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Let us begin with one of my favorite :
1."The quran provides that the length of a normal gestation (pregnancy) is six months (Luqman 31:14; al-Baqarah 2:233; al-Ahqaf 46:15). Luqman 31:14 and al-Baqarah 2:233 provide a nursing period of 24 months. Al-Ahqaf 46:15 provides a total of 30 months for both gestation and nursing combined. This leaves only six months for the period of gestation. We know that this is not true. Normal gestation lasts nine months.
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2.the great whale carrying the earth on it's back , also the earth is flat
quran 68:1
and here I would like to reference islam wiki
while many islamic scholars deny this the 8 big books that explain the quran -the books of tafseer- mention it , which muslims return to to understand the quran like:
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Tafsir At-Tabari
At-Tabari mentions several interpretations. One of them is this:
هو الحوت الذي عليه الأرَضُون
It is a whale (الحوت), which on it the Earths.
At-Tabari tafsir on 68:1
In Islamic cosmology there are seven flat Earths, just like there are seven heavens:
Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them
They are placed on the whale like flapjacks on a plate, stacked one atop the other.
Tafsir Al-Qurtubi
Al-Qurtubi mentions several interpretations. One of them is that the Nun is the whale which is under the 7th (lowest) Earth:
نۤ> الحوت الذي تحت الأرض السابعة>
<Nun> - the whale (الحوت), which is under the Earth the seventh.
Tafsir Al-Qurtubi on 68:1 [9]
From his use of the word "tahat" or "under" it can be surmised that in Al-Qurtubi's cosmology the earth is seen as flat.
ِTafsir Al-Kabir (by Ar-Razi)
بالحوت الذي على ظهره الأرض وهو في بحر تحت الأرض السفلى
..with the whale (بالحوت) which over its back is the Earth and it is in the sea under the Earth (الأرض) the lowest.
Tafsir Al-Kabir on 68:1[10]
Al-Kabir here repeates the idea that there are multiple flat earths balanced on the back of the whale.
ِTafsir Fath Al-Qadir (by Shawkani)
This tafsir is from the 18th century and it mentions several interpretations. One of them is the idea that the world is carried on the back of a whale:
Hadith Al-Kafi (shia)
Hadith Al-Kafi, one of the most prestigious Shi'ite hadith, also confirms that a whale carries the earth upon its back:
H 14813 – From him, from Salih, from one of his companions, from Abdul Samad Bin Basheer, who has reported the following: Abu Abdullah (asws) has said that: ‘The whale which is carrying the earth secretly said to itself that it is carrying the earth by its own strength. So Allah (azwj) the High Sent to it a fish smaller than a palm’s length, and larger than a finger. So it entered in its gills and shocked it. It remained like that for forty days. Then Allah (azwj) Raised it and was Merciful to it, and Took it out. So whenever Allah (azwj) Intends the earth to be in a quake, He (azwj) Sends that (small) fish to that (big) fish. So when it sees it, it becomes restless, so the earth gets engulfed by the earthquake’.
Al-Kafi, vol. 8, part 6, [12]
Tafsir Al-Tusi (shia)
The first comprehensive Shia tafsir[13] says this about the Nun:
وقال ابن عباس - فى رواية عنه - إن النون الحوت الذى عليه الارضون
And said Ibn Abbas (ابن عباس) - in his narration - that Nun (النون) is a whale (الحوت) which on it are the Earths (الارضون).
Al-Tibbyan by Al-Tusi on 68:1 [14]
There is thus attestation of Nun the whale in both the Sunni and Shi'ite tradition.
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the rising and setting place of the sun
quran 18:86
the sun sets in muddy water spring
hadith :
a).Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water. - Sunan Abu Dawud 3991
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b).The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38) sahih bukhari
Quran 18:90:
Until, when he came to the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.
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and here's a few more scientific errors from the same website :
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@Stephen
1.religion would give the believers sense of superiority since they all believe that they are right and everybody else is wrong .
