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@Wylted
Things I said to argent. Not what argent said.
Which still leaves us with that first post, post #5, in which you voted for GP being irrelevant and contrived by your own admission as a consequence of stating your read wasn't based off that, it was based off what you said to argent.
Either that first post was legit, in which case the inconsistency and contrivance is obvious. Or it wasn't, in which case the inconsistency and contrivances remains obvious.
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Which is fine, cause that's exactly what i think anyways. So please, do tell me more about how posts you made regarding reads and player behaviors, were irrelevant to ur actual reads?
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Now that ur being called on it ur switching to, "it was because of what argent said!" and "for things you have not found words to describe."
what i see in that is, "I was manufacturing shit and creating contrived posts that had nothing to do with my actual behavior."
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@Wylted
My read on GP had nothing to do with the reasons you mentioned
Literally post #5 dp2. Your gonna deny what's first page on DP2? "My read had nothing to do with that" Sureeeeeee bud, that's why you brought it up and used it to justify voting GP.
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@Wylted
Not saying i couldnt be wrong here, and full claiming and explaining your night actions would go a long way.
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@Wylted
Townies shouldn't care how they look period, end of story.
First off, no. They generally will care less as the top priority is scumhunting. But a total disregard of ones own appearance leads to getting ML'd.
But, this is why ur looking pretty scummy for ur play in this game largely centering around making yourself appear town(falsely), leaving urself outs to walk back posts in case suspicion arises, flipping on reads for reasons that dont align.
You say, "i was basing it off argent" note, this is a prime example of a motive of self-preservation, and leaving an out to walk back posts and avoid suspicion.
Post #5 DP2
"It's worth revisiting buddas analysis"
"His(GP) actions are inconsistent with his reads and his meta."
In my analysis i specifically outlined and evidenced how GP was overwhelmingly sticking to his town and null meta. But beyond that, the inconsistency you pointed to was him voting for Supa at the end of DP1.
Want to talk about inconsistency?
DP1 I FoS'd you early on for deviating from your standard self-admitted narcissism(personality meta) in ceding control to Aporia. You deviated from meta, but acted pro-town. For which you clearly thought you should have gotten town cred for doing so. As you did it for the sake of progressing the game.
But yet GP is scummy in your view because he deviated from meta and voted Supa to progress the game?
Then we have from DP1, ur read on me in comparison to TR'ing Greyparrot. The reaction I had to Warren, and the reaction GP had to you, were fundamentally the same, and were regarding fundamentally, the same kind of tell.(ignorance tell as a town tell.). Yet I was scum, and GP was town.
You do understand tells outweigh other forms of analysis right? Like for example I'd prob be FoS'ing Roberts. But he town telled via a PM(which i pointed out at the time) to me, so his suspicious behavior is outweighed by the obvious town tell.
The precedng paragraph isnt scummy in itself. Its a meta point.
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I think he is too stupid to be able to generate that town tell in a phony way
Ok? And if scum he wouldn't be all by his lonesome, so how is this even relevant? What i see here is you desperately clinging to that being a tell because it's rooted in the same behavior you displayed. It's really one of if not the only thing ur remaining consistent on/have remained so. But I see that rooted in self preservation, not actual consistency in reads because not TR'ING him de facto makes your "tell" meaningless
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
3 mislynches to be precise
2 =\= 3 hombre
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saying DP1s lynch was a trap on me,
My guess would be he was trying to say you were trapping him DP1. You insisted he vote Supa, then came out immediately DP2 and flipped on ur read. Thats a pretty blatant and transparent set up of an FoS.
The issue is its scummy AF when you rescind a TR, when the basis for that TR was a concrete tell in reaction to your "oh mercy me, how ever does the mafia PM work?" Then even more doubly so when you ripped into my analysis as absolute shite, but it being shite totally changes when I flip town and magically makes Grey scum?
No it doesn't, especially when i was torn AF about GP. "He's ringing every town and scum alarm at the same time." Note, players who do that are usually town, as the scum alarms can be attributed to townies generally caring less about how they look in comparison to actually catching scum.
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Major FoS on Warren if he voted for GP last DP. GP reacted in a manner that was town according to his "reaction test" DP1. This would be hugely inconsistent with that test.
