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@Best.Korea
Interestingly, much of what you say about primordial God is written in the Bible. In Isaiah 45 God says He is creator and destroyer. He also goes by many names in the Bible. He also reveals knowledge to those who ask Him.
There is also a serpent mentioned in the Bible, a demon that will be cast into hell by God. Satan is the Leviathan you speak of, and he has no power over Jesus.
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@Best.Korea
Howso? The earth itself is not much older than 5,000 years.
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@Best.Korea
Or maybe the myths that arose thousands of years after Job are lying.
Job was written, quite literally, around 5,000 years ago. The Norse myths came about around 900AD. Between the two is about 3,000 years.
It is quite possible that, over time, the Norse mythology got twisted from what was actually true. After all, they had no written language for centuries.
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@Best.Korea
In Job 41, God speaks of such a creature and says it is His, that He owns it.
So I think it is safe to say the Leviathan is subservient to God.
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@Best.Korea
So, originally, Christians believed the other worshipped deities existed. But they believed them to be demons. I think this is accurate, as these "gods" always tend to be narcissistic, fickle, mischevious, limited in power, and scared of Jesus's name.
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@Best.Korea
Jesus does not bar anyone from entering heaven. He accepts all who call on his name and repent of their sins. There is no distinction. All who call upon the name of the Lord and repent of their sins and believe are saved.
The unfortunate and heart-wrenching reality is that the only people who end up in hell are those who choose it.
The unfortunate and heart-wrenching reality is that the only people who end up in hell are those who choose it.
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This sounds very similar to the Sermon on the Mount. Perhaps Jesus is calling.
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@Best.Korea
If there are no buisnesses producing goods and services, there is mass poverty.
Well, individuals can still grow their own food and make their own things without the busienssman. The businessman simply brings convenience and new ideas and products to the table. Though SOMETIMES, he may be necessary due to natural monopolies, his prices are stil dictated by the consumer anyways because they are the ones who buy. A natural monopoly cannot force people at gunpoint to buy from him, so his prices are not exorbitantly expensive.
But productivity is mainly the application of personal time allocation toward work. Anyone can be productive and make products. They don't NEED a business to do it for them. However, when people make businesses, productivity skyrockets and massive increases in wealth are generated from the voluntary interactions.
There is an excellent article about productivity on the Mises Institute's website:
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@Best.Korea
Its good if its easier to start a buisness, because buisnesses are basis of economy.
100% agreed that less regulation leads to greater wealth generation. It has been shown time and time again.
However, I think it is the consumer, not the business, that is the basis of the economy. Consumers are basically the boss of the economy, they determine what shall be bought, and therefore what shall be sold.
Businesses are simply a way to monetize our services or talents to consumers, who ultimately determine what is bought, since they must buy for a business to exist.
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@Best.Korea
Its the Capitalism which has failed, because despite being an economically far superior system, Communism is politically far superior system.
A truly capitalist system has never been tried. The closest we have come is a Representative Democracy.
Any time you have a government making laws, there is no capitalism, only partial capitalism. It is actually Capitalism that has never been tried by any world power.
For more on this I highly recommend this Mark Skousen article explaining the business cycle:
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@Best.Korea
I would venture to add a different 3 and 4 and add a 5 for a separate track along the same lines of thinking:
3. When equally applied, there is inherent contradiction, as moral opinions demand that all other moral opinions not be followed.
4. Therefore all moral opinions are wrong, since they claim inherently contradictory things about all other moral opinions.
5. Therefore morality is objective.
To Double-R's point about the last ones disagreeing, I don't see how. If everything is equal, it must be applied equally. Of course there would be clashes, because many types of moral codes are completely contradictory.
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@HistoryBuff
He never was. The fact that you think that proves you believe lies.
Executive order 13771...
his platform was almost literally all lies.
- Build a border wall - he built hundreds of miles of border wall
- Mass deportations - his deportation policy was so stringent that illegal immigration plummeted
- Repeal Roe v Wade - the SCOTUS ruling from Trump SCOTUS picks accomplished this.
