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There ain't no might be. You need a living society in order to fight for the rights and freedoms of that society.

I'm sorry I didn't see the word "no" in your original response, ok.

Why makes a person defenceless and a dog not?

When a dog is equipped with protection,  that dog is not defenseless. The opposite is true for a person.

Why do we have sexual jealousy?

You say a few abortions you don't think makes a whole deal of difference.

Will a lot make a whole deal of it?

In terms of what they're capable of doing, what does the dog do right that you do wrong?

So even dogs see wrongness in killing a defenseless person you're saying.

Well let's say we're talking about a pro abortionist that believes in human rights.

I believe when I said "a pro abortionist"  , you yourself assumed that meant "all".

Key language there " a pro abortionist" .

This individual believes in human rights and freedoms. But they need a living thriving society for that. 

So how many abortions until the line is drawn?

I don't think the pro choice/pro abortion individual has thought that far. Their mind is focused on current day political situations that will ensure somebody has right of their autonomy.

Now looking at this on a cumulative scale, this right is protected over and over, what is the result?

The pro choice/pro abortion supporter will have to relinquish or side with the parent that is opposed, the pro-life stance.

Gotten away from the subject but since I saw this , I'll ask about it.

Do you think sexual abstinence is a superior form of birth control than any other contraception?

Let's think about it. How many abortions will a pro abortionist be in favor of until they have to reject abortion in order for society not to die out?

Let's think about it. How many abortions will a pro abortionist be in favor of until they have to reject abortion in order for society not to die out?

For the sake of the platform , I somewhat remain anonymous.

A good reason being is because I try to remain non bias when it comes to debating. That would also mean no individual can hold a pre-judged, pre-determined bias of me. Although there are those that somehow carry one in attempt to misrepresent , mis-characterize my arguments.

If you notice, I sway either side of the topics.

But I'll say this from what can be an objective perception or view. I see many religious charlatans under many titles to include christian. There are those who are genuine and those who are false prophets, false preachers, false teachers. As the other individual mentioned about scams, there are scammers.

It's basically what the scripture says "You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy."

So it was a way for pagans to still remain active under the guise of "Christianity" if I understand all this.

So the pagan aimed to take a God not proven to be false to corrupt with falsehood.

My question would be what did it serve the pagan by inventing three personalities in the godhead?

I think it's more to unpack there.

I always thought it was misinterpretation of scripture that perpetuated this doctrine.

I could tell you that but I 'll let 1 Corinthians 8:6 tell you, there is but ONE GOD the father.

Do you see the pattern with this?

This is why this trinity thing is being opened up.

Where is the scripture that says the father is the first , the son is the second and the holy ghost is the third person?

Where did this ranking come from?

Doesn't this position eventually have to relinquish and turn pro life?

Are we naturally monogamous?

Why or why not?

I'll answer with Deuteronomy 6:4.

Hear O Israel , The LORD our God, the LORD is one

I can understand that the dog won't view itself as doing something wrong but you still find wrongness with the dog.

Someone saying an animal non person is moral or more so completely has no merit to us.

Where you taught the trinity from the bible?

If you were taught from the Bible, why didn't it include about the teaching of one God?

1 Timothy 3:16

Without controversy......it starts with and yet the debate rages on today.

A great mystery but God was manifested in the flesh.

1 John 5 and 7

Where it says these three are one, the Father, the word, the holy Spirit....

My question is ..these three what?

Yes the son prayed to the father.

What was your point on mentioning that?

Good question. Why do you ask or what makes you wonder that?

Christianity is a man made religion. Totally non biblical.

It stands to reason that christians so called are seen as hypocritical or labeled as such.

How many christians you think are actually holy?

If you can't solve all your problems including mortality, so much for high IQ.

Christians and atheists nowadays are the same.

Atheists are secular and worldly and today's christians are much like the world.

What is meant by person as in "three persons"?

What is meant by person as in "three persons"?

The trinity is a false biblical doctrine.  Depending on how it is defined may make a difference.

So you're saying it's a mystery even to it being one God or more.

Have you been taught about the trinity or only told about it?

When you say of this dimension and that dimension, are you communicating more than one God?

When you say "they are one", is that more than one spirit?

Then you say three essences. What is essence, a nature?

Is this something you've been told or taught?

Is there or is there not something wrong with a dog killing a defenseless person?

No takers. 

Not hard questions by the way .

No tricks, no "gotcha" questions.

So there is nothing wrong about a dog killing a defenseless person. Is that your position?

Join in the forum.

I like to pick somebody's brain on this.

Somebody that's well versed or has a good understanding on the trinity doctrine.

I just have some questions. The way I titled this I put in that order intentionally.

Everybody that knows a thing or two real well about this, participate.

What does the dog do right that you do wrong ?

All is well comrade. I do suggest to not antagonize or fight hostile with anyone.

Let it roll off your back. Leave these things simply as discussions.

I'm not making any assumptions. I'm just throwing possibilities out there.

Oh maybe struggle is not the right word. Let's say, having trouble understanding.

Then there are people on this planet that actually aren't persons or people.

Interesting according to this .

How do you know a dog has moral value?

Proof is that which is. Evidently the same constitution of truth, reality.

That which is so.

Leaving that standard there instead of compartmentalizing, categorizing evidence as strong , weak, little, a lot , some, throws people off. Evidence or proof is either there or it isn't to show something to be the case.

Nothing to have you to continue believing. People believe things without evidence so let's not mix all this up in a scientific blender.

But what has a baby done to deserve heaven?

Now with the abortion, God may have mercy on the baby , have them enter into his kingdom. But throw the aborting doctors and parents into the lake of fire.

Do you think people struggle with the idea namely atheists that the narrative of God is all knowing which plays a big part in what's reasonable and justified?

Babies and children are innocent by nature is that correct?

I'm referring to the mercy of forgiving sins, even what you see subjectively as the worst of sins.

Do I think atheists will go to hell?

According to scriptures, yes.

Is that it?