
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We all know that when it comes down to it, the "Does God Exist" debate is very one-sided in that atheists have abundant evidence, reason and logic in their favour yet, theists have, well, let's face it, nothing to justify their belief.
But wait! Shouldn't evidence be used to determine the right answer, whichever way it goes?
A court of law, for example, must use all the evidence available to determine a case.
It would be unthinkable for a judge to say, "Well, we have all the evidence for the prosecution but the defence doesn't have any yet. When the defence does come up with evidence I shall duly make my finding".
How long are we going to wait for the theist side of the argument to come up with evidence? Another 1700 years?
Or, can we make a judgement now on the available evidence that we do have?
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@Dynasty
That was certainly a lengthy, detailed, reasoned and compelling response there.No, since there is no reason to do that.
Not.
Unfortunately you lose by default, once again.
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@Dynasty
Yeah, by one helluva margin actually.Declaring victory, much?
So, you now realise that you are going to have to turn things around in your camp one helluva lot.
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@Dynasty
Short answer: NoLong answer: No. But, it depends.
Okay, so we all know that the short answer you supplied is the extent to which your intellect extends and the long answer is a 300% improvement. And, lo and behold, you actually made a statement and a stand
But are we going to see am improvement in your honesty?
Because your ditched attempt at inferring evolution was mentioned in the Bible turned out to be a complete disaster for you after you were found out for (feebly) trying to deceive the public.
Are you sure that you want to go through with this? Because believe me, going by your track record to date, you will end up looking very stupid.
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A man walks into a bar and gets drunk.
So he goes to a church and tells the priest that his name is Jesus Christ.
The priest says, "Prove it."
So the man goes back to the bar with the priest and the bartender says, "Jesus Christ, You're here again? "
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@rosends
It has everything to do with morgues and hospitals as per the thread as you damned well know.And if you see prayer as having uses beyond asking, and therefore, judged by metrics of success beyond "getting" (or even "convincingly not getting") then prayer's "working" can be assessed in completely different ways, having little to do with hospitals and morgues.
For your effing information, "asking" is the invitation to perform or to fulfill.
Trying to dress down a word in order to neutralise the meaning and thereby the topic hardly does one a favour in the honesty stakes, now does it?
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@triangle.128k
In other words you just want to make a public statement that you are bigoted and hateful towards others.A great example demonstrating the flaws of Protestant Christianity.
Why don't you simply muster up the guts to actually come out and say it rather than make sly, cryptic, veiled references?
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@ludofl3x
So, this is just indicative of someone in a losing position who will go to desperate lengths to justify his loony beliefs even if it means lying and deceiving and being slippery and slimy enough to never come out and actually say anything but rather make veiled inferences.
In other words, a bleeding Christian
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@ludofl3x
Are you referring to the entire book of Genesis, or just the part with the creation myth?
That is pretty irrelevant by now, Dienasty has been caught out good and proper and has now run away with his tail between his legs.
To start with, it has been established that there is absolutely nothing in Genesis nor the entire Bible that comes even remotely near to being construed as having anything to do with evolution.
Secondly, Dynasty was caught out trying to pull a swifty on everyone.....see post #13.
Through diligent checking (which I always do) he was found to be deceptive and lying....and I mean big time.
So, I would expect that he will be hanging low for a while until (when he perceives) the dust blows over.
There's no accounting for dishonesty, is there?
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No, just me.Shifting The burden of proof, are we?
What is your point anyway?
Oh, no....I just remembered, you never make points.
The only point you have is on the end of the prod you use for poking holes in statements made by others who actually have the guts to stand up and say something.
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@Mopac
If I were to explain why what you are saying is nonsense, that would imply that some sense could be made of what you are saying.
In other words, you have absolutely nothing at all to back up your claim. A stupid excuse does not constitute a reason, does it?
Claim dismissed.
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@Mopac
No other regime that has ever existed produced more martyrs. It wasn't long after the church was allowed to speak freely that The Soviet Union collapsed.If you want an example of what an anti-Christ government looks like in action, look no further than The Soviet Union. A fantastic modern example!
So far as I'm concerned, the destruction of Churches by Stalin was replacing one religion with another.
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@Alec
Why would we?We're not overturning the 1st amendment, which allows for religious freedom.
Well, you should at least think about amending the amendment....considering that many religious institutions are abusing their "right".
What right do they have to incite hatred and bigotry towards minority groups?
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Is it no wonder at all that religious followers are quite rightly referred to as "sheeple"?
Whether they like it or not, religious nuts bring ridicule upon themselves for being naively sucked into believing such completely unfounded and absurd nonsense.
It is a sad indictment upon modern, free and educated society that there will always be those who are gullible, weak and vulnerable and those who take advantage of those traits in exercising control over and making personal gain from "sheeple".
Wherever you find a heard of sheep, You will always find a shepherd.
If sheep had a bit more intelligence and a mind of their own they would be too difficult to herd and will be left alone. There would be no shepherds and sheep would no longer be constantly fleeced then ending up on dinner plates.