2.also making fun of the beliefs of others - the funniest thing about this is that each religion can see how ridiculous other religions are but they fail to see how ridiculous their own religion is - ,
3.feeling self-righteousness from worshiping the right god/s and following the true religion whichever one that your parents choose for you that is .
4.give you a direct enemy to hate and blame your wrongdoings , laziness , bad behavior on -usually the devil - you can shift all of your shortcomings to it's because of the devil , not just your shortcomings but also your human nature.
5.ask humans to deny their human nature , then offer relief via religious ritual
6. offer you a group or a camp to belong to with both allies and enemies being charted , now you know who you should befriend and who should be your enemy.
7. telling you a modern person how to live your life , because the wisdom of the ancients fallacy or Appeal to tradition
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@Stephen
and I would hate for atheism to end up becoming the same as those religions it's fighting against
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@Stephen
what I hate about organized religion is not the religion itself but how it becomes a tool ,
and by a tool I mean a political tool for politicians , a tool for preachers and evangelists to fill their pockets by deceiving the poor , or a tool to divide and spread hatred between people , by dividing them into camps , there's us and them , the believers in our god/religion VS everbody else who believes in anything else
and the most hated thing is how organized religion creates classes and hierarchy between people , some religions claim that they don't when they obviously do like islam .
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@Stephen
Most of the things that happened in myths did not happen on the Earth.So where are these "mythical" things happening, then Witch?
I'm very interested in hearing about this too
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@Polytheist-Witch
and for the thousandth time the scientific argument apply only on gods which are omnipotent ,claimed to have created the universe , and have claims of scientific miracles mentioned in their holy books
since your religion don't have a holy book the scientific argument doesn't apply to it , how many times should I repeat this
unlike islam which have the holy quran
holy quran in the verse 18.86 :
"the sun sets in a muddy pool of water"
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@Polytheist-Witch
many religions claim to be universal and claim that following any other religion will end you up -or should I say down- in hell
including :
the two abrahamic religion
islam
christianity
judaism
wait maybe not judaism
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm not telling people how to live their lives , I'm just placing parameters to help judge whether a religion is the true one or not
and since many argue about that , and many want to know the truth -about who created the universe they can either use the parameters mentioned before or place that's of their own
if you don't want to use the parameters I've mentioned before feel free to create your own parameters to judge religions - if you feel like looking for which religion to follow-
and why should you follow the true one ? to begin with , you have the right to believe whatever you want, many follow a certain religions because it's fun like The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
it's my favorite religion , it's definitely wrong according to my parameters , spaghetti is my fav food after MSG
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I'm just placing parameters to help people who want to look for and find which religion is true and which is wrong
and don't forget all religion could be wrong
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I'm including every organized religion in the world ,
if they have churches then they are no longer atheists , especially if they have Sunday assembly too
those people are trying to turn atheism into a religion , and some even asking pastors about how to organize a religious assembly
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@Polytheist-Witch
if you're not going to judge which religion to follow with science and logic , then how are you going to judge religion ?
with unreliable feelings and personal experiences ?
science : is the laws that govern the universe explained
and if I want to argue for god I'll say that god should be aware of the laws which it(god) created if it(god) existed
but this doesn't apply to the religions you represent since your god/gods didn't create the world
or is it because your parents and society told you that your religion is the only right and true one?
will guess what , you're not the only one , every single religious parent tell their children that about their religion
and there're many countries out there where religion is taught to children in schools
Not to mention how parents teach children who can't judge right from wrong their religion
and whether it's my business or not is not for you to decide
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@Polytheist-Witch
my scientific parameters only apply to religions that claim they have scientific miracles mentioned in their holy books
like islam :
all of them are misinterpreted words
they switch what arabic word means with one very similar and very close but means something else
or christianity :
same as muslims they switch the words meaning to fit scientific evidence into their book
or judaism:
or hindusim:
and many other religions
they just look in the scriptures for the closest thing to the latest scientific discoveries , if a word stand in your way then look for a similar looking word with different meaning or change the meaning of the word to meet what you need , then shove the discovery in your holy book.
now you can act smug and claim that your holy book contains knowledge that shouldn't have been known back then .