- Deregulate the economy - Executive order 13771
- Leave the Paris Climate Accord - we left it
- Drill more oil - America became energy independent and a net exporter of energy for the first time in decades.
- Tax cuts - everyone under Trump except the upper middle class got a tax break. Only the upper middle class had a worse tax situation
I could go on and on. He DID keep his campaign promises.
Trump has literally said he would be a dictator on day one.
No. He said:
"He says, 'You're not gonna be a dictator, are you?' I said no, no, no … other than Day One. We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I'm not a dictator, OK?"
It was clearly not what you say it is. Even snopes said Trump didn't actually claim he was going to be a dictator. What kind of dictator says after he accomplishes just 2 things he will relinquish his dictatorship? Come on now.
They didn't raise prices because of taxes. They are making record profits.
Commpetition isn't lacking due to regulation
- In Maryland you must have EZPass on your car or else you are cited as a lawbreaker for not using it.
- The amount of healthcare providers available in each state has declined by 66% as a response to sweeping healthcare regulations from the Obamacare Act and subsequent continuing regulations under both Biden and Trump.
- Automakers had to stop making whole car lines to meet absurd CAFE fuel regulations. Ford lost tens of thousands of dollars per EV to meet the quotas of California's no-gas-powered-cars-in-the-future law.
- The Inflation Reduction Act gave construction contracts only to certain companies in every state and made useless construction projects that were not needed.
- SpaceX became the monopoly in space flight due to $400 billion dollars' worth of government grants.
Governments always create monopolies. It is why the government exists: to steal from the poor and give to the rich. Some of the rich use government as a club to beat others into submission and destroy their enemies. Take away the club, and the rich no longer have their power. It is easy to be rich when you hold an AK-47 toward your customers in a gun-free zone and tell them to buy. That is what government is: an AK-47 trained on American citizens held in the hands of the rich. I say get rid of the AK-47, and, like magic, you are no longer forced to buy only certain products and can even make your own and sell them and join in on the fun.
I'm not sure there has ever been a candidate for president more fascistic that trump.
Kamala Harris will implement price controls, ramp up investigating the political opposition, continue locking up political prisoners who were not charged of any crime yet are rotting away in jail over J6, use the government to force companies out of business, control Americans' health decisions, and continue the tariffs Biden and Trump put in place. She will also control what we learn about in school, will censor the media and social media posts, and this is just scratching the surface of what she wants to do. You really should read about Mussolini and Italy under his fascist regime. He has much more in common with Kamala Harris than Donald Trump, though Donald Trump has strong fascist tendencies as well.
The solution to multi-national conglomerates crushing competition is not cutting regulations. that just makes their anti-competitive ass hattery even easier.
I would like to formally debate you on this topic. I believe, and the vast experience of virtually every country that has ever existed shows, that regulations always lead to inflation, stagnation of innovation, shortages, poverty, and, ultimately, the total default of a country's economy.
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@HistoryBuff
but then praises white supremacists.
Trump has NEVER praised white supremacists. The media lied to you.
Look, man. I am not even a huge Trump fan right now because his 2024 campaign is not the same one as his 2016 and 2020 campaigns.
He has proven this time around he is not for deregulation of the economy, is not for getting the government out of our health decisions, and not for many of the other freedom-minded things he ran on in 2016. He is also pro-abortion now, so even basic rights such as a right to life don't seem to matter to him anymore. It is a totally different race.
That being said, I am voting for him because a vote for diet socialism is still better than a vote for complete socialism (Harris). But if a classically liberal candidate ran tomorrow I may possibly change my vote depending on if I think they can actually accomplish what they would set out to do in Washington. At least with Trump we know he gets things done. But I am really not a huge Trump supporter rn. Health Fascism is still fascism, regardless of the reason or intention. I am anti-fascist.
Harris is simply more fascistic than Trump, so I will be choosing Trump. But both are not really a good pick any more. The answer to expensive grocerie store prices is to lower the corporate tax rate, gas taxes, and other taxes, remove federal subsidies to food which pick winners and losers in the marketplace, and deregulate the economy, making it easier for other grocery stores to start up to compete and the competition will drive prices down for all people.