Major FoS on Pie(Supa) for Pie going ghost DP1 cause, "oh mercy me, the game started?!" When he signed up shortly before game start. But also because Supa transparently based his analysis off who was pushing/advocating for his lynch. But pushes to lynch GP, one of the few who didn't want to lynch him last DP.
Slight FoS on Lunatic(TUF) for that absolute fluff AF post at #5 preceding this.
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Aporia was inactive and forfeited his N/A for NP2, which was his only NA so far.
Its 5 to 3 or 6 to 2. My guess would be 6 to 2, maybe 5 to 3. Btw, pointed out DP1 twice that Vaarka mysteriously was saying nothing regarding post editing. So stoked nobody picked up on that 😂. Either way it might be MYLO so any relevant results need be disclosed as a ML could result in a loss. It's crunchtime, holding back results that are or might be highly useful this point is detrimental.
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@breakingamber
1. Supadudz
2. ILikePie5
3. Mopac
4. Mharman
5. Raltar
6. Warren
7. Wytled
8. Greyparrot
9. Buddamoose (if Virt is still modding 2.0, I'll verify)
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@RationalMadman
Your presenting a lack of anonymity in reporting as something that will solve the issues you are presenting. It will not, and will end up creaating a nice big incentive and avenue to disregard reports fullstock.
I'm sorry, but ur offering up a path of least resistance and going, "certainly nobody will take that path as often as possible and instead will still choose the more difficult path that involves the most work(resistance.)
That's straight up naive. You might as well lay down in front of a bear with BBQ sauce slathered all over you with the expectation you won't turn into a tasty morsel. You'd get similar results on both bets fmpov.
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@drafterman
One person suggested that multiaccounting could be used to get around the limit, but multiaccounting is already a violation.
Multiaccounting could be done in either situation? It's not like it's difficult to set up a VPN and make your IP untraceable/unbannable.
What I'm seeing from "people could spam report" is, "but people could be dicks!?". When ok, people can be dicks anytime anywhere and theres really nothing you can do to stop it if they're determined.
Further, it's not like there wouldnt be earmarks present that somebodies spam reporting. See 10 reports get filed day after day on pretty much the same people? Oh shit, what you probably got there is spam reporting. However, this wouldn't still remove the responsibility to briefly examine the reports to determine the veracity. Key being briefly.
Way i see it, a lack of anonymity is just going to turn into a convenient excuse to ignore reports entirely depending on source. "This person has reported every day the max amount for a week. This justifies ignoring these reports."
Just wait and see acceptable reports end up being discarded immediately. It's gonna blow up and end up creaating a bigger issue.
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@Plisken
It's not, you can report the next day, or if you really need to you can always send a private message.
Yes, and you can always just create another account and mask your IP through a VPN if you want to workaround the lack of anonymity. Looks like your idea doesn't solve the problem your bringing up either, now does it?
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@drafterman
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but people keep bringing up spam reporting, and there is a cap in place on the amount of reports that can be done at a time?
So how is spam reporting even an issue if you can't spam cause theres a cap?
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5. Raltar
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9. Buddamoose (if Virt is still modding 2.0, I'll verify)
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@Vaarka
I doubt I'd go around and kill, but I'd definitely destroy public property and steal random stuff
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"Nationalism is the opposite of Patriotism"
Homeboys never picked up a thesaurus cause Patriotism is a listed synonym of Nationalism 😂.
"We gotta defend ourselves against China, Russia, and the US."
He might as well have spit on the graves of American veterans that were crucial in saving Frances ass twice. As per usual, the French have lost their god-damn minds 😂.
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This is starting to stink to high heaven. First they try blocking oversight from GoP. Then they try blocking the effing local press from monitoring?
I'll tell you what, if there is nothing shady going on, they're doing everything to make it seem that way.
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@Greyparrot
If{human.exe = Republican} Run{white_supremacist.exe}.
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@Greyparrot
You can't defend against the indoctrinated. And look no further for indoctrination than people who legitimately think Trump is somehow just sooooo much worse than any president in the past, when he's at worst par for the course.