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all of them are misinterpreted words and if we invite a linguistical you will find that all of them are wrong ,
take islam , why don't they mention that allah mentioned how many months a woman needs to give birth ? because allah got it wrong even the stages mentioned by allah where the child is created as blood the the blood becomes bone then the bone get covered by flesh is obvously wrong.
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take the widening of the universe mentioned in the quran , the word is wasaa which means in arabic "can, or capable" they translated as waseaa which means widens now it's scientific miracle , the quran mentioned the widening of the universe 1400 years before they discover it , wasaa and waseaa are written the same in arabic and by switching them you'll need a linguistic -or someone that studied arabic for a very long time- to tell the difference .
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this reminds me in the moral parameters of islam :
muhammad lusted after his adopted sons wife
this is mentioned in the holy quran
his son divorced his wife just so that muhammad (his adoptive father) could marry her
his son response for his father's lusting after his wife was to say " as you wish or the chosen prophet of allah" and he divorced her so that his father would marry her
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@Polytheist-Witch
but many religions claim that they have scientific miracles mentioned in their text and people back then didn't know this and that
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@zedvictor4
if god can exist without a creator why can't the universe exist without a creator ?
if god came from nothing why can't our universe come to existence from nothing .
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@zedvictor4
exactly , the claim that god is eternal and existed since the beginning is as weak as the claim that we existed since the beginning
if god doesn't need a creator and god came from nothing , why didn't/can't we come from nothing ?
why didn't existence began 4.5-4.7 billion years ago
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the universe come to existence without a creator
and god came to existence without creator is the same claim .
Pantheism and Theism are extremely similar with the simple difference of one claims that reality and the universe is god while the other claims that god exist outside reality .
both claims of the universe keeping it's own laws since they came to existence along with it's laws , since the universe is god , and god needs no creator
while the other claims that god created the universe and god needs no creator
you can see that both are very similar
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we as a human beings have a limited life span , since it's pretty obvious we can't do an in depth study of all the religions out there , or in order to do that we will need multiple life times , however we can place multiple parameters to judge religion , and here I would like to mention few :
1.moral parameters :
parameter A
when we are judging the moral values mentioned by that religion and this is just half of that , like we will not accept any religion that's ok with eating living humans , allows the marriage of little children , or discriminate with homosexuals ,
**ignore the part of discriminating with homosexuals since in ancient time s the number of people living on earth was very small and they needed every one to contribute to the community and continuing and helping the survival of the human race along with the abysmal chance of survival of babys
but that is not accepted today .
parameter B
the moral values of the person carrying the message of god ,in other words the chosen person by that god to send his message :
let us say this a child rapist enter your house and tells you I'm chosen by god to deliver his message would you :
a.call the police.
b.call the police
c. call the f***ing police
and don't tell me that back then it was OK since the person chosen by god should know that this is wrong for one of two reasons :
1. he/she take their moral values from their god
2. god is omnipotent being and should have known that in the future people will see this as wrong .
