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Actually if drafter is lynchproof then he can't possibly be scum, cause if hes lynchproof scum then scum have already won.
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Oh wait no I get it. Can we lynch drafter today and prove he's lynchproof? It's the same effect as no-lynching at MyLo, and it gets him semi-confirmed since lynchproof is usually town sided.
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@drafterman
But you can't confirm they're lying. You'll just make it you can them which is the position we're in right now.
What?
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@drafterman
To mention again, the other option is if I die, you get a clear path to lynch, instead of having to choose between me or oro in the end.
Also if I die, I get to blame you for losing the game.
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@drafterman
VTNL, I'll comedian either single or lunatic. Worst case is I do not confirm or exonerate them. Best case is I confirm they're lying about their role and a scum role is included in my results. The potential for peace of mind is there.
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@drafterman
If I die, you would have a straight path to lynch single, lunatic, and oro.
If I live, I get results.
VTNL is a win-win situation.
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VTNL
It's MyLo. I get a set of results tomorrow. The best part though is that mafia can't kill me, because I'm their best mislynch target.
Also I'm telling you this scum, I'm not lynching drafter no matter what.
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@drafterman
drafter, if you conclude that Single is scum, then you must also conclude that I am also scum, if we go by my logic.
Your perspective from my perspective:
1. Lunatic -
2. Drafterman - TOWN (self)
3. WaterPhoenix - TOWN (by interaction with Single)
4. SpeedRace - TOWN (by interaction with Single)
5. Bullish -
6. iLikePie5 - TOWN (role mod confirmed)
7. Oromagi -
8. Singularity - SCUM
Leaving 2 scum out of 3 in Lunatic, me, and oro.
I semi-confirmed oro, which means if I'm town, then oro is town. But that's impossible, since again that would mean there's only 2 scum, Sinlge and Lunatic. Therefore the only viable option is that I am also scum, and made a mistake "confirming" oro for town cred.
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I've lost some town games but I've never been as unsure as I am in this one.
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The only scum game I could find Water in he claimed mafia 4 posts in then lynched himself.
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Aslo why did virt just happen to flip this DP? Doesn't that make the janitor kind of useless?
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@drafterman
I've been running down some scum teams.
1. Lunatic -
2. Drafterman - TOWN (by behaviour)
3. WaterPhoenix -
4. SpeedRace -
5. Bullish - TOWN
6. iLikePie5 - TOWN (role mod confirmed)
7. Oromagi - TOWN (I confirmed kind of)
8. Singularity -
Speed and Single's interaction suggests there is at most 1 scum between them.
Single and Water's interactions suggest there is at most 1 scum between them.
If single is scum, then neither Speed or Water are. Which only leaves Lunatic. Which means there are only 2 scum out of 12, which is very imba (unless there is TP).
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But I also can't imagine why mafia would fake claim doc + watch DP1, with what, only 3 claims before hand? If I was full doc or full watch I'd CC that immediately. Also, a watcher claim could be countered with results any time you claim to use it. That's super ballsy for mafia.
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@Speedrace
It's possible mafia only had 1x RB in a JOAT.If you're going to NL, please explain why Singularity wouldn't have been RBd
Then again I can't imagine why mafia wouldn't have just RB'd Single and killed grey, or RB'd grey and killed single.
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Aslo as far as I can imply about my role, I can't be roleblocked.
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@Speedrace
once again, I named Oro, which is NOT a visit, and got that his role could be one of Vanilla, Vig, or Doctor.
I asked but got not definitive answer to these potential variations in the role:
1. Is vanilla townie and goon mafia distinguished?
2. Are all 3 roles necessarily in the game?
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@Singularity
I tend to not be one who over thinks things, but I'm gonna do that here.
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If only press would have been fucking active so he could use that suicide bomber role and we wouldn't be at mylo.