Maybe it turns out he colluded with Russian agents? So far that's not looking like the case, hence why it's switched to looking for obstruction/reverted back to his tax returns. As if anybody besides the asinine are gonna act like Trump, a narcissist, lying about how much he makes to make himself look better, and being disgenuine about how he built his wealth "all by himself", isn't exactly what you'd expect from a narcissist.
It's like people don't realize politics isnt a choice of eating shit, or not eating shit. It's a choice of which shit you'd most prefer. Cause either way ur being fed shit, even if the candidate themselves isnt feeding it to you(Carter). And in politics, I'll go with the guy who is so self-absorbed and such an attention whore that he can't help but be transparent AF about what he's doing and what he thinks, so i know exactly what shit I'm being fed.
Plus he sticks up for himself and flings shit back when it's thrown at him. Which i like, the GoP's needed that since RINO's castrated the party and Obama burned the balls.
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@Greyparrot
"dog on the roof of the car."
You mean in whats actually the safest place for the pet? Cause nothing says safety like an unsecured pet inside of a vehicle when it flips or crashes. Nothing says "undistracted driver" like a pet inside of a vehicle unrestrained either.
It was this kinda shit. Literally lambasting him for being responsible and doing what should be done.
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@Greyparrot
Can't really blame the country for going with Carter when Nixon was so recent though. Terrible liar, but ruthlessly competent. Still boasts the largest margin of victory in the modern era. You gotta go pre-WW2 to find the only 3 margins that were larger.
Electoral college i think it was actually the largest, though take that with a grain of salt. But Nixon only lost a few states. Couple in the Northeast, and a few in the south that we're still Democrat strongholds.
1968, Dixiecrat George Wallace split the Democrat vote in the South during the election and actually took most of them. Then him losing in the 1972 primary caused alot of Dems to not turn out in the South. I like how he's listed as a "far-right" politician on Wikipedia when Wallace was, except in 1968 in response to the CRA and VRA when he ran as an independent, a lifelong democrat 😂.
"Muh party flip because of the CRA and VRA"
Yes, because George Wallace running as an independent candidate and taking the states that were the staunchest Dixiecrat strongholds is absolutely evidence all these Dixiecrats moved to the GoP 😂😂.
1972 must boggle people's minds cause by their logic the entire county was racist in voting for Nixon 😂. Just don't pay attention to Wallace, he was so not splitting the Dem vote allowing Nixon to take the South 😂😂.
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@Greyparrot
I really liked your analysis of Jimmy Carter. he really was an honest, nice guy
Pretty much. I remember being a young buck and my Grandpa sitting me down and talking politics. I asked him what the worst president in his lifetime was. He answered Carter. Words were something along the lines of,
"It was Jimmy Carter. Your Grandma was in tears when he was elected. Not because he was a bad guy, no Carter is one of the kindest, most genuine, and honest politicians this country has elected. No, she and many others realized he was incompetent, and was going to get railroaded by the Soviets. He was weak, and we knew that was gonna get taken advantage of."
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@Greyparrot
Actually the key to recognising Trump as a white supremacist, nationalist is hearing him speak,
"You have ur nationalists, I love my country. You have your globalists, I love the world too, i want to help the world. But we have to straighten things out here first. We have to take care of our own problems."
I'm honestly missing the whole, "this is obviously advocacy for white supremacy" part. Trump speaks more plainly and transparently basic than most other presidents before him. It's what makes people reading so much into what he's saying hilarious.
What about his lack of sublety leads people to believe he's subtlely speaking in code? There's a major cognitive dissonance between Trump being simple and basic, and Trump being nefariously machievellian. Can't have it both ways, yet thats not gonna stop people from trying 😂
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@Tyrone
Only by basing your entire political paradigm on that myth can you come to the ludicrous conclusion that nationalism is racist
I was personally surprised to find out, since nationalism is racist, that Ghandi and the Dalai Llama were/are racist AF.
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@Plisken
He was labeled critically as not being able to relate to common people as I recall.
It's hard for people to relate to a spineless jellyfish who didnt stick up for himself. He lost any perception of strength the moment he let the moderator in a debate hijack it to lie on Obama's behalf and change the subject, disallowing him to speak any further on it.
Plus being constantly shit on as sexist, racist, and a "vulture capitalist" didn't help either.