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One hundred years ago, the Bolsheviks; Vladimir Lenin and his followers commandeered Russia and set in motion a breathtakingly cruel experiment in economics and social engineering. Lenin and his followers promised a system that would release the repressed, empower the proletariat against a wealthy bourgeoisie and create a land of abundance and social justice. Communism would bury capitalism.
Instead, Communism slaughtered and buried at least 65 million people over the century and eventually, Soviet communism collapsed in1991. An experiment that was nothing more than an abject failure.
Despite all the atrocities committed in the name of communism, perhaps some good has come out of it. All organised religion was banned by the state and even today Russia shuns religion. For example, Putin was quite forthright in kicking out the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Can western, democratic society adopt the lead taken by Russia and ban organised religion?
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Thomas Edison was thought to have tried and failed over a thousand times before he invented the light globe. It would have driven him (and his family) nuts in the process.
But that's nothing compared to God's mucking around whilst creating the universe.
Although it is to be commended that He supposedly did it all in six days, look at all the wastage.
It is estimated that there are 10 trillion planets and suns in the universe so, the Guy must have been going completely ape making 1. 6 trillion blobs a day before getting the Earth just right.
But, If that's not enough, astronomers have discovered that the universe is continuing to expand at an accelerating rate.
That must mean His Holiness is still at it, wildly lobbing giant atomic bombs and giant spherical rocks randomly into the void at an ever-increasing rate of knots.
Surely, Isn't it time some of you theists, who talk to God, just let Him know that He can stop now, we are perfectly happy with what we have. Otherwise, of course, His attention is going to be completely taken up in His workshop and will be ignoring your needs.
I don't like to say it and this is mere speculation of course but I think that He just might have some other planets with life on them going on.
And when He gets bored with breeding little zoos around the place I reckon He is going to get up to some real fun playing Star Wars with the whole lot.
Don't ever say you weren't warned.
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@Dynasty
I suggest you read "Losing faith in the intelligence–religiosity link" and "Analytic atheism: A cross-culturally weak and fickle phenomenon?"
Well, I think that bastard Willows has a lot to answer for and I am going to put that to him.....
.....just as soon as I work out what the heck you are going on about.
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@janesix
More and more atheist bullies are finding our hidden lair
Aw gee Jane, is that really you?
You know how much I love you and I swear that I will never diss you again.
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@ethang5
Well, that's quite a bold statement there Willows but I did check out the claims that He was seen flipping burgers at a truck stop somewhere in Nevada.God still does not exist.
But nah, the claims turned out to be false.
Just like all the other claims I thoroughly checked.
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@ethang5
You are both a bigot and a racist, and I can cite your comments to that effect.
You may be able to quote comments out of context to make them fit into your wonton view but actually I was talking to my grandmother about that just last night as she was swinging through the trees. Anyway, I threw her another banana and said: "Gee, I'm looking for a guest motivational speaker to talk to my (80%) Indian workforce."
I reckon I could spare a few cedis to get you down here and talk to the lads. I'm sure it would rock their turbans off.
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@Swagnarok
Probably not but I still remain skeptical as to why parents opt for home schooling, in other words, their motives.But it's certainly not the humongous disaster that some people think it is
I think that social interaction of kids with other kids is invaluable and in any case it is generally known that 80% of what school kids learn comes from home.
But to make kids different from others by separating them is not the way to go and you really have to question why parents perceive that what they are doing is any better.
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@Dr.Franklin
Oh, that's just dandy isn't it?Science uses materials given to us by God to cure diseases
God: Now listen, you bunch of heathens down there. Stop your constant winging (praying) about all your dumb suffering wretches of children slowly dying.
Here's a bunch of chemicals for you to go and cure them yourselves.
Now deal with it and stop your moaning."
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@Mopac
And still you won't say why will you?You are still talking nonsense.
Because you are so high and mighty up there on that cloud of yours that anything and everything you say is right and unquestionable and requires no explanation, right?
Yes, dead right.
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@ethang5
You have to admit though that Willows really hammers home reality like it really is.New name, same old crap.
The stupid twit should know though that no matter how many times he peddles that line it doesn't matter anyway since the people he aims it at are too deluded to even know that they are deluded.
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@ethang5
Well yes, I think that Willows bastard has an absolute nerve rubbing in the guilt all the time.New name, same old crap.
He obviously hates what Churches do.
I mean like....really?
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Nice joke bro. You got the whole squad laughing
Yep, it would take someone like Seth MacFarlane to take that little ditty and stretch it out for all its worth.
He would finish the punchline right, then:
Caring Sensitive Home School Father: Now, where did I put that key? Where is it? Ohhh Geeziz, it's got be around here somewhere, Where did I put the goddamned thing..........oh, here it is, oh no, no, that's the lawn mower, or....let's look over there......no, no, that's a blow-up Maralyn Monroe doll......well it could be............etc. Oh, Oh ***k me dead, here it is. It's up my..............music starts and credits roll.