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Ongoing
SupaDudz: South Park - DP3
Sign-ups
drafterman (DART Survivor Season 1)
In the Hopper
Speedrace (Captain America: Civil War)
TUF- Recycled Roles mafia
ILikePie5 - Pick 1: Narcos, Riverdale, Bakugan Battle Brawlers
warren- open setup, likely themeless
Zaradi - Borderlands
Virtuoso
Bullish (Memes of the 2010's)
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@Speedrace
I have role justification, but I can see in past Supa games, some roles have justification and some don't.
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Today I'd be down for a lynch on Lunatic or PressF. My secondary pool is SpeedRace and Oromagi.
If there are 3 scum within these 4, then we've won, because we get 1 mislynch.
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@Lunatic
I guess it could be a gambit where he forfeited the kill, but then I don't even know why he would have claimed dreamer.
Actually would make a lot of sense. If scum attempted to kill Grey and failed, a BP claim is the perfect gambit especially with the "I knew I was the NK target because of mod error".
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@Lunatic
Don't call what I did nothing that's just insulting. I spent 5 hours sunday reading the entirety of the FT Nightless game on DDO, and came to the conclusion based on meta that drafter is town.We all know nothing is for sure. One day you can scum read someone, the next you may town them. Kinda like how you did that with drafter, based on almost nothing after gunning for him hard dp1 XD
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@Vader
I do love how we're breaking trends and posting more in later DPs.
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@Lunatic
Anytime you declare "X will die" if "Mafia does X" you're giving more control to the mafia.How is that a mislynch set up? Do you know she is town?
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@Lunatic
I found the link:You guys realize that drafter literally made that post about always lynching inactives on christmas day? He was town in that game. That wasn't very long ago at all. less than two weeks. And he is already pretty much arguing the exact opposite of that post now, that inactivity is a weak thing to push for. What happened to the new policy of lynch all inactives?
This is a common refrain. An active town will eat itself in the presence of inactive scum. Inactives should always be pressured. The fault lies in Supas complete and utter overreaction as well as the veterans (myself included) that allowed ourselves to get distracted by it. I remember thinking Supa was town, but ultimately just got fed up with his behavior and actually forgot about my town read.Lynch all inactives.
I'm not posting this as evidence drafter is scum, I'm just posting this to make him mad.
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@drafterman
drafter you completely lose your grasp on basic logic when you're mad. Take 2 seconds to think about why that isn't circular.So I'm scum because I defended him and I defended him because I'm scum, regardless of his affiliation. How circular.
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It's because we know for a fact that YOU ACTUALLY DEFENDED IRON. "A therefore B, B therefore A" isn't circular reasoning if WE KNOW A TO BE TRUE.
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@Lunatic
Now THAT is a mislynch setup. So if we lynch anyone other than Single today, scum gets a free mislynch tomorrow if Single is town? This is beyond WIFOM.Tomorrow I think she [Singularity] will have to be the lynch though.
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@Lunatic
Dreamer sees "at least" 1 scum, so it doesn't confirm 2 townies.I can see why a dreamer would be targeted though over a cop if they have a lawyer/framer, because you don't just find one scum with that role, you confirm two townies.
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@Speedrace
Role cop: "if a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie is investigated, they return 'Vanilla'"
Conventions vary, so I wouldn't say confirmed.
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@drafterman
Ok my role doesn't specify and Supa wouldn't answer me, so I'll take this as a piece of evidence toward oro being town.
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@drafterman
if comedian works like role cop, then goons return vanilla. Isn’t that how it works on your own rolelist?
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@drafterman
It’s even night only, mentioned in my claim post.
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I might consider that Oro is actually 1x vig, that's why he was so interested in drafter's joke vig claim last DP. Also explains why he's been playing like a mislynch target, cause he wants to survive till his vig shot has higher chance of hitting scum.
If you are 1x vig Oro, please use it tonight so we don't get to MyLo and have to give up another kill.
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@drafterman
I asked if goon shows up the same as vanilla, got a "can't answer."
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@drafterman
I was going back to read some of mine, yours, TUF's , TV's old games for meta, statistics, and nostalgia. Your nonsensical behaviour in that game really struck me as being very similar your nonsensical behaviour in this one.