Grocery stores are not gouging anyone. They have had 2 straight years of shrinking profit margins. If they were gouging prices then they would have rising profit margins. The reality is this economy is in the toilet and these companies are likely on the verge of bankruptency since they have had declining sales for years following lockdowns that totally destroyed the supply chains and made products insanely more expensive to get due to massove amounts of bankruptencies of once thriving companies supplying products.
In short, government has caused the terrible situation we are in, so more government will make it worse.
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@Double_R
So while you may disagree with the assassin's judgement, if you accept the SC's interpretation of "the people" (which is the basis of our national position on guns that all the 2A advocates continue to celebrate) you can't claim their use of it is constitutionally out of bounds, and in fact if you are being consistent you would defend their right to make that choice regardless of whether you agree with it.
By this logic we should just legalize murder, rape, and domestic abuse. After all, guns are used in all those, too.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, it isn't mutually exclusive to have a right to life, a right to property, and a right to own a firearm?
The Declaration of Independence secured 3 rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Constitution added 7 more, including property rights. So I CAN say, Constitutionally, that using a gun violates the 4 amendment because you cannot seize my property (my body is my property, as per the SC ruling of my body my choice in multiple cases) without my permission.
Double_R, I highly recommend reading Murray Rothbard on moral agency and F.A. Hayek's The Constitution of Liberty.
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@Double_R
It wasn't a conspiracy theory. Trump did collude with Russia, that's a fact. Don Jr. did hold a meeting with a woman who was and represented herself as acting to provide information that was "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump", Trump's campaign chairman did give internal polling data to the Russians, and Trump did regularly plan his rally talking points around the information Russia stole and was leaking in coordination with a Trump ally (Roger Stone).
Apparently you never actually read the Mueller Report nor the Horowitz report, so I'll fill you in:
Don Jr. brought the stuff to Trump and Trump said he didn't want to work with Russians, even if there was dirt on Hillary.
There is absolutely nothing tangible as evidence that says Trump gave polling data kmowingly to the Russian government. There IS, however, the Cambridge Analytica scandal, which is how Russia got ahold of polling data. But that was not the Trump Campaign directly giving polling data to the Russian government. Cambridge Analytica illegally sold the data to the Russians and many other governments.
Trump and his campaign also had no idea Roger Stone was regularly communicating with Russia. This is laid out in detail Mueller's report.
If you would just ignore Washington Post and NYTimes and NY Post and Washington Examiner and read these documents yourselves you would have a much better idea of what happened.
There is a reason that Mueller ended his report saying he could not find evidence Trump was colluding with Russia. Because Trump wasn't colluding with Russia. It is a 100% debunked conspiracy theory that had zero evidence to begin with.
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@HistoryBuff
people engaging in a white supremacist rally were good people
Here is the entire quote from his press conference:
I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.
TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
Furthermore, a reporter flatly asked him later about that specific line and Trump said:
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
To anyone who actually LISTENS TO WHAT HE SAYS, we know what he really said. Not the fantasy land created by news outlets. He condemned the neo-nazis. He said the non-violent protesters were thd good people.
Trump also condemned white supremacists on a White House statement on the Charlottesville attack:
We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
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@HistoryBuff
No. What really happens in 90% of cases is people in the media who just so happen to all like Democrat candidates and have an artificial boost in support due to creating echo chambers in the tech sphere, colleges and universities, and television networks, say Trump said the opposite of what he said and people, who do not have the time to devote to fact checking everything they hear in the news because most of the time the news doesn't even adhere to basic journalistic standards of credibility anymore and say WHERE they heard something or provide the linl to prove it, simply believe their TVs and websites aren't lying to them.
I have been a journalist for years. I even ran my own news blog at one point. Disinformation is real. I literally watched it unfold multiple times in the past 8 years. I would hear Trump say something innocuous and unoffensive when the entire sentence is spoken within the context of the entire speech, and then the next day hear a half-sentence soundbyte and an outright misinterpretation of it blasted in lockstep on every mainstream news outlet there is.