--this is where the prophet of islam fails in his marriage from 6 years old child where he consummated his marriage with her at 9 -Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 , Book 67, Hadith 70 ,Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 65-
add to that that muhammad had no children with aisha , he had children with other wives but most of them died but only two he didn't have children with
1. was too old to have children
2.was too young (9 years old or less) to have any children
--this is also where many hindu gods fail , the list is too tall to be mentioned at once --
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now that we cleared the moral parameters we move to the next
the scientific parameters :
religion needs to provide a scientific evidence to be reviewed and checked by both linguistical experts in the language of the original text and scientist to check whether it's true or false take islam for example :
they claim that god mentioned the stages of the creation of the embryo , sadly though not only it's wrong but allah got the number of months women get pregnant wrong ,I think I mentioned the widening of the universe before , and how they deceive with similar words
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now that we cleared the previous two we can move to the third one
the logical parameters :
basically no supernatural elements -you might as will discard all religions here-
and I don't mean just supernatural creature like werewolves , vampires , angels , demons ,,,,,oh wait GOD too
I'm talking about stories like that of hercules
-people splitting the moon or the red sea
-walking on water or on air
-reviving the dead: -why every time they revive the dead , the dead talk about everyday matters ? shouldn't they talk about god , hell , angels , demons , heaven and start praying sincerely and praising god-
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I mean we live in this world and we have analyze it with science and such feats can't be achieved now let alone back then
at the very least a very strong evidence supporting such acts of the supernatural
unlike the prophet of islam muhammad who split the moon and yet no one saw it other than the arabs living around mecca , who also happen to be all muslim believers ,every single one narrating this story was a muslim
chinese people who worship the moon/(believed immortals lived there) didn't see it , the maya and inka didn't see it (they sacrifice people everyday so the sun would come up the next day), Achaemenid Empire didn't see it , the roman empire didn't see it , people living in africa didn't see it ,
no one on earth other than
only muhammad , his follower and the believers of islam saw it .
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also muhammad went to outer space and beyond on the back of al-buraq -a mythical creature that looks like a donkey but with wings/flying donkey-
forgot to mention outer space doesn't have oxygen/air to breath
pretty hard to miss since humans need to breath in order to stay alive and suffering from asphyxiation can be both memorable and painful
or that the earth is a sphere
please provide a similar case to a religion of your own choosing
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@RationalMadman
it's not ,it's medical problem with the catheter being connected to the wrong place .
just imagine having this issue and getting judged for it , especially when everybody around you is ignorant and extremely religious ,
imagine having it in a country where the law have the death penalty for homosexuality, you'd probably end up but to death for something you can't control
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@Polytheist-Witch
don't most religions claim one of those
1.god created humans in the perfect shape ,
2.god have a plan for everyone ?
3.religions tend to be extremely homophobic take islam and christianity for example.
perfect shape? a dude that cums from his @ss ?
what are god's plans for this dude? , actually he is quite lucky to be born in our age if he was born like few centuries back he would probably be crucified or executed for having this medical issue. why ? homophobia .
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if logic Doesn't apply to god how do we decide which god should we follow ?
after all god/s(it) is beyond our limited human logic ,
if we argue about the supernatural nonsense written in any holy book or religion they will tell you god created the world so he can do it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
and if you argue about their god/s actions they will tell you that you can't understand the logic of a supreme omnipotent being with your limited logic
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when arguing with a religious person , whenever you try to apply logic to their god you'll hear the saying "our human logic doesn't apply to god/gods" ,or "god/gods is omnipotent and logic doesn't apply to it "
so here is a questions
1.how are we humans supposed to discuss god if logic doesn't apply to it
2.if god is omnipotent then every single god/gods from each religion has the chance of being the true god since god is omnipotent + logic doesn't apply to it + god can do whatever it wants
by saying logic doesn't apply to god and god is omnipotent being you're not asserting the existence of your god , you're saying that each and every god out there have a chance of being the true one , since we can't judge god to begin with and they all could be wrong too
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1.muslims claim that there's only one god and god wouldn't take a wife or a child, why ? because if there's 2 gods and they had different opinions they will have a fight , your judging god according to human logic you're telling god what he can and can't do .
2.hindu claim that god took a wife and had children to teach us the importance of building a family as it's the corner stone of society , but that's also according to our human logic if you ask them how do they decide things if two gods have 2 different opinions , they will tell you that's the matter of the gods and our logic doesn't apply to them .