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@Greyparrot
Straight up Orwellian is what it is sometimes. Constantly plaster someone and a political party as racist, homophobic, bigoted, white nationalist/supremacist, facist, etc. Then when they get angry and lash back, "omg look at that hostility. This just proves they are what is being accused of them!"
Same shit happened with Kavanaugh, cause its the same damn playbook. Accuse someone of heinous shit, then when they have the gall to be mildly angry at the accusations, "omg this just proves they're capable of it! How can you not see they did what they're accused of!?!"
Orwellian through and through, almost as if it's ripped straight from Ocenania and 1984.
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@Greyparrot
The absolute historical revisionism from people just to confirm their bias of "orange man bad". "You have to admit this admins lies are more concerning than past admins."
It's like people act like, and truly believe Trump was the inception of American politics. That all this hostility just appeared with him. Really is humurous
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@Plisken
You can listen to Trump, and understand what he is saying. The political translaters became irrelevant overnight
Ye, pretty much.
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"muh frequency"
Muh gawd, the last honest President was Jimmy Carter and he was absolutely inept and almost tanked this country. Some presidents are just terrible liars, some are more honest, but still liars. Then there's Carter. I mean, I'd be willing to try the honest to a fault guy who loves his country again, but that really didn't work out too well from what I can see 😐
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@Aporia
do you not think that theres an overarching force at play behind Trump's aggressive attacks on media that fail to push his narrative?
Yeah, the overarching force is that they've been shitting on him since day one. "Fail to push his narrative" you mean almost all MSM? Fox News is one of the few bastions away from "Orange man bad" being forced through my speakers like audible diarrhea 😂.
but as a reasonable person you have to be concerned somewhat with the blatancy and consistency of this administration's outright lies in comparison to those past
Not really, your shading the past disingenuously and acting like it was so much better before Trump. No it wasn't 😂. And what super aggregious lies has he been caught in?
What about being caught wiretapping press officials and expressing major dislike to news media AND brazenly and outright lying to them about crucial diplomatic negotiations? Has Trump done that?
Well not entirely, that was John F. Kennedy.
What about wiretapping political opponents? Campaign espionage? Using the executive branch such as FBI and DoJ to investigate political opponents? Trump done that? Well no, that was actually Nixon and Obama admins, and others beyond that.
What about smuggling drugs into the country from Latin American countries and disseminating them in inner cities? This one had to be Trump, no wait, it was Reagan.
And I could keep going all day, and you know I can. You'll have to excuse me if a President thats lies are mostly embellishments, making things appear grandiose, and extramarital affairs(shit thats Clinton and Kennedy too), seems at worst just as bad as that kinda stuff, and these Presidents are considered to be just dandy.
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@Greyparrot
and it's so blatantly obvious why the media conflates freedom of speech for democracy
Eh, its more conflating Acosta getting his hard pass revoked for an attack on the freedom of the press, like the WH banned press access altogether to one or more media organizations. Like they just went, "nope, we're done with CNN". CNN still can send other reporters, and had two including Acosta, so one still has a hard pass even now.
65 questions at that press conference, mostly bullshit ones, but "muh freedom of the press". "Freedom of Speech" isnt even relevant to this. You don't have the right to talk to representatives whenever you want? They're elected officials and have a job to do, and that doesnt include engaging every single person. They have an obligation and duty fmpov to keep the public informed and take into consideration public input.(petitions, polls, group leaders, etc.)
But if Trump wanted to shut down that conference or not even hold it at all and instead just do a press release, duty fulfilled.
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@Plisken
Sarah''s contradiction with Trump's rhetoric would be ironic to say the least.
If anything kind of poetic. Release fake news on a purveyor of fake news and watch them melt down over it and miss the point. Acosta's acting like he didn't commandeer the mic to argue with, not really ask questions of, POTUS for minutes.
This is in a room full of reporters waiting to ask questions of their own. Then, and not for the first time in his time in the press corp, standing back up and continuing to yell questions over other reporters. Truth is Acosta has gotten alot more slack than he should have over time.
And the press corp has largely gotten to the point where it's less asking questions overall, more just making statements at him to see his reaction. 65 "questions" and only a handful were regarding the speech he just gave.