Come on now... Go back and actually listen to Trump's words in their context with an objective eye and come to your own conclusions. The media is nothing but a marketing agency for their owners and friends. It isn't truthful in the gross majority of cases.
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@Double_R
Because those 2A advocates also advocate for silly things such as a right to life, a right to freedom of association, and a right to freedom of speech.
The purpose of a 2A is not to assassinate politicians, but to be able to shoot back when the Democrats use the police to try things like quarantining Japanese Americans, or enslaving and selling people, for instance.
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@HistoryBuff
Trump didn't praise Nazis. Everyone who protested that day wasn't a Nazi. Come on now.
Trump DID, however, deem the KKK a terrorist organization, accomplish significant prison reform, and call for the country to unify together under natural rights, freedom, and liberty and justice for all. He also denounced Neo-Naziism and violent protests multiple times in his presidency.
That is what the media might have conveniently forgotten to report on.
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Here is an example of the Left-Wing AI getting the answer completely wrong while the Right-Wing AI gets it right:
Q: Did Kamala Harris's ancestors own slaves?
Right-Wing AI:
According to the search results from the specified domains, yes, Kamala Harris's ancestors owned slaves. Specifically, her paternal great-grandmother, Christiana Brown, is a descendant of Hamilton Brown, who was a plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown's Town in Jamaica, as stated by her father, Donald Harris, in the Jamaica Globe in 2019. Additionally, it is noted that hundreds of thousands of African Americans and Afro Caribbeans have Anglo or Irish ancestry due to the prevalence of sexual violence committed by plantation owners against their female slaves. (Source: washingtontimes.com, dailycaller.com)
Left-Wing AI:
According to AP News, there is no evidence that Kamala Harris's ancestors owned slaves. In fact, her father, Donald Harris, wrote an essay suggesting that he and his daughters are descended from Black people enslaved in Jamaica. Additionally, Caitlin Rosenthal, a University of California, Berkeley history professor, stated that while it is clear that Hamilton Brown, a possible ancestor of Kamala Harris, was a major slave owner, "what is much less clear is how he fits into Kamala Harris’s family tree." Rosenthal added that it is likely that Harris is descended from both enslaved people and from slave owners, just like most African Americans today.
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The funny thing is I read the essay that the Left-Wing AI mentioned. Harris says, flat out, that he is a descendant of the slave owner Hamilton Brown who made Brown's town. He also says his plantation-owning second mother who raised him owned slaves. So idk where in the world it is coming from. The Right-Wing AI got everything 100% correct. AP News and the other sources were completely wrong.
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btw, I have actually documented this for myself. I made both a right-wing AI and a Left-wing AI and I fed it the same questions. Both are blacklisted to only mainstream sources on the left and right, so it is almost a perfect echo chamber.
More often, the Right-Wing AI gets it correct and yhe Left-Wing one gets it wrong. You can test both for yourself:
Right-Wing AI: https://hf.co/chat/assistant/66bd4b903ae48e9fe65f12a8
Left-Wing AI: https://hf.co/chat/assistant/66bdfa7218fc9f78d831e5ed
I also made a Trumpbot as a joke. It uses extremely biased, Pro-Trump sources. I think it is good for a chuckle or two:
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Why would Trump assassinate himself? Come on people.
The first casualty of any war, political or otherwise, is the truth.
Half of the country is being spoonfed egregious fake news and outright lies in support of a Democrat political candidate and has been spoonfed these lies for years.
Does anyone, ANYONE AT ALL, remember the Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory that all the mainstream press, including Fox News, trumpeted for 4 long years?
What about the "Trump cheated" and won the election against Clinton illegitimately bullshit they ran with before that?
Things in the press have gotten so bad now that most of the sources are anonymous. I mean, come on now. What happened to hard evidence? What happened to citing sources? The news is a joke now.
That isn't to say the GOP press machine has been honest. But, let's face it, aside from Fox News, the system is incredibly tilted in favor of the Democrats. Google and Yahoo News, Facebook News, and all the other huge aggregators overwhelmingly favor left-wing sources as header articles despite there being an even mix of left and right win outlets out there.