3.christains claim there's one god with different vessels , I argued with a christian and he said ,:"it's something like an pc rpg , you can play a worrior ,a mage,or an assassin , you are the player controlling them , each one is different but you are one , god is one but he is represented by multiple being , vessel "
but that is also according to our human logic.
religious people telling god what he should and shouldn't do
also judging god according to our limited human logic
but when it's our turn to apply logic to their god/s we are doing something wrong after all logic doesn't apply to god
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this may look confusing but basically religious people apply logic to god/s when it's convenient for them. when it's not, logic doesn't apply to their god/s
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I don't understand why everybody is so fixated on the big bang theory , it's not the only theory describing the beginning of the world , there are multiple theories describing the beginning of the world out there , the big bang theory is just the most famous one , there's the black hole cosmology , I recall a physicist from the university I was studying at published a different one that doesn't need a god ,
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there are many theories discussing this topic and each one has both strong points -where it can describe/explain a certain phenomenon in the universe well- and weak points - where it falls short or can't describe or explain such phenomenon-
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@zedvictor4
christian ? I'm not christian , I'm against all organized religion
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@Tradesecret
1. I think you haven't read enough about the evolution theory , it has many powerful evidence supporting it including:
a. the similarity between embryos between different species
b.the chimps dna is 98% similar to that of humans , I don't intent to list the similarity between us and other species and between each species but looking at it you will find a step by step evolution from creatures living underwater to living in both water and land to living on land
c. the similarities between human's skeleton and chimpanzee's skeleton
d.the eyes and how similar they are to simple organs that can detect light.
: here are mentioned more evidences that support the evolution theory
unlike the creation theory where adam and eve got send out of heaven by god the evolution theory have strong evidence supporting it
unless god chose 2 chimps and blessed them turning them into adam and eve
2. big bang : that's why it's still a theory and it's not the only theory explaining the beginning of the universe , there's also the Black hole cosmology
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@Lemming
hating the religion doesn't mean hating people who follow it ,we judge people based on their personalities not their religions
but we judge religions based on their teachings , god/gods , ideologies , history and many other things , the actions of the person delivering the message of god (since he's god chosen)
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@Intelligence_06
intellagence
how much of science is needed to reach that far ?
if someone came and said the iphone existed in the stone age would you believed him
some of those actions can't be achieved today with the technology and yet they are done by people who lived in stone/bronze age
many others are very hard even with technology , the red sea's max depth is 2,211 m and someone split it with a cane do you know how crazy that is
witch
yes you can
hating the religion doesn't mean hating people who follow it ,we judge people based on their personalities not their religions
but we judge religions based on their teachings , god/gods , ideologies , history and many other things
I'm talking about religion and racist ideologies
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@Lemming
I agree with you on those points ,but as I mentioned before why should I respect such a religion or any religion
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@Lemming
witch
do you not hate christianity for allowing slavery ? prohibiting homosexuality ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,etc
would you hate a christian person for his religion and belief ? no you would judge his personality right
I don't hate muslims , I'm ok with having muslim friends and I would judge them based on their personality
but I hate islam for allowing slavry , prohibiting homosexuality , I hate the prophet of islam for sleeping with 9 years old child , for being a male gold digger for owning slave and trading with slaves ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,etc
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God is not good nor is it bad, God wouldn't interfere in the world -under the assumption that god do exist-
god is just a judge,
if you're good, Then you go to heaven, Reincarnate in good environment, , , , , , , , Etc
if you're bad you go to hell, Reincarnate badly
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an agnostic, I don't believe in organized religion, But if god do
existed, It wouldn't interfere with reality, And all the religions where
god interfere with reality are obviously wrong, At the very least in
this life, So if you expect god to pull off some miracle and reverse
gravity just because you prayed and asked him to, Then I'm sorry to disappoint
you but, But we live in reality and not in some fantasy world, And god
is just an observer at the very least in this life, At the very least
god wouldn't interfere with reality in this life, If praying could solve
problems then why do we need the police, The army, Doctors, Prisons, , ,
, , Etc.
