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@Vader
Not DD per say, but their might be evidence to someone. A lot of these interactions seemed forced to a certain degree
What exactly do you mean by “forced”?
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@Vader
What if there is a Jester now that I'm thinking about? This forcing of lynch votes seems manufactured and not genuine at all.
Are you saying that DD is a jester?
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@Vader
Going to bed. Im too tired to respond after going to lake
Good night
Sleep tight
Don’t let your scumminess bite 🙂
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also please FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF GOD stop giving press an excuse to fluff the dp. If he has something important to say he will say it w/o four solid pages of you two bickering back and forth for people to wade through. Just stop.
I would caution my scum buddy not to give away too many slips if I were you, too 😉
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@Vader
Because he town reads you as a Miller with no FoS on you, which I think is odd. A miller is scummy
You are literally trying to pressure him to see me as scum. Town doesn’t do this.
Press, I’ve had you as scum for the start and that’s a start. I was weighing option for the next DP
You started to seek others, and then suddenly re-zeroed in on me with no discernible logical progression.
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Town, take note of Supa’s sudden behaviour change. He was starting to read others again, and then suddenly re-zeroed in on me with no discernible logical progression to be found.
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@Vader
I’ve never told people not to take their vote off DD
Then what was the pressure you put on Bullish for?
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@Vader
Lol tell me a post where I’ve told people to vote for you. Now your just lying press
When did I ever say this? Now you’re just making up phantom points to try and incriminate me, SupaScum.
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I also find it funny that Supa and DD are trying desperately to pressure people that voted DD out of their votes, as demonstrated by the latest round of posts against Bullish.
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@Vader
I’m scum read you this entire fucking game and have given my logic. I’ve said that my vote is coming out tonight. Please tell where the out of the blue is? This is manipulation and lying
Why is it that you and DD are suddenly becoming more agitated with your posts? Afraid of losing your scum bud? ;)
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@Speedrace
I think Warren and Supa are both town, as well as crocodile
Can you please explain why you think Supa and Croc are town
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I genuinely have to know if you people are serious right now.I don't want to claim but if you idiots are actually going to lynch me over nothing at all then I will have no choice.
I sense a bit of desperation and salt 🧂 in your post here.
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Post 168:I’m not ready to go forth with DiscVTL Press
Another sudden vote out of the blue with no prior posts linking to it.
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Looking through the DP, my highest scumreads are still DD and Supa, but I really don’t like the sheeping and fluff posts from littlecookie and crocodile (the former has made very slightly more contributions to town than the latter).
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@Vader
You clearly haven’t read the wiki.
This is not done merely out of greed though, Amaram legitimately believes that he is doing the right thing and is willing to sacrifice a few men for the greater good. Meridas thinks that as a practiced Shardbearer he can potentially save thousands of his men by sacrificing only a handful. Even still, Amaram's pragmatism wars with his honor and the result is the sense of guilt he often experiences for the things that he has done.[9] This causes him to internally questioning his own judgement and decisions, even while acting outwardly confident. For instance he tried to justify his betrayal to Kaladin. It is this guilt that causes him to show some measure of mercy to Kaladin by merely branding him a slave instead of killing him as well. For the most part though, Amaram is able to ignore this guilt in the pursuit of his lofty goals. Ultimately, it seems that Amaram believes himself to be an honorable man,[3] just one who is willing to go to lengths that others would not.[10]
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Unvote vtl cookieDropped by and could have said something a little more substantial but didn't, as opposed to those who have not shown up and may have simply not had time to contri
Hit em with that sudden vote swap
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@Vader
I did. Your character is scummy as hell. He’s an antagonist for sure. Idk how a miller claim can be shaped
If you read the wiki, you would know that Meridas Amaram is an “ends justify the means” type of guy. He didn’t do the malevolent actions that he did out of greed or malice, but because he genuinely believed he was doing the right and noble thing, just that he was willing to go further than most.
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why are you talking like it is decided that either press or I must be lynched? We could easily both be town and it is way too early in the DP to be getting that kind of tunnel vision.
Here, it is evident that DD sees that townies aren’t going with him, so he backpedals to try and regain towncred.
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@Vader
Looked at Wiki. I didn’t see anything positive about this person. He was a piece of shit awarded by pieces of shit for being a piece of shit
You clearly haven’t looked at the wiki.
