Christen

Since the owner of this site recently "redesigned" it, we were all told to expect bugs and stuff, and report what we find.

I just logged into this site, and used the notifications to see that I was mentioned in a forum post: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4265/post-links/176706

However, I did not get this notification in gmail, even though I had email notifications enabled.

I also did not block this person, so I should have gotten a notification in gmail, but I didn't.

Is anyone else experiencing this problem?

I stumbled across this topic on a different debating site:

Basically, they make up fallacious arguments and you have to guess what kind of fallacy was committed.

I figured that would be cool to try here.

I don't like looking for debates to read and/or vote in only to see that people forfeited rounds. I want to be able to focus on the debates where every round had arguments in them and filter out debates that have forfeited rounds. It's a waste of time.

Tried to challenge PoliceSheep to a debate, then when I clicked the "Create Debate" button I got that error message.

screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/aubG1CE.png

internal error.html: https://anonfile.com/5d1er6a1ob/Internal_error_html

internal error.mhtml: https://anonfile.com/7613rea2o6/Internal_error_mhtml

internal error_files.rar: https://anonfile.com/9d2ar6a0oe/Internal_error_files_rar

apparently the site still thinks the debate was created so it stored it and it can be visited https://www.debateart.com/debates/1788/electoral-college but when I tried to archive the link it just archived the main page instead: http://archive.ph/SeaEw

I used to use Google Docs and Pastebin for RFD's and then post the link to the Google Doc or Pastebin in the voting box.

However, some problems with Google Docs was that I would have to create 2 separate versions on the Google Doc: one for computers, and one for mobile/smartphone users, since viewing a Google Doc on the smartphone that was meant for computers would show the words all over the place and you would have to scroll left or right in addition to having to scroll up or down to read the whole thing.

For example, this is an old archived RFD of mine for a debate: https://web.archive.org/web/20191029125616/https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KH8aLtYjkA6NqmtadVzCJGbHOOpC_wMk8rohKLa5kBg/edit

Normally when I click this link using my computer, it shows up normally like this: https://i.imgur.com/uC8kG6P.png

However, when I access this link using my android, it shows up messed up like this: https://i.imgur.com/mGZktfZ.png

The worst part is, on my android, I can't zoom in or out, so I'm stuck having to start at the left, then scroll to the right as I read, then when I go to the next line, I have to scroll all the way to the left again, and then I have to scroll down to read the rest of it, and keep scrolling right, then left again, and so on.

However, this is another RFD of mine but it was uploaded to justpaste.it and then archived: http://archive.ph/VuDov

This time, I can read it nicely on the computer, and also zoom in or out when reading from my android. What's even better is that, when reading from justpaste.it using my android, even if I zoom in, the size of the text will automatically adjust so that it fills my whole screen, meaning I will never have to keep scrolling right left down right left down over and over again.

What makes justpaste.it better than the default voting tool, and better than Pastebin, is that, with justpaste.it you can change the size of your text, you can choose different colors of your text, you can make it bold, italic, or underline, and you can even insert images into it, none of which you can do with the default voting box or with Pastebin.

The site also has an option to purchase a "premium" to encrypt your text, but that's not necessary for writing RFD's. You can just write your RFD without having to worry about a character limit and post it. It also saves your progress so if you're writing a long RFD or something, you can write some of it now, then return and come back a few hours or days later to finish it before the voting period is over, whereas you can't really save your RFD in debateart's default voting box and come back later.

Then, if you want to preserve it, you finally archive it and then link to it when casting your vote in debates.

I tried to post a reply to someone's comment and I got a blank white screen along with that error message.

As of right now (August 2019), you can't find 8chan on Google (literally have to use a different search engine such as duckduckgo or qwant), and Cloudflare is terminating it as well, simply because a lot of criminals like to use the site, especially within the past year.

It doesn't make sense to do this. The site/owner isn't the one carrying out all of those shootings/attacks - the criminal is, so the criminal is who needs to be punished, not the site itself. Some good people use that site too, not just criminals/extremists.

Even ISPs (Internet Service Providers) have been blocking people from accessing these sites, which, again, doesn't make sense, since you could just use a VPN (Virtual Private Network) to mask your IP (Internet Protocol) address and still access the site.

