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@Speedrace
That's a hypothetical, Speed. If town followed my lead, town would have won. This is not disputable because I expressly said that lynching Croc/Speed was the winning play.
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@Speedrace
I repeatedly said to never lynch Water or Luna, and to lynch Croc/Speed.
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If you followed my lead, town wins. A good example of why to follow behaviors, not role claims.
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Don't be dumb, Luna. Please follow my read on this. You will lose the game if you lynch me and then Water. At the very least, lynch Croc after lynching me, not Water.
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Croc's language on D1 shows that he also KNEW water was town. Just read it again. All three scum kept telling me that Water was obviously joking, etc. And that it wasnt scummy. My perception was towny, theirs wasn't. Notice how Croc thinks exactly the same as Supa and Sir. They were coordinating a lynch on me. Why? Because they knew I was voting town and I was a "newb"
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Okay I'll case Croc. There's clear evidence he's scum when reading in retrospect. The three scum pushed my mislynch on D1 because they KNEW that Water was town. They turned my push onto Water into something bigger than it was, because from their perspective, my behavior was clearly anti town. Townies didn't see it that way so clearly, b cause they were uninformed.
Croc immediately calling out Sir was also suspect. Townies don't pay that close attention, but Croc knew Sir had messed up because they probably talked about the fake claim a bunch in the mafia PM.
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Speed, why do you doubt it's Croc?
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Water wanting to lynch Lunatic is another massive town tell, btw. Scum don't make such a bold move here.
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@WaterPhoenix
Luna, please unvote me so I can explain.
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Okay, throw the game. Whatever.
You want cases, I can make them. I'm just getting my vote out there.
You want cases, I can make them. I'm just getting my vote out there.
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Ghoul sounds like a mafia role, btw.
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I'll reread to make sure, but I don't see Luna or Water ever flipping scum.
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Mafia isn't underpowered by any means. I actually think the game is somewhat mafia sided.
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I'm ascetic. This is why I said not to target me. I was partly trying to avoid dying from mafia.
Speed's description of his role sounds like something he gets later in the game, not from the start. Delayed list of roles actually provides a lot of benefit to mafia, even with a role cop.
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I didn't say Speed's role is fake. It's real. It also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.
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@Lunatic
To be clear, I don't believe roles ever confirm anything. I only follow behavioral evidence. That evidence points to last scum in the group of Croc/Speed, and I'm going to stick with that, regardless of whatever speculation you want to do regarding roles. I'll also note that my current approach is how I've won countless games that otherwise would have been lost, so I feel this is the best approach.
I'll write up extensive town case on both Luna and Water before day ends to make sure they aren't mislynched.
I'll write up extensive town case on both Luna and Water before day ends to make sure they aren't mislynched.
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I don't know any of these roles, and for the most part I don't really care. I don't believe Luna or Water are mafia. That leaves Speed/Croc.
I was immediately suspicious of Croc yesterday. That's who I'd lynch today. If the game isn't over, we could be looking at some sort of mafia role from Speed - something that's delayed so it helps mafia fakeclaim if they last long enough.
I was immediately suspicious of Croc yesterday. That's who I'd lynch today. If the game isn't over, we could be looking at some sort of mafia role from Speed - something that's delayed so it helps mafia fakeclaim if they last long enough.
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Croc's role counters town Avenger, in case that wasn't clear.
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I was thinking Croc was last scum yesterday when he immediately called Sir out. This seems most likely to me.
As I said before, I won't lynch Water. Do with that as you will.
As I said before, I won't lynch Water. Do with that as you will.
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Failure to accurately read behaviors doesn't mean behaviors don't confirm. Notice I was correct about Water, for example. That specific tell works against any player who doesn't know it.
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I'd like to know who Sir used his role on each night.
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Town Intel means scum had a viable alternative to bussing, which in turn increases the likelihood that Supa's voters are town.
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@SirAnonymous
As long as you believe that, you won't improve. Your choice.
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Do not under any circumstances lynch or waste investigation on Water. He's locktown. Please trust me on this.
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For the most part, this looks like a case where scum had every reason to bus Supa because the alternative was bussing Intelligence. It was a lose-lose situation. If Intelligence flips scum, it should clear Danielle & indicate that last scum is Speed.
If Intelligence is town, I'd take a closer look at Danielle as potential scum. Town Intelligence clears Luna, Sir, Bear, & Water - never lynch these four if that's the flip.
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I'd especially like to know why Speed was so opposed to lynching Intelligence yesterday.
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I'll reiterate that Water & Sir shouldn't be lynched. I also think it's likely that Croc & Luna are town. This leaves Intelligence, Speed, Bear, or Danielle as scum. Lynch these four, and town should easily win without much trouble.
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Is anyone in the game opposed to lynching Intelligence?
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Just trust me on Water. He's scum's last chance for an easy mislynch, and I will do everything in my power to make sure that doesn't happen.
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@Speedrace
No. Scum don't defend their buddies that hard when it's just a weak newbie pushing them. He was pushing my lynch because he KNEW that my play was anti-town. The problem is, townies aren't supposed to know this.
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Supa pushed me hard because he knew I was pushing a mislynch, and it's easy as scum to push townies who you KNOW are playing "anti-town."
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I explained Water. Supa's #1 scum tell was claiming over & over that I was mislynching Water. Supa knew that Water was town.
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If Intelligence were town, more scum would have voted. Don't forget, I was counter-wagon to Intelligence.
Intelligence also called me defensive when I wasn't. It's a perception that doesn't come from the perspective of someone trying to solve the game. It comes from the mindset of a predetermined outcome.
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I'm never voting Water, not even if investigated guilty. Just so you know.
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I'm curious why more scum didn't vote Intelligence.
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@SirAnonymous
You are wrong. Behaviors are the only confirmation of anything in this game, and they are definitely confirming.
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I guess we can ignore Bear & Speed for the moment, since they safely could have voted Intelligence instead of Supa.
I'd like to figure Intelligence out ASAP. If cop investigated him, please out result. His alignment solves the game fully.
I'd like to figure Intelligence out ASAP. If cop investigated him, please out result. His alignment solves the game fully.
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Anyway, there's clearly four confirmed town.
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Supa's main scum tell was knowing Water's alignment. Don't lynch that player.
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I need to reread to say who the others are, forgot the game already.
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It's fairly clear from yesterday that Luna, Sir, & Water are town. Never lynch these.
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Luna, I don't think I'm who you think I am, btw.
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I already answered your questions, Water. It seems like you aren't reading the game.
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@WaterPhoenix
What're your reads?
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