God wouldn't interfere with reality because if he does it
will restrain the freedom of choice of people in this life, Rendering
his right of judging them in the afterlife invalid, This is evil but
it's people's/humans's evil not god's evil
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why should god help you ?
are you narcissistic that you believe that god should leave all the children and the people suffering from malnutrition and lack of food and life necessity and interfere with reality just to help you , because you have faith, then you should see a psychotherapist to solve your narcissism
would the death of the ants living under our bed by other ants matter to you ? what if those ants are worshiping you as a god ? would you really care ?
the answer is no
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if god interfered with reality in this life god would lose his right to judge in the afterlife, since the punishment/reward have already been delivered
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organized religion
God doesn't have an organized religion, organized religion is usually due to one's parents and his geographic location
" how many religions do you really know ? only one and yet you're so sure that it's the right one ? why ? , because your parents and society told you so ? you're not the only one "
people from other religions in areas where those religions are dominant have been told the same ,
god wouldn't judge people based on the geographic location of their birth or whom they were birthed to .
since that would be unfair
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god created nature placed the laws that govern it and then lift it alone .
god doesn't control nature , natural disasters , cause diseases , disabilities ,,,,,,etc
while god did place the laws govern them he just lift after that and doesn't interfere with it
but nature shows us how god is not evil nor good but neutral just by being the same
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god judge people based on actions/circumstances
this is why god wouldn't interfere with reality in this life
if god interfered with reality in this life god would lose his right to judge in the afterlife, since the punishment/reward have already been delivered
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if your religion tell stories about magic , or magical creatures , or about people with super powers then you've been lied to
this include : reviving the dead , stones walking , people flying . animals talking , walking on water , walking in the air , angels , devils , dragons , fairies, going to outer space on flying donkeys ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,etc
spoiler alert : our world is science based NOT magic . fantasy , or supernatural based world in case you didn't know
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note that god will not reverse the direction of gravity no matter how hard you pray or how strong your faith is , this applies to all the humans on the world .
under the same logic if you're expecting god to interfere with the world just to solve your problem then you're in for a big disappointment .
god is just a judge who would judge people if they are good the meet a good end , reincarnate , go to heaven,,,,,,,,no one know but he will treat them good
bad people would meet bad in the afterlife or in their next life or whatever
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why is it that people are willing to believe magical stories that they would have dismissed as nonsense once they are mentioned under religion ,
many of the stories mentioned under religion are just crazy and if you remove the religious background of the story it would be placed under fiction and if someone came and told the story - without the religion- , you would probably tell them that they are lying , because such thing can't happen at the world
or at the very least not on our world .
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when I hold the bible or the quran and read them , I feel like I'm living in a magical world like I've entered the world of harry potter.
but when I look at reality I remember that I'm living in a science based world , and magic just doesn't exist ,
many of the stories mentioned in religion wouldn't be believed by anyone if you remove the religious background of it and if someone came to you and told it to you and said something like this really happened in the world , you would be like WTF man at least try to keep the lie within the believable limits so ,since when did our world have such fantasy based elements ?
is our world based on magic like how those holy books portray it ?
splitting the red sea with a cane ?
talking with animals ?
going to outer-space (and beyoned) on the back of living being ? (how did they breath out there)
flying on swords ?
splitting the moon ? (no one saw it , very irresponsible move that would have left our planet moonless and effected the tides)
walking on water ?
reviving the dead (why the F*** are they talking about mundane daily life stuff/ shouldn't they be like " you should believe in god , hell is real , heaven is real , and spend every second worshiping since they found the truth ?)?
so much more illogical stories that have been achieved by the people who lived thousands of years ago
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now think about those stories , someone came to you and told you did you know our neighbor split the red sea with a cane would you take him seriously ?
or he went to outer space on the back of a donkey would you believe that
or split the moon
or revived the dead from their graves
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why is we accept those stories when they come from religion but without religion they become just nonsense
is our world magic based ?,
does our world have such a thing ?,
is our world not science based ,
why don't you people replicate any of those acts ? , feel free to use your faith in any way you like to achieve that .