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Ecclesiastes 3:18?
"I also said to myself, "As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals."
You would have to be dishonest and take it completely out of context to have any association with evolution since the passage goes on to further elaborate:
"For the fates of both men and beasts are the same: As one dies, so dies the other—they all have the same breath. Man has no advantage over the animals, since everything is futile.…"
Stating that both animals and humans breath and die comes nowhere even remotely near associating the Bible with evolution.
Now, try another one. This time, at least try not to be so dishonest.
And, may I say, that is a great piece of scripture and tells us to consider that in the end, we are all as vulnerable as each other....so true.
You see, I don't necessarily knock the Bible since it really does say some really good stuff.
However, I will always knock the crap out of those who use the Bible to interpret it for their own devious ends.
Next one please.
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@Dynasty
Yep, no problem at all.provide evidence for the claim that there is no such thing as God.
As soon as you provide evidence as to why you are not stupid.
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@rosends
...finding flaws in someone's thinking and argument is a very useful and important rhetorical strategy....Except I have and you have ignored it because it isn't in the form you want to see....what you said wasn't even on point enough to be impactful on any level....
With due respect what you saying there is a load of unmitigated crap, and you know it.
Yes, "finding flaws.......strategy" but as we both know, that is all you have done. You have not submitted one argument, in favour, or otherwise.
What I said was perfectly valid and properly backed up and my arguing prowess does not extend down anywhere near the level that you may have in mind.
So cut the deceptive rhetoric and make some form of argument unless of course you are avoiding the issue.
"Oh no, of course not, not me, how dare you say that, how preposterous?"
Well, I do dare say that because of you record for deception and slithering around the issue because you know very well that the subject is 100% unwinnable in the negative.
Why don't you just try and be more up front in admitting that you have no valid argument...I mean; prayer working, ...you would have to be completely out of your head to believe that.
So, let's just put you out of your obvious misery and put an end to this roasting right now.
You have lost the argument by default because you haven't even initiated an argument one way or the other in the first place let alone offered one. My argument stands unchallenged.
You certainly won't get anywhere in life if all you do is sneer from the sidelines.
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@Dynasty
God didn't rape Mary. Also, he didn't create evil.
For once you have made a statement that makes sense and is correct.
But, once again, your lack of explanation or reasoning has left you wide open to be proven once again (if not sheer lazy and arrogant) to be labelled as being very stupid.
In fact, extremely stupid.
God didn't rape Mary alright, nor did he create evil.
Because there is no such thing as God, nor such a person as Mary (as described in the Bible).
And before you start jumping up and down at the prospect of roasting me for making the statements "creates evil" and "rapes a virgin married woman", everyone of the quotes in the thread are sarcastically parodying Christian belief.
Are you at least going to make an effort to try and overcome your stupidity?
I mean, come on, this is getting ridiculous.
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@Dynasty
I'm not stupid. And your claims don't stand 100%.
I watched the debate and there was not one, not one example of evolution in Genesis quoted by the speakers. Not one and I challenge you to name just one example.
Once again you are making completely unsupported statements and have not once backed up any other statement to date.
The video has already been verified as providing no evidence whatsoever to your ludicrous thread.
I have gone to the trouble to thoroughly research the topic and have provided sufficient evidence to support my claims, none of which has been challenged.
I need to remind you once again that "nope" and "I'm not" do not constitute a successful challenge nor valid statements, reinforcing my argument even further that your thread holds no weight at all and that you are profoundly stupid.
Those facts have now been firmly established and accepted since you have refused to both explain (a biased and discredited video do not constitute an explanation) or refute my arguments.
Case closed.
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@BrotherDThomas
Very worrying and sickening indeed.At least "home schooling" keeps the innocent children away from Catholic Pedophile Priests in their "rectory" room, and where the Jehovah Witnesses are vying to take the Catholic faith away from being number one with their pedophile problems stemming from their Satanic "Two Witness Rule!" Praise!
It is hard to decide which cult wins the golden gong:.....
....The Catholics with their confession secrecy.
....Or the JWs with their 2 witness policy.
I would go for the second option for being so absurd. and think of this also....by reason of guilt by association the 2 witnesses plus the offender plus the victim, one would label a foursome.
In which case, do you reckon that the 2 witnesses are going to tell, since technically they were in on the action?
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@BrotherDThomas
Now, you can't have your cake and eat it too.Look at this blasphemous picture below of Adam and Eve having belly buttons
You obviously take exception to the obvious connotation that Adam and Eve were born and not created.
By the same token, would it therefore be appropriate to show the genitals of the subjects since that would indicate the impending procreation of Seth?
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@BrotherDThomas
And in view of the fact that each division claims theirs to be the right one, they are all probably wrong.The reasoning of so many bibles being printed, is simply the fact that there're is approximately 325 Bible DIVISIONS of the faith that all need their correct interpretation of said bible! As comically seen, even though they all contradict each other, each DIVISION of Christianity obviously has the correct interpretation. LOL!!!
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