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@Owen_T
Mharman is scum. I'm Fidel Castro, and my ability is bullet proof. Unless there can be two bullet proof.
Oh, that's... interesting.
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@Mharman
Looking him up right now.
Like I said. I want to bait the NK.
In my opinion, you'd already failed at that the moment you hinted that you were TI. Trying to nightkill a TI on Night 1 of a role madness semi-upick is extremely risky because of a Doctor or Watcher possibility, so most wolves except the most cocky are going to skip it.
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That is not a stellar claim and not something that was really worth hiding for that long.
Not going to insta hammer, but you go into the "maybe lynch this" list for the time being.
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@ILikePie5
What about anyone you're confident is Town aligned? That's also fairly important, I'd say.
(Aside question- is majority required to lynch, or just to hammer? For example, if the time runs out with a 4-3-3-1 vote spread, does the 4-vote target die or nobody?)
(Aside question- is majority required to lynch, or just to hammer? For example, if the time runs out with a 4-3-3-1 vote spread, does the 4-vote target die or nobody?)
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@ILikePie5
@Owen_T
This is a bit of a mess, to be frank!
This back-and-forth is sucking the air out of the thread, in my opinion.
Pie, do you have any reads at the moment that don't rely on Mhar being scum? This is an intentional redirection, to be frank- I've seen scum hide behind plausible-looking deathtunnels before. Humor me, at least for a few minutes.
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@WyIted
No offense, Wyl, but Mhar doesn't strike me as that incompetent. He wrote up an entire readslist earlier- I have doubts he would... what, hard claim a Vigilante-like role and then retract it like that? It reads a lot more like pissed-off snark.
(for the record: Caroler can grant an investigation result to someone but fails if they're visited, Veteran shoots visitors, Park Ranger heals visitors, Babysitter protects people but kills instead if they die during the night- all of these change drastically if scum team knows your claim)
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I can think of a few roles that one might want to hide that become zero/negative utility when claimed. Caroler, any flavor of Veteran-like. Camp Cadaver's Park Ranger, though I somehow doubt that that one is present in the game. Maybe Babysitter, although that one doesn't actually become zero utility.
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(The reason I'm hesitating here is because I'm trying to intuit what Mhar is claiming to decide if it's worth forcing out or not)
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Here are the only roles I consider a PR1. Doctor2. Cop
Is this a terminology difference? I use "PR" to refer to any role that has any active ability pretty much.
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Well, you have sounded like you think that's true for any role claim this game.
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This is very specific without being specific at all, somehow? A village PR that helps scum... Why would you overtly say that if you're so concerned about how scum is going to exploit claims?
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@WyIted
I have never seen him make a joke.
Well...
-->@<<<Cerulean>>>You can expect a box of chocolates.Jokes aside, it’ll probably pick up as the day goes on, and DP1 we have a lot of craziness as we all try to figure out what is going on.
I'm going to reread the initial back and forth that led to this... whatever this is. Though the fact that neither of them are seeming willing to even consider that the other is town right now is a bit concerning.
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@WyIted
Jack schitt us apparently a 2023 horror film and it's like a slasher film. I think once he soft claimed my role and I noticed it, he is trying to change his character and claim he was joking
Are we actually taking this claim at face value? I immediately assumed he was screwing around.
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@Mharman
Mhar, is there anything in particular about Pie's reasoning that makes you think it's not genuine rather than a villager deathtunneled on you?
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Unvote (this was a stale vote on joebob)
I can imagine what soft you might think is being talked about here, though I'm not certain we're on the same page about it. Hm. Avoiding a claim at L-2 is interesting considering if your role is as important as you seem to be portraying, you'd probably want to... not get lynched.
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@Owen_T
The idea behind character claiming is giving us an idea of what each player might be capable of doing. For instance, knowing that Austin's character is a Mafia boss might not inherently make Austin evil-aligned, but it might imply that if he is evil, he could be investigated as good regardless (since that's the "Godfather" role type).
I initially thought the Billy Mitchell claim would have Veteran or some sort of Killing charges, since he was a military individual, but the reveal that the Billy Mitchell chosen was a gamer instead has me confused.
By the way, is there a particular reason why you believe this:
refusal to claim seems like a town tell.
Since it's the basis for 2 of your town reads.
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@Owen_T
Where are you at with this game right now, Owen? A lot of your recent posts have been about people's activity levels. Do you have any strong alignment-related thoughts on anyone at the moment? Any posts that stick out to you?
I want you to be at least somewhat active here because if you're town, you seem like you're likely to get mislynched. No offense intended, it's just that I can see you got mislynched Day 1 in the Ace Attorney game and Mhar has already put pressure on you this game.
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@ILikePie5
I vaguely suspect that Pie vs. Mhar might be a villager-villager fight. It feels like they're both talking past and misunderstanding each other a bit.
B) Him not wanting people to full claim is 100% at odds with his past gameplay.
Do you mind being a little more detailed about this, Pie? I understand the gist of it, but are you specifically saying that the town version of Mharman frequently angles for full claims on people, even those he townreads, on Day 1? Or something else? My worry here is that you might be comparing apples and oranges of different contexts.
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Anyway, regarding characters: My character is the main character of a book series/tv series, both of which came out after 2000. I think that's about detailed enough for now.
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@Mharman
Post 121, he says that he doesn’t support the Wylted train because it’s going to help scum get identify PRs, which doesn’t make sense at all unless he knows Wylted is town.I don’t know who’s what for sure. But I do townread him. If I think someone is town, why the hell should I push for a full claim on him?