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religion is evil because it's either deceiving people or being (allowing) deceived by people .
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@Tradesecret
respect is earned , and looking at the behavior of the religious people following islam including -but not limited to- :
1.how far they are willing to go to prevent people from offering any criticism or satire towards islam ,
2.how willing they are to force reinterpretations and alter the meaning of words in their books just to forcefully include scientific discoveries , I learned arabic since I was young along with other languages and I know that all the scientific nonsense you claim mentioned in the holy Quran is just misinterpreted words
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(one example wasaa , which muslims claim that it means widen in the scientific discovery of how the quran mentions the widens of the universe since people who don't know arabic wouldn't know the truth , waseaa means widen in arabic , wasaa means can , capable , in that verse and not widens yet unless you learn arabic for years you wouldn't know that , wasaa and waseaa may look similar but they are very different )
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3.crazy Ideologies : multiple Ideologies that muslims teach their children -especially in the middle east- cause their children to have the seeds which would turn them into terrorists -including :
1. don't fear death
2. defend allah and muhammad with your own lives
3. 72 vergins in the afterlife
4.you must love muhammad more than yourself, your money , your parents , your wife and children otherwise you will not enter heaven
5. the quran is the answer to everything and the quran can never be wrong
and many more
out of 21 muslim countries
13 have the death penalty for homosexuality in their laws .
5 have indefinite imprisonment for homos .
islam have the death penalty for homosexuality and mentioned the story of the people of lut/lot where allah punish those people for their sexual orientation mentioned in the holy quran
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I say that islam is not worthy of any respect
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@Polytheist-Witch
I hate islam NOT muslims , Not just islam I hate all the three abrahamic religions equally along with many other religions
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@Tradesecret
just ask any muslim " is sahih al bukhari wrong ---------------------------- then mention the hadith " they will begin trying to change the topic since if they say , yes it's wrong they become as mentioned before
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@Tradesecret
the evidence -ironically- is provided by Muslim scholars
of which if muslims denied they will become abostates since denying sahih bukhari and the other four books is what muslims call kufer -apostastasy/infidelity-
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@Reece101
organized religion ? NO
just reading those fantasy/magic stories mentioned in the holy books is enough to bore you to death , also you'll think you're living in the world of harry potter
let me give you few examples ;
flying to outer space and beyond to download tablets from the -god above- the cloud
parting the red sea in like 6000 BC wtf peaple back then were living in the stone age
talking with animals prophet solomon ,islam , and know we know where disney princess ideas came from
turning water to wine , walking on water , raising -reviving- the dead ; the great necromancer Jesus , if you claim that you can revive the dead 2000 years ago you should expect to end up crucified , this is called f***ing logic , many people died for far less offenses then that.
fly to outerspace and beyond on flying donkey 1400 years ago ,prophet muhammad , do I even need to comment on how absurd , stupid , and absurdly stupid this is .
volcano erupting because god is angry , thunder smiting people for blasphemy , earthquakes , plagues 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 why the f*** would anybody believe that such thing is related in way or shape to god do you people still live in the dark ages ? or maybe before that in the stone age , not only do we know why thunder happens , why volcanos erupt , what causes earthquakes , what causes plagues but we also can replicate the conditions that causes them , creating man made disasters ,we can emulate those , are we GODS now ?