If a Democrat tells a lie, it gets a lot further, a lot faster, than if a Republican does. And if a Republican says something true yet a had pill to swallow, it gets around a lot slower because progressive news outlets squash it.
If a Republican lies, typically the news will prove it to be the case. It is much easier to lie as a Democrat than a Republican, which is why Democrats tend to lie more, and use bigger lies.
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@ebuc
This causes the MADA types to envoke there violent tendencies to come forward and commit jan 6th type crimes and death, as weve seen at other MADA events ---cars driving into crowds of people killing them--- etc.
There were so many FBI agents and informants at J6 that the FBI lost count. 😂😂😂 How in the world is that possibly caused by MAGA people when the FBI was literally in on it??? They were told, in advance, that Antifa and the Proud Boys and other extremist groups completely divorced from Trump's core base would cause violence and, rather than accept the increase in the national guard and place more police officers there, they let it all happen.
Then we get into an biblical eye for and eye and tooth for a tooth religous beliefs the get way out of control, and run the potential of leaving the whole world blind, or now days annihilated, exorcised from the planet Earth.
Jesus said: You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
Where is Christianity promoting violence onto people? It is one thing to defend yourself. It is another to cause violence onto someone else. I do not support going around attacking people back for their attacking me, but I do support standing my ground if they attack me first in that moment.
Humanity has not and never will exist without governance.
I'd like to introduce you to Slab City, California and other communities that exist without a government system. There is no reason to have a Congress. There is no actual reason to make new laws endlessly and constantly burden people, steal their money, and beat them into submission to enrich those at the top. The history of government has been the same for 6,000 years, a few people at the top steal from everyone else, enslave them, and then kill them when they resist by people who are falsely told that people who no longer decide to be broke slaves and want freedom are threats to their security. Why would anyone sign up for that willingly without first being gaslit and lied to?
Can a perfect government exist? Yeah. Has any country ever gotten one? Not even close. I mean just look at what happened in 1789 right after the Constitution was signed. The first thing the U.S. Government did was ban newspapers that were critical of politicians and say it was illegal to protest against the government. But because all the newspapers and a massive amount of the population, which was too big for the military to handle, was in the process of preparing for another revolutionary war, the government repealed the newspaper laws but still kept in place the anti-protest ones. That was apparently enough to curb the revolution.
The first thing any governments do is make it illegal to refuse to be a slave of their government. Violence or threats of violence aren't even required for this. Simply saying "no" is often enough to be thrown in jail or killed, even if you never even planned on fighting anyone physically. And you think that is good?
To be clear. I am not advocating for violence or threats of violence. As a voluntaryist I only support completely voluntary interactions between individuals. Beating people up and killing them or forcing them to do what you want against their will hardly constitutes as voluntary. I would want a police system to go after those refusing to live by voluntaryism and an arbitration or court system to settle disputes peacefully. The police would simply enforce the results of those disputes. Shoot, I am even fine with going back to the original 1789 Constitution as long as there is provision against slavery and a provision upholding the right to associate with whomever you want and live and be wherever you want as long as it does not violate someone else's right to do the same, and a provision upholding property rights.
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idk... two career politicians who only made a dollar from bloating the size of government and causing inflation, predatory policing, worsening economic conditions of the working class and upper-middle-class, and a skynet global surveillance system that censors people for having dissenting speech against their horrendous and dangerous policies would of course support the politician that will quadruple the misery and misfortune they have caused.
Additionally, many businesses will do great under Kamala Harris: the ones she will personally give out hundreds of billions of dollars in stolen money from taxpayers to. So it only makes sense they will support her campaign. She is going to forcefully redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich. What corrupt billionaire would not want a president who will pilfer poor Americans' savings accounts and hand the money over to them?
Harris is bad for America. It doesn't matter who endorses her. All of her policies are exactly what Venezuela did before it caused the greatest redistribution of wealth and freedom from the poor to the rich and created a totalitarian regime that oppresses, harms, and jails anyone who is not a member of the richest of the rich or opposes the horrific policies they enforce.