The problem is that you stated it like a fact, which can make it look like TMI. Especially since as of Post 117, you only had Wylted as "Ever so Slight Town." Did something change in the 15 minutes between 117 and 121, or are you that cautious with claims that even someone you very slightly townread is someone you think shouldn't claim?
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@AustinL0926
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11413/posts/461107 feels like it should be alignment indicative for Mhar. I'll come back to it.
I'll play under the assumption that we have 8 Town, 2 Mafia, 1 3P, since people have said that Lunatic's host meta includes 3Ps with a reasonable frequency... and also because this:
I think 9-2 and 8-3 are town sides and scumsided respectively.
sounds about right.
I'm not full claiming.You’ll full claim at L-1, which I will get you to
I think I mildly townread this overconfidence.
My initial reaction would be to give you a townread for giving that up with no pressure, since it "looks" so bad, but I'm wary of a "refuge in audacity" bluff. You, or someone else, can correct me if this is wrong, but from the few posts I've seen from you so far, you strike me as someone who might try to pull that sort of strategy off.Can you explain why you think I would have the kind of playstyle to try this?
It's admittedly not a strong opinion, but you appear relatively competent and Owen mentioned this:
He claimed he had a power to determine scum from three people, so mechanical. I didn't follow up after I was lynched but he was lying for some reason.
If you're willing to play like that as a villager it wouldn't surprise me if you might also try to pull an audacious "a Mafia wouldn't do that" play as Mafia.
(also, to be clear, because I might subconsciously swap up language in a later post- I use "Mafia" and "Wolf" and "Scum" interchangeably)
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Morning, all. I'll be hanging around to backread for a little while here.
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Ah, I see. Thanks! (Though I'm sure to get a bit of whiplash reading mafia posts and then seeing a post on a thread like "Evidence JD Vance was the correct pick")
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"ISO" as in "Isolation" meaning filtering by a single person's posts. It's a feature on MafiaUniverse (and Discord, another place where I play Mafia often) that can be used to quickly skim through a single player. It makes sense that a site like this wouldn't have it, so I'll need to adjust. Unless it is present here and I've just missed it.
And by all means, you don't have to treat me like I'm fragile or anything. I can handle myself.
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@WyIted
Not having an ISO function might smite me, but that's a problem for future Cerulean.
Anyway, sure. I'll bite for a bit.
VTL Joebob
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we always get reads on joebob wrong
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Hm. I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt for now and assume this isn't a "We're teamed and I made a slip by stating my teammate's character as a fact when it was actually more ambiguous than that" situation from you. There's plenty of time left, after all.
But I've got my eye on you two. <o>
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@Barney
Why did you pick the Gamer for Billy Mitchell? I gave a quick google and found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Mitchell, which I thought could fit the villain theme because of:
He antagonized many administrative leaders of the Army with his arguments and criticism and in 1925, his temporary appointment as a brigadier general was not renewed, and he reverted to his permanent rank of colonel, due to his insubordination. Later that year, he was court-martialed for insubordination after accusing Army and Navy leaders of an "almost treasonable administration of the national defense"[4] for investing in battleships. He resigned from the service shortly afterwards.
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(From the OP)Welcome to Villainous Villains mafia! For this game, most players chose their own characters, except for a couple instances where a character wasn't chosen, I just made one for them. In this game, there is no theme split.
At the very least, characters should give a vague hint towards abilities- though I'm not sure if giving Mafia that information is a good idea.
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@AustinL0926
Since it's a slow news day, I'll claim my character to invite some discussion: Don Corleone.
That's a bit audacious, considering that's quite literally a Mafia Don.
My initial reaction would be to give you a townread for giving that up with no pressure, since it "looks" so bad, but I'm wary of a "refuge in audacity" bluff. You, or someone else, can correct me if this is wrong, but from the few posts I've seen from you so far, you strike me as someone who might try to pull that sort of strategy off.
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@Owen_T
We do have Austin in this game... Wouldn't you expect him(?) to cause "action" here too, or was there a mechanical circumstance in that previous game?
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I am mildly curious about the general alignment layout of this game (ie 9 Town 2 Mafia, 8 Town 3 Mafia, 8 Town 2 Mafia 1 3p/Neutral, etc.), although there's not much we can do beyond speculating about it at this point.
What's the general feel for 3rd Party/Neutral/Independent/Unaligned/Any other name for non-Town and non-Mafia roles on this forum? Should we expect one to exist here?
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@Owen_T
Is there a question we could ask that would actually be helpful. This won't get us anywhere
It sounds like you're volunteering to talk about your social reads so far. By all means, go ahead!
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...There's not much of a point of disguising the gender of the character, is there? It's not like that changes much- my character's a "he" not a "they."
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I would expect most characters to be fictional. I had to look mine up (it was force assigned) and they are indeed fictional.
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I might as well ask in return- how do games here typically go? Should I expect an intense, fast-paced end of day? An eventual settling on a single massive vote wagon? Heavily mech-focused gameplay?
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@JoeBob
Mafia is a social deduction game in which the uninformed majority team, the Town, must sus out the identities of the informed minority team, the Mafia. Methods of doing so include scumreading, voting analysis, and mechanics like investigation.
I have played a decent amount of Mafia, but I'm not stellar at it. Competent, sure, but not to the point of carrying games on my back as either alignment.
I have played a decent amount of Mafia, but I'm not stellar at it. Competent, sure, but not to the point of carrying games on my back as either alignment.
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And so it begins... The generous phase timing is nice, at least.
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/in, but willing to give my slot up if someone else wants it.
(Also, to anyone who wasn't in the discord, hello! I'm here from MafiaUniverse to check things out <o> <o> and maybe also exist on this site for things other than Mafia.)
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