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here is a list of creatures which exist only in religion:
dragons
vampires
werewolves
flying donkeys that traverse outer space and beyond -I can't help but wonder how do they breath ?-
fairies
giants
djinn
demons
angels
unicorns
griffins
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now religious people will come out and tell you let us argue using logic ; RIP logic , how the f*** do you discuss fantasy using logic ?
the entire religious argument for the existence of their god is based on -just because you didn't went to china or seen china doesn't mean that china doesn't exist -
in this case it's true but replace china with wakanda and it's false
just because you never seen a unicorn/dragon/vampire/angel/demon/djinn/giant/fairy/werewolf/flying donkey/griffin doesn't mean they don't exist ? right ? the answer is wrong even though I've never seen any of those I'm 100% sure that none of them actually exist , and just because you saw some scorched earth doesn't mean a dragon passed here .
just because we exist doesn't mean that god exist or your god exist , and just because your daddy told you our god -which we believe in- exist doesn't make it the truth.
you need to question everything and verify the facts and the truths until you find the right religion or abandon all religion since it's totally worthless , one needs to make sure that they made the right choice here , lies and double faced religions should be eliminated .
each should pass multiple phases of scientific , moral , and logical assessments before they are judged to whether they are right or wrong
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@Deb-8-a-bull
it seems like you've never heard of lunar eclipse'
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lunar
/ˈluːnə/
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adjective: lunar
- of, determined by, or resembling the moon."a lunar eclipse"
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late Middle English: from Latin lunaris, from luna ‘moon’.
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@Lemming
when we are judging normal people , when you want to judge someone that represent the moral values of an entire religion or claims to be a man chosen by god to share his message , prophet mohammad's religion tell people how to live their lives , what to do and what not to do and even tell them about morality what's morally ok and what's morally not ok according to allah , islam and mohammad
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@FLRW
the existence of any god is yet to be proven , and yet you are accusing such a being of committing a crime ?
unlike the prophet which his existence is indeed proven , the existence of any god in the world and which god is that haven't been proven yet
so unless you're claiming and admitting that the christian god is the true creator god and do exist , you're basically accusing a non existent being of committing a crime.
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@FLRW
you should argue about this with christians , I'm not a christian I'm agnostic
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1. muhammad was a child rapist :
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that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she
was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine
years (i.e. till his death).
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
In-book reference
: Book 67, Hadith 70
USC-MSA web (English) reference
: Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 65
In-book reference
: Book 67, Hadith 70
USC-MSA web (English) reference
: Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 65
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2. he lusted after his adopted son's wife -zinab bit jahsh- , Qur'an 33:37
his adopted son mindset was " I'm so lucky to have the greatest man alive wanting my wife , I'll just divorce her , IF only I was a woman to marry the prophet "
just to show you how much brain damage one need to have to join such a cult.
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3. he was a male gold digger -used the money from his first wife after her death to marry 12 more and built his own theocracy -(she was his sugar mummy) NOTHING can say I love you more than using all your money to marry 12 more woman after you especially that muhammad didn't dare to marry any other wife back when she was alive.
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4. he was incestuous - his adopted son's wife was also his own cousin "zinab bit jahsh "-
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5.he took over 100000 slaves and distribute them among his followers and the believers in his religion over multiple wars and battles with the disbelievers of the tribes around him , muhammad cared about ending the slavery of muslims as for non-muslims their slavery is totally fine in islam.
muhammad did free many slaves but all of them happen to be muslims
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6. encouraged child marriage :
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet (ﷺ) himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.
While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet (ﷺ) himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region.
Collection
Sahih Bukhari
Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 5079
In-book reference
Book 67, Hadith 17
USC-MSA web (English) reference
Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith 16
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7.anyone that insult islam/ muhammad must die :
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse -insult- the Prophet (ﷺ) and
disparage -insult- him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but
she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander -insult- the
Prophet (ﷺ) and abuse -insult- him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly,
pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was
smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the
Prophet (ﷺ) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: Messenger of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage -insult- you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood-she deserved it-.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: Messenger of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage -insult- you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood-she deserved it-.
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Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sahih (Al-Albani)
: Sunan Abi Dawud 4361
In-book reference
: Book 40, Hadith 11
English translation
: Book 39, Hadith 434
and this is why muslims kill anyone that insult islam or muhammad
letting the murderer of a woman go since she deserves to die for the crime of insulting muhammad
the dude sounds totally benevolent more like malevolent
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