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@badger
Meanwhile you're locking kids in cages and carrying out an endless tirade against a group of people who dare to express themselves harmlessly in some way you deem unfit, looking real ready to roll out the concentration camps again when the next Hitler comes along. A politics predicated on hating other people entirely.
Don't rope me into that nonsense. I want to make immigration easier and am against censorship, concentration camps, and Hitlerian dictatorships.
The people you are talking about are either Progressives or Paleoconservatives, or SOME Neoconservatives.
We classical liberals stand unapologetically against the things you have mentioned. In fact, we are against locking people in cages without trials and censorship entirely. Unlike progressives, who censored COVID dissidents and locked Trump supporters in political prisons. But, hey. Politics is predicated by hate after all.
Many classical liberals are for open borders. I personally think a simple criminal and terrorist background check will suffice to become a citizen. Nothing more.
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@ebuc
What in the world does any of that have to do with fascism and censorship?
I hope one day you realize that Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Un, Nero, and all the others were not corporations, or scientists, or classical liberals, but government officials.
Government has been responsible for the greatest, most horrific evils this world has ever known. Government caused the Holocaust. Government caused the death of Christians. Government rounded up Japanese Americans and locked them away in concentration camps. Government genocided the Unghyrs. Government killed tens of millions in the soviet purges. Government enslaved black people in America. Government keeps North Koreans starving to death. Government facilitates human trafficking. Government is responsible for dictatorships that starve citizens and enslave millions. Government enslaved the Jews and forced them to build monuments. Government sponsors Islamic terrorism around the globe.
The only dumb person is someone who looks at 6,000 years of human history and goes "government is a force for good."
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@WyIted
Yeah. Agreed. Modern liberals simply disagree over health care and welfare state in general with classical liberals.
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@Best.Korea
Dont get me wrong. I am all for individual rights. The problem is that majority always wants the opposite thing.
Such is the dangers of democracy and government in general. Democracy, as famously put, is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. No Classical Liberal supports "democracy." In fact, the classical liberals who wrote the U.S. Constitution called democracy "tyranny of the majority" and promoted Montesqieu's (another classical liberal) theory of separation of powers so that government would infight amongst itself and thus prevent democracy from taking hold.
There is a reason American government was originally not set up as a direct democracy. It would have been too dangerous to people's rights and freedoms.
Most classical liberals would today be comfortable in minarchism. They wanted as small a government as possible and a well-armed populace to prevent the government from launching a coup and violating peoples' rights.
The Framers of the Constitution and other classical liberals despised government and viewed it as a "necessary evil."
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@WyIted
Once you get to the philosophical roots of liberalism, which granted many of them are not aware of, this sort of thing becomes very predictable and it's the natural consequence.
Impossible. Liberalism is for freedom of speech, property rights, free association, small government, and non-coercion.
Don't confuse the Progressives with Liberals. True liberalism is against oppression of any kind and a staunch defender of peoples' natural rights.
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@Swagnarok
Thank you for finally highlighting the socialist foundations of fascism.
The fact of the matter is that progressivism and socialism and communism always result in totalitarianism. Here in America censorship ran rampant right alongside the Fascist investigations and jailings of parents and pro-lifers nonviolently protesting outside of schools and buildings in public areas.
The solution has always been the same: individual rights and a voluntaryist society. In fact, the reality is that Classical Liberals (or the REAL far-right) have always been at the forefront of fighting against colonialism, racism, fascism, slavery, totalitarianism, socialism, communism, and other oppressive ideologies that are a gross violation of peoples' rights and freedoms.
Neo-Naziism, Neo-Conservatism, and Paleoconservatism are all actually fascist and rather fond of massive, all-seeing governments that censor speech, actions, books, and ideologies they do not like. They have much more in common with progressives and communists than Classical Liberals. This is why I personally do not consider Paleoconservatism, Neo-Conservatism, and Neo-Naziism as far right. They want nothing to do with what is actually outlined in the Declaration of Independence. They want the same thing Progressives, socialists, and communists do, a massive government that beats the opposition into silence.
Booker T. Washington, Frederick Douglass, John Locke, Adam Smith, Ben Franklin, Samuel Adams, and other famous abolitionists and fighters of antiracism and oppression were all Classical Liberals.