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I had a town read on pressF for that theory discussion we had. At the time I believed noob town was far more likely to fall into and use the "No-lynch DP1 fallacy," because they're afraid of the technically true fact that you're more likely to hit town than scum. However my opinion has changed. PressF's behaviour now to me seems that he's afraid of lynching town NOT because he wants to win with town, but because he's afraid of losing town cred.
Look at this post: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145197
If he was afraid Water might be accidentally hammered, then why did he put Water at L-1? If he's not afraid, why would he declare that the hammerer is scum as if he knew Water is town?
This could be the behaviour of someone who wants to kill town, but isn't have the risk tolerance to lose town cred while doing so.
Then he fails to show up at all at the end of DP1 and DP2, right after admitting that DP1 lynches are statistically good for town, presumably because both of those wagons were town, and pressF wanted neither to vote for them nor drive another wagon. This is the most damning factor.
This post by Water is what made me think he's town: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145205
"Jesus Christ" sounds like frustration, rather than panic I'd expect from mafia. The newer a player the more accurate an emotional tell is.
Later he lingers on the whole fluff post ordeal. Normally scum would be happy to be over that ASAP, but as town he may hold grudges and bring up from time to time.
Virt was killed NP1. He didn't post much, hes reads were inline with most people's, and I had a null read on him. NP1 mafia had a choice of 2 investigative roles, a JOAT, and a couple of lead players. This means A) the mafia team is highly risk averse, or B) Virt's actually onto something.
Virt went from "VTL Drafterman That has to be a scum role" to "drafter is my top town read" in 13 posts flat, which was super fishy to me at the time. But ultimately he just didn't really do anything noteworthy the whole DP.
I town read Lunatic for initiating the popcorn massclaim because mafia has a janitor, and could wait to DP2 to essentially deny claiming as a town tool. But he also pressured 3 people solely based off of their PM structure and I don't like that. Given my existing town reads and TUF's skill and knowledge of the game, I'm moving him down to null.
My conversation with Lunatic around page 10,11,12, I'm not sure if I convinced him to vote drafter, or he convinced himself to vote drafter, or if he 'conveniently found' reasons to get on a wagon he didn't think was going to happen earlier.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145609 this sounds like setting up a mislynch.
I don't like how Oro's read list just seems to move randomly: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145589
wasn't it just a few posts ago that he was townreading drafterman? What reason did he have to scum read the un-CC'd cop claim, given that cop has been in every Supa game? It seems to me that he moved drafter and iron to the bottom just because a couple of people mentioned them as prospective lynches and he's just bandwagonning.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145641 look at this bullshit, he moves iron from the bottom of the read list to the top because of like 3 posts that had basically no substance except for a safe potentially fake claim.
Oro also need drafter to convince him to lynch drafter, despite having drafter leaning sucm 2nd to last on his read list. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145817, and then continues to throw out there that drafter's wagon is scum heavy, despite drafter not flipping and he himself being on the wagon. This is not town behaviour.
btw I softclaimed here https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145638 buy implying that my role is similar to Dreamer (1 useful result out of 3).
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145648 and https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145649 does not feel like a scum-scum interaction.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145836 "I don't really care about lynching that much" ... this isn't necessarily scum, but it's just such an anti-town attitude.
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@Greyparrot
Drafter's just like that. Did you see the FT Nightless game I linked? Out of 4 DPs, he was onboard with the scum agenda 4/4, and sussing the 2-3 townies that led a 75% scum lynch rate the entire time. And he was adamant about it.
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@WaterPhoenix
bruh,
I told my self a joke about oro, he was one of vanilla, vig, or doc. He claimed vanilla before I outted those results, so this doesn't incriminate or exonerate him.
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@WaterPhoenix
I already said that's not how my role works. This is part of why I'm so willing to buy that the mod messed up Pie's role, because my role doesn't work like it's described in drafter's role list. I choose a person and I tell myself a joke about that person. I know it doesn't make much sense but that's how it is.
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