It was alot of questions like, "some have said your recent statements labeling yourself as a nationalist, is really white nationalism, what do you have to say about that?"
His response was so simple.
"What a racist question. That's really just a racist question. Why do i have my highest polling right now with African Americans? You have nationalists, people who love their country. I love this country, love it's people. You have globalists, I love the world, i want to help the world. But we have to straighten things out here first, that's whats most important, taking care of here first."
It's like the simplest shit, but encapsulates how absurd the media, and the WH press corp as well, has gotten. "Some people say" no beesh, you say it. At least have the backbone to stand behind what you think instead of hiding behind "some people say".
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@Greyparrot
Surprised nobody is pointing out Acosta having his hard pass revoked doesn't mean he's barred from the WH altogether. Just means he has to go through security and clearance protocols like the rest of the peasantry he considers beneath him... which takes a little bit of time to process, paperwork needs to be signed, lotsa t's to cross and i's to dot. Plus Jim in HR has this back problem, so it's taking a bit of time 😏.
😂 I can just imagine the shit he's getting working through getting clearance again 😂
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@Greyparrot
"we need to stop demonizing people and do something about white men" -Don Lemon
It's like he can't go one sentence without shooting himself in the foot 😂
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
My guess is they will figure out a way to keep control over the device if it's on a payment plan, which makes sense
If it's on a payment plan then its already set in stone you owe that money. There's already legal recourse to recoup the expense, don't see why they'd allow such controls just because its under a payment plan.
Like, just because your house is under a mortgage doesn't mean you cant remodel it. Why would a phone being under a payment plan mean you can't modify it?
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@Greyparrot
Some media venues won't even allow you to call them a mob.
They're just peaceful protests protesters trying to break down doors and shouting "we know where you sleep at night". Sounds like a peaceful protest to me. Its laughable they did it to Tucker Carlson though, like the most moderate pundit on Fox News besides Hilton, who he's about equal with.
"Antifa means anti-facist. AnTi-FaSciSt. Nothing to see here, no mobs in sight." -Don Lemon
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@drafterman
(It's like chat for gaming, but has a lot of features. For example you could roll your own dice and it'd link with your character sheets
Noice
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@drafterman
Dont see why not? Could allow for some live RP'ing 😮
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
what has surprised me is the other reporters don't put pressure on him or black ball him
In 2017 there was some stuff from other reporters calling him out on it. He hasn't really stopped, yesterday was the last straw. He's been acting like an activist instead of a journalist for awhile now 😂.
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@drafterman
Snerp follows Eikka
(Get ready for a fight, not sure torches are gonna be as useful. Raven swarms are resistant to bludgeon, pierce, and slash damage, so keep that in mind.)
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Two people can do things wrong. Just because one person does something wrong doesn't mean any and everything and all things done against them in response is automatically acceptable.
And something being done wrongly to one who has done wrong, does not excuse the original wrongdoing.
The White House shouldn't be using doctored footage as evidence against someone. Period. This statement is true, regardless of the factuality of the accusation.
And, if this was a court of law, you're absolutely right that the case of the prosecution would be diminished by the use of doctored evidence.
Depending on to what extent it was doctored. Tampering with evidence is a crime, but tampered evidence does not necessarily excuse a party of guilt in a crime. If in a court of law the question would be, in the example,
"Did that person smash the windows?"
In this case the question is
"Did Acosta use force to prevent the microphone from being taken from him and passed to another reporter?"
Sped up or not, the question at hands answer doesn't change from yes to no. Sped up or not, guilt is established regardless of video tampering.
Agreed on all points. But I think a White House that habitually lies is more concerning than an aggressive reporter.
If you're going to expand the scope of the issue, which is what you are doing here, then its usually a good idea for your portrayal is itself to not be predicated upon selectively specious points.
"A white house that lies habitually"
As compared to a press that lies habitually? As opposed to administration's for decades, and really the entire nations history, lying about all manner of things to a habitual extent?
I agree that in comparison an administration lying is far more signifigant than a nominally "aggressive" act. It really wasn't aggressive fmpov either. But if ur talking about habitual lying in politics, the scope is now a specious comparison. In that it ignores preceding lies, and requires that lying during the current administration = that which it hasn't before, and changes the primary questions at hand.