If these media outlets don't like 8chan, then don't use it. Plain and simple. Why censor it simply because you don't like it, or because bad people use it? Bad people use sites like 4chan and reddit too, and they also use discord and WhatsApp, yet nobody is hating on those sites and censoring them like crazy, although those sites may have more regulations on what you can post. I don't like the "boobie streamers" that plague Twitch TV, but that wouldn't mean that I could just call for that site to get censored, or a porn site.

I can understand censoring something that is straight-up illegal, such as child pornography, or doxxing, but as far as I'm aware, there has never been either of those on either 4chan or 8chan. The worst thing was only criminals talking about crime.

As scary as these websites are, I like them for the fact that you can read what real criminals and bad people have to say, understand their point of view, understand their side of things, understand the hatred that they have and how they feel, understand where their coming from, understand the kinds of things they say in their manifestos and how they make the choices that they make, understand why they do what they do and/or think what they think, and/or have some decent information from the criminal's perspective in order to form a solid and more accurate conclusion/opinion. It's good to have a basic understanding of how criminals think and act, and these sites allow people to have just that. Not only that, but websites like these are great for helping people understand the harsh nerve-racking truth about this world - that it is not a nice, happy, fantasy land - that it has a lot of scary things to it, and that many people have such dark and scary thoughts. These sites, however evil they may seem, allow people to write down their hatred and share it with those who are interesting in hearing their side of things.

Not all sites need to be like this, obviously. Most sites, even this one, will have strict rules on what you can post, in order to promote a friendly environment, and that's great. There are people that like themselves a little friendly environment, so they go to websites such as this, and at the same time, there are also people who may either find those friendly environments boring, or may be experiencing so much pain, hatred, and suffering in their lives that they need a site like 8chan to express their hatred without having to worry about getting immediately punished for it due to strict rules. Either way, there's a community-like site for everyone, and people are free to choose what kind of online environment they want to be in, whether's it a nice one with strict rules, or a much harsher one with less strict rules.

Instead of figuring out some more realistic ways of dealing with mass shootings, they're blaming random online forum websites, which are literally just large complex assortments of various "!DOCTYPE html" codes and programming. Censoring these sites most certainly will not deter these forms of crime in the slightest. Crime has existed for centuries, even before the internet became a thing, and it will continue to exist.

A better method of deterring crime is to have armed people there, ready to take the criminal down when he attacks. Police have proven to take way too long, way too often, to arrive during an attack, and by the time they get there, a bunch of people are already dead, so it's just better to have trained people who can deal with the criminal without having to wait for police. Most of these shooters are cowards who will only target people who they know are defenseless. Most of them want free, easy kills, and not fair fights against other armed people.

The absolute best thing that censoring these sites will accomplish, is that it would make a few butthurt people feel better about themselves.

I purposefully wrote this in the "Education" section of this forum and not "Politics" because we can learn something and potentially be educated about something, based on understanding criminals, and understanding their point of view.

If you ever watch any of those shows like Voice Kids, American Idol, and America's Got Talent, you will know what I am talking about. Basically you will have the little girl or whatever, singing on the stage, and it's great and beautiful and all, but then the audience gets noisy for no reason, thus ruining the song.

It's like going to a restaurant to order some amazingly cooked food, but having it spat on by a couple dozen people, thus ruining the cook's hard work. When I listen to someone sing, I want to hear them and them only, not the audience. The audience should be cheering before or after the singing, but not right in the middle of it. How do you all feel about this?

Here's a few examples of covers ruined by the audience making noise. I can't even download the song and listen to it offline because I will hear the part where the audience cheers and it is just so annoying! Sometimes, this results in the singer having to sing louder and harder so that she can still even be heard over the noisy audience.

https://youtu.be/Wmnut7mYNKM?t=8 This one isn't too bad, but the audience cheers loudly for a bit, then goes silent.

https://youtu.be/b1NVOsatpF0?t=183 Here it gets even worse. Just a few seconds after the girl starts, the audience act like fanatical banshees on steroids.

If they're going to have a girl sing on stage with audience making noise, the least they could do is have an alternate version of that song where there is no background noise from the audience, so that I can just hear the girl and nothing else that I do not want to hear. Do you get frustrated about this stuff too, or am I just making a big deal out of it?