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@WaterPhoenix
He saw the post and saw the first few lines but didn't read or listen to the part where you said your character's name in the first few lines?
Post 53
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@Bullish
Post 70 refutes what he’s trying to say here
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@WaterPhoenix
I think that he probably did just misread.
This could be the case if the name was within a long block of text. But it wasn’t. It was literally the first two words. This shows he clearly doesn’t care about the information he’s getting back. As I explained in previous posts, this is indicative of scum investigating.
Wouldn't scum care more about a character claim than town would?
The main purpose of scum investigating is to get the person lynched. They wouldn’t pay much attention to the info presented.
How does him "misreading" (in quotes cause nothing's certain here) it lead to him being scum?
As I explained in a previous post, town would focus on the info, as it directly benefits them. This isn’t the case for scum whose sole purpose of investigating is to get the person lynched.
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@Vader
The actions of people were based on cards and NP tracks and cops had little to no effect on the game. The game analysis was based mostly off behavior, and not NP actions
So the analysis was based off of behaviour... and your current read on me isn’t?
You said I didn't apply logic in Poker. That's a counter
RM was the one doing all of the info hunting and rationalizing, not you lol.
It doesn't matter, you instantly voted DD, it took you much longer for Speed. You are tunneling DD and me at this point. To say you have equal aggression is simply not true. If it was equal, you would not be voting DD yet
DD is rapidly imploding as we speak (but of course you’re going to deny this and continue defending your scum partner lol). Speed didn’t.
Because it isn't
You saying it’s not a scum slip doesn’t make it not a scum slip.
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So am I not allowed to agree with people? Me and Disc aren't the most alike thinkers in the world by any means. This isn't us just teaming. My lynch is not on you right now, and his is. You are getting very close though
I’m gonna leave this one for town
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@Vader
My role links to my character overall, so that's a justification
There’s no way for us to verify this until you reveal both.
I also know Lunatic gives fake claims out for role justifications as well.From my Wiki search, Anamaras was a shit person. He betrayed a lot of people and had a lot of influence. He was a murderer and a thief. My guess is that this is his actual character but was given fake claims to choose.Given the reaction to this, Press is my #1 choice of lynch
Stay mad that you are inherently acting scummy and we are picking up on that
The only person here who’s mad is you lol
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@Discipulus_Didicit
honestly I was tempted to town read press before post 53, but now I am starting to think that his whole "scum pay less attention" thing might have been him projecting. Perhaps he pays less attention as scum, in which case post 51 is pretty damning
Nice joke lol
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@Vader
1. We are the same age, so saying bud to me has effectively no meaning, and that's no disrespect.
I’m 9 months older, but sure.
2. Poker Mafia =/= regular mafia. The game was based off of card draws and roles based on cards. You were near radio silent and were lurking. I said my mistake in killing you over Croc. I'm not gonna say it again. That's a much different scenario and situationThis lowkey kinda pissed me off. That mafia game was strictly behavior analysis overall with some influence in NP.
So was it based off of card draws or behaviour analysis?
The Croc NK on oro was a gambit that paid off for scum because Speed was leading the team. That doesn't make sense
Don’t know what this has to do with anything said here but ok.
Your vote was never on Speed because you were never pressured. You seemed very relaxed versus now, where you are tunneling me and Disc
You really need to reread the 13 reasons why mafia.
your OMGUS on something that is not a scum slip is making me suspicious. Your behavior is in sharp contrast.
You saying it’s not a scum slip doesn’t make it not a scum slip.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
In post 53 you are responding to quotes from me yet in your response instead of saying "you" you are saying "he" indicating that you didn't notice that I (DD) was the one you were talking to. You probably thought you were talking to pie in post 53.Should I scum read you for missing this detail or do you think scum reading someone for missing a small detail is silly?
In that post I was addressing town, not you. There is a reason I do this. I know that your job as scum is to deflect attention away from yourself. You will try every tactic in the book to reach this end, including drawing out the conversation for so long that it devolves into nothingness.
But sure, let’s say for the fun of it that I meant to address you but used the wrong pronoun. That still pales in comparison to what you did. In your investigation, you clearly wanted two things: a name and a justification. If you were town, you would’ve paid attention to those to things. You clearly didn’t pay attention to the first, when it was literally the first two words of the post.