If it's parsed along lines of that signifigance, then the question isnt even about just the action of the reporter anymore. It becomes a general "did the reporter get the opportunity to ask a fair amount of questions?"
Yes, he asked 2(or 3) questions prior to the incident. That's fair, and if I'm not mistaken usually a reporter only gets one. So the reporter was given even more leeway than normal. How fascist, authoritarian, and corrupt.
And also includes "was the reporters pass revoked unjustifiably?"
Which itself is answered by examining what the reporter did. Which is itself clear, sped up or not, that he did act in a manner that merits revocation of a press pass. So it is justifiable.
The only present evidence of something sinister going on is a released video that sure, does def look doctored given present evidence. But the "concern" is missing other key elements, and those elements illustrate the opposite of this being of great signifigance.
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On an independent note, the whole "he was silencing me because I was asking tough questions!" Acosta is saying is funny.
I'm sure patronizing PotUS had nothing to do with it.
Then to start in about Russia 😂. The lines was drawn on that in the speech if i recall by Trump himself. If the house starts investigating, the Senate will investigate the investigators. Two can play the, "show me the man I'll show you the crime" game.
Or Dems can choose to work on bipartisan legislation, like desperately needed infrastructure reform among other opportunities presented by a split congress. But no, instead it's gonna be an hour and a half of mostly questions about white nationalism, patronizing Trump, and Russia, as if there was confusion about the line that was drawn there.
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It was edited! Says the people being played for suckers cause they dont know how cameras and video editing work.
What next? Clearly if you look at the original video her arm looks like it moves far less when Acostas hand comes down on it!"
Yes, because the further away from something you are in perspective, the less perceptible movements appear. What more about our own senses and how cameras and editing works is it required we cover?
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What about the evidence that the WH used a doctored video to support their argument against Acosta?
It was an edited video that zoomed in on the Acosta and the intern.
The claim was that it was doctored in a fashion that speeds it up. But it's almost like things automatically look faster when they're zoomed in cause now the frames focus has changed, centered around a smaller area, which causes a blurry effect to movements outside it.
For a comparison look at football broadcasts. When they take closer looks in replays such as on hits, they slow it down. This is necessarily to keep the picture itself clear and remove motion blur. The video is "doctored" in the sense that it zoomed in on the exchange. But the speeds from original, to zoom, if you actually comprehend how cameras operate, wasn't actually changed, it just looks that way as a natural by by product of zooming in.
Seriously, the argument being made here is basically, "i did put my hands on her and refuse to acquiesce the mic after already asking a couple questions. But the video is doctored so that means I did nothing wrong!"
No, even if the original offense was still committed. If you smash somebodies windows, and they come out with a video that shows you smashing their windows. It doesn't matter whether it's sped up or zoomed in. That doesn't change that you smashed their windows. What kind of fantasy world does one have to live in where that's what it means?
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Pot calling the kettle black on Trump calling Acosta rude, but lord that was a looooong time comin. About time he came out and said it.
I think Trump was emboldened after every one of his endorsements won tbh. Acosta had to go and put his hands on the intern to stop her from getting the mic too apparently, preceding Acosta being chastised, so now he's gone from the WH(for now?o). Free to try and talk at CNN all day about how persecuted he is 😂.
This was one of those situations that would have been so worth it if i were in Trumps shoes. Dude has family that is Jewish, and CNN has people on trying to attribute the recent synagogue shooting to him. Saying he's radicalized more people than ISIS, appealing to white nationalists, etc. I'd be ready to throw down tbh 😂
The worlds different reaction from Trump between MSNBC and CNN was funny.
"Well you know how it(MSNBC) is, and i can't change that"
"You wanna talk about voter suppression? Take a look at CNN's polling, that's voter suppression.(it was abysmally bad?)"
🔥So Spicy🔥
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
we can act like drunks to go un-noticed and the smell of wine on us will help)
I'm not saying this like i object, cause of course i don't(Thaddeus Thread represent), but that's gonna require alot of drinking to still be smelling strongly of wine 24+ hours later.
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@drafterman
(Meet up with Yev and Szol at the gates then to the winery i suppose. oooh boy, afternoon drinks sound rightcheous)
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