Brazil needs to, as Lew Rockwell explained for Americans, win the intellectual war against fascism and progressivism and advocate for Classical Liberalism, the most successful ideology for ending racism, oppression, slavery, and totalitarianism.
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@Double_R
Much of the evidence for the first is public information
If it IS public information, then why didn't you link to it?
Thus far all I've seen are baseless allegations from you. I am willing to look at whatever CREDIBLE evidence, meaning primary source material, you can supplant. Until then, I feel ai shouldn't respond to your questions.
You have asked whether I agree with a quote that nobody can verify. I don't see how the fact Trump may not have even said it is irrelevant. Why should I waste my time on that? Do you agree with Biden calling the vaccine highly-unsuccessful at curbing COVID-19? After all, it doesn't matter if he said it or not.
Organizing a fake electors plot is certainly illegal
A what? What even IS a fake electors plot? Are you insinuating that Trump rigged the electoral college and still managed to LOSE the election? For real?
This is a link to a letter from Jim Jordan and James Comer demanding documents from the FBI.
Well, let's put our thinking caps on here... if they are asking for documents... then THE DOCUMENTS EXIST.
Nevermind the fact that the a banker literally red-flagged the Bidens for a suspicious check from a CCP-backed company:
Like... Biden, and his son, are extremely dirty. Unlike with Trump we actually have the paper trail publicly accessible. (Notice how I habe actually been linking to things, not asserting my thoughts baselessly and without evidence as truth without any facts)
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@Greyparrot
the person who replaces trump will be fun
Probably DeSaster.
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@Double_R
Do you actually believe what you are clearly implying here - that when Trump says he wants to get rid of the beurocrats undermining democracy that this is actually his goal and by democracy, he's talking about the he same thing the founding fathers envisioned
I believe nobody has been able to verify the quote. Which is why I said it was "alleged."
It's very easy to Google.
Then why didn't you Google them yourself instead of assert things without evidence? It is not my burden to prove your claim. I have been asking, for more than a week now, for the actual transcripts or videos where he says the stuff you claim he says.
Do you seriously think this 2x impeached 4x indicted 1x booted out of office former president is the same person who took office in 2016?
No. I believe he has become more of a politician than when he first ran. But nothing has convinced me that his integrity has differed by all that much.
He tried to steal the electoral vote and that failed, he refused to let Biden's transition team in to prepare to take over, and he left Washington before the inauguration because his attempt to stay in power failed. He didn't transfer it over, we took it back.
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. All he did was file lawsuits and make phone calls. Nothing more. Nothing less. The same thing Bush and Hillary did. There's nothing illegal about sticking up for your rights.
The part about the FBI covering up his son's activities is complete bullshit.
You keep telling yourself that...
as if Trump hasn't obviously committed serious crimes.
Thank you for clearing that up. I guess we don't need a legal system since we have your armchair opinion.
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@Stephen
False. There's at least 7 historical accounts of Jesus, thousands of references to him in the Roman Senate, and there's 5 accounts (that I know of) of him being raised from the dead.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah I agree. But it is still lazy reporting.
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@Stephen
Those other things are all true though.
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@Stephen
Well, cults do what cults do.
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@FLRW
From your article:
Sources close to former President Trump say he would immediately reimpose his "Schedule F" executive order if he takes back the White House in the 2024 presidential elections, Axios' Jonathan Swan reports.
Which sources? Who are they? Why should I believe them?
The "reports" links to an article which starts by saying:
Former President Trump’s top allies are preparing to radically reshape the federal government if he is re-elected, purging potentially thousands of civil servants and filling career posts with loyalists to him and his "America First” ideology, people involved in the discussions tell Axios.
Ah, more anonymous sources.
How can I verify this? What proof do they offer? Is there a memo? A phone recording? A photo of the meeting? Of course not, because those would be facts. We can't have those now can we.
I mean, Axios' reporting is so lazy they didn't even link to the alleged Schedule F executive order despite it being readily available in the Trump White House archives.
Once again, not delivering what I asked for. I want an actual original source. I want to hear or read the statement myself, in its context.