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Scum contemplating with scum in a way that they try to make genuine. Alright.
Supa continuing his act of trying to gain towncred by appearing as the “voice of reason”.
DD trying to dig up something... anything to try and discredit my read on him.
Supa and DD agreeing with basically everything the other says expect for a few minor details artificially thrown in so that town doesn’t get TOO sus.
This is a circus act by scum.
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I am not going to vote you solely off a Miller as you can see.
SupaScum once again reassures us that he is definitely not part of the mislynch (if it does happen) to gain towncred.
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@Vader
I've been recently watching and playing live mafia with experts such as Lunatic, Mikal, YYW, etc. I have been studying their play and trying to improve my plan based on them. I am learning a lot from their play taking parts I like and using it in my game. Yes I am pressuring you now because of it as I am more aware. I also learned that Miller's should immediately full claim in order to digest it properly. I'm not scum reading you, and am unwilling to put my vote on you. But you're role is inherently scummy.
Sure, bud. You really didn’t seem to apply their principles to Poker mafia, though 🤔
I can still make good observations about your play right now. I have seen your aggressiveness toward DD as much different than your first Miller play, which to be fair to you, DD is pressuring you.
Reread DP1 of 13 reasons why. I was just as aggressive, if not more, towards Speed (I think I VTL’d him at one point for suggesting a character for me).
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Speed makes an important point in post 28: The fact that I did the exact same thing here as I did in 13 reasons why (claim miller first, then give justification when someone else asked).
This is important for another reason than implied by Speed. SupaDudz was in that game, and he was town. There, he never called out my early miller claim. He just went with the flow and made good observations along the way. That seemed much more in line with his regular town play. Here, though, he’s suddenly calling out my claim (even after I full claimed, suggesting that I’m “lying” about it), completely contrary to what town Supa did in 13 reasons why mafia.
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Funny thing is that in the same post that he says I supposedly didn't read his statement he simultaneously says that I did read the post and that is why I didn't ask for justification a second time according to him.
I said that he saw the post, but clearly didn’t bother reading through it. He probably saw a large chunk of letters and said “yup looks like justification, but still lacking the name.”
The idea that I did read the post and simply missed the name (which is what actually happened)
It was literally the first thing in that post. Allow me to ask: How did he “simply miss” the name if he was actually reading the post and cared about the information within? He probably didn’t care about the information, which is why he missed the first thing I stated in the post. As I stated previously, this is indicative of scum investigating.
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For town, I would like to highlight one crucial point.
There is a huge difference between genuine town investigation and attempting to build a wagon. In the former, the investigator is actively looking for information and will ask questions that are substantive. Once the important questions are all answered, the investigator will move on. In the latter, the whole point of the investigation is to ask a long series of questions in an attempt to get the target to slip up and get lynched, to which the scum will then say “he seemed scum”.
Town investigation is information-oriented. They will pay close attention to what the person has to say, as it could be important for town. Scum investigation is person-oriented. They don’t care about what the person has to say if it isn’t a slip-up. They won’t pay close attention.
In this case, DD asked me for my character’s name, even though I provided it already in the post prior. He obviously saw the post, as he didn’t say I still needed the justification. He asked the question regardless of my response, not realizing that I had already covered it. He isn’t paying attention to the information, only to the target. This is highly indicative of scum trying to set up a wagon.
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Sounds a bit OMGUSTop scum read is Press ATM
Classic scum tactic: VTLing with your very first post and calling out the OMGUS (in this case it’s the scum partner doing so to divert attention). A tactical weapon used so that the target is limited in their options to fight back against the scum utilizing this strategy.
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@ILikePie5
@WaterPhoenix
What do you guys think of this so far?
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Name
Scumslip.
DD is trying so hard to build a wagon on me that he forgot to read.
VTL DISC
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Meridas Amaram.
I am a general in Sadeas’ princedom who protects Alethkar’s borders against other princedoms and nations. For this, many look up to me as a noble figure. However, my character’s also done some pretty terrible things to achieve his ends, like killing his own soldiers and stealing their bounty. Once this was found out, my character became hated, even though his intentions were still for good. Because of this, I am miller.
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@ILikePie5
What do you have planned then if RM flips town or there turns out to be 4 scum?
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