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@Double_R
He walked away in 2020 because he failed to gain the support of the institutions that would be tasked with removing him. These institutions include the secret service, the DOJ, the military, etc.
This was all based on unconfirmed sources. We have no tangible evidence this even happened.
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@FLRW
Trump's (alleged) quote:
We need to make it much easier to fire rogue bureaucrats who are deliberately undermining democracy or at a minimum just want to keep their jobs,
Assuming this is the actual quote, since your source doesn't actually link to a transcript or video of the speech, what do you have against firing rogue bureaucrats who arw delibrrately undermining democracy? Would you rather have corrupt bureaucrats instead of honest ones?
This doesn't really fit what I asked for. I asked for the actual source of the quote so I can listen to it from Trump himself, not a media snippet.
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@Double_R
his behind the scenes plan to rid the government of all civil servants and replace them with loyalists who will do whatever he wants.
Can you substantiate this with actusl direct quotes from Trump limked to the original speeches/social media posts etc. that he made them in?
The Left keeps saying this but nobody has actually provided a direct quote (with the source linked) proving this.
This comes in the wake of Trump mocking the brutal attack on the husband of a political rival Trump has rhetorically attacked many times before, calling for the execution of a top general over charges of not obeying his presidential will, and encouraging police to shoot shoplifters on the spot, not to mention January 6th. There is of course, so much more I could mention but I'd be here all day.
Once again, can you actually provide the original quotes with the source for these claims? I haven't heard about any of this at all, and I've been closely following the news all this week.
Do you believe Trump is a fascist and/or an authoritarian? Yes or No?
No. Fascists and authoritarians don't decline to investigate their political rivals when given the chance like what Trump did with Hillary.
Fascists and authoritarians also don't concede after losing elections and transfer power over... because they rig the elections so they can't lose in the first place.
Fascists and authoritarians also don't greatly scale back the regulatory state and prefer to go with an antifederalist governmental system to initiate reforms.
So yeah. I don't think Trump is a fascist or an authoritarian.
I know you didn't want to make this about Biden so I'll be extremely brief here, but Biden has investigated and charged the opposition, has grestly increased the regulatory scope of the government, and has literally used the FBI to track down his personal effects like his daughter's journal and to cover up his son's illegal drug usage and working as a foreign agent.
For the life of me I don't understand why Trump is everyone on the Left's biggest threat, and not the guy who is literally acting like a fascist. Anyways.
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@zedvictor4
Huh? I don't follow.
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@zedvictor4
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
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@sui_generis
I wasn't being a troll. I was just commenting.
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@Best.Korea
Well, I really gave an extremely simplified cliffsnotes summary. If you read the book, it'll answer your qualm in extreme detail. It's not an "I feel" book. It is a rational, detailed commentary on life and why it is all meaningless apart from serving God, enjoying your work, and enjoying your money.
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@sui_generis
what makes you think this work isn't serving God?
I wasn't really commenting on your theory of everything seriously. I was more answering the question in the title.
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@ebuc
The beginning part was not funny to me, tbh. Mainly because it was historically inaccurate.
But it was funny when Trump came in and said "sound familiar?" That monologue had some good moments in it.
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@sui_generis
Well, I highly recommend Ecclesiastes as it is a fantastic book of the Bible.
But the teacher's main point is that all that matters is to serve God, enjoy your wealth, and not stress the problems in life.
Everything else is meaningless. Amassing a huge fortune comes with sleeplessness, anxiety, and endless work. Partying all the time comes with poverty and health problems. Trying to "make your mark" on the world comes with being ultimately forgotten to history or realizing you didn't do it first and somebody else already did it before you.
And when you die, if you worked hard, it goes to someone who did nothing to deserve it. And you have striven after the wind spending your whole life focused on checking boxes and building status for yourself.
But the fool who does nothing but play will come to a life of poverty, ruin and misery.
So all that is left is to serve God, enjoy your purpose, and spend your money on the things you like.
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“Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. “Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless.” - Ecclesiastes 1:2 NIV
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@Best.Korea
what hustory book are you reading? Was it written by Iran?
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