Not sure what the big deal would be if it is. Doesn't negate the gods that exist now.
(IFF) Deism is true (THEN) what?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Doesn't negate the gods that exist now.
What "gods" are those, and where do they exist?
All of them.
Hard polytheism: the belief that gods are distinct, separate, real divine beings, rather than archetypes or personifications of natural forces. Hard polytheists reject the idea that "all gods are one god."
Omnism: all religions contain truths, but that no one religion offers all that is truth.
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@Polytheist-Witch
the belief that gods are distinct, separate, real divine beings, rather than archetypes or personifications of natural forces.
Ok, but you have called them "beings". A being is the nature or essence of a person. You then make it clear that they are NOT personifications of nature/natural forces.
So, where do these "beings" that you have called "gods" exist?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Not sure what the big deal would be if it is. Doesn't negate the gods that exist now.
Atheism doesn't "negate the gods" either, simply not being convinced is not itself evidence of non-existence.
Deism is a bridge that atheists should be able to cross because Deism is functionally identical to atheism.
Deism moves the conversation forward to the good bit, "which gods are the most believable?"
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@Polytheist-Witch
Hard polytheism: the belief that gods are distinct, separate, real [please define what you mean by "real"] divine beings, rather than archetypes or personifications of natural forces. Hard polytheists reject the idea that "all gods are one god." [but did they possibly all come from the same source?]Omnism: all religions [excluding animism and pantheism?] contain [unverifiable, unfalsifiable] truths, but that no one religion [except Omnism and Syncretism] offers all that is [unverifiable, unfalsifiable] truth.
This sounds interesting.
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@3RU7AL
My dad is a deist. He believes "god" died when the universe began.
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@Polytheist-Witch
My dad is a deist. He believes "god" died when the universe began.
Deism is the belief that God created the universe, but does not interact with it.I'd say a Deistic being "created" the universe with perfect planning and perfect execution so no further ad-hoc modification would be needed.A perfect "god" is incapable of making "mistakes" that need to be "cleaned up" like Noah's flood and Sodom and Gomorrah (what a horrific mess!!).Naturally this denies the incarnation. It also denies God's omnipresence.Actually "god's" omnipresence (in a Deistic framework) is a logical necessity. A Deistic being would necessarily "create" the universe out of itself and within itself.It's probably a dualistic heresy.Substance dualism is logically incoherent.Deism is monism.
I would like to point out that it would be, not only an anthropomorphic fallacy to say "god died" (or even "lived"), but also, and more importantly, (the implication that god does not exist is) a logically impossible conclusion. (IFF) god = big bang (AND) big bang = the sum total of all possible energy in existence (THEN) the big bang still exists today, it is still happening, and everyone and everything is part of it (THEREFORE) because energy exists, god necessarily exists (at least ontologically based on the axioms presented, which approximate Spinoza's proof, Ordine Geometrico Demonstrata).
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@Polytheist-Witch
Not sure what the big deal would be if it is. Doesn't negate the gods that exist now.
But the real question is, who has the best god?
The answer is here - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3v5yui
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@3RU7AL
I can't see that to comment right now.
Omnism: all religions [excluding animism and pantheism?] contain [unverifiable, unfalsifiable] truths, but that no one religion [except Omnism and Syncretism]offers all that is [unverifiable, unfalsifiable] truth.
Animism is more of a belief system than a religion but I am an animist so yes I believe it is legit. You don't need a god in animism. Yes Pantheism, Jainism, Buddhism, Satanism or any non god practice would be legit if for no other reason self discovery while keeping yourself in perspective of the universe and eternity.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Ok, that sounds fun. Can I join a local chapter?Animism is more of a belief system than a religion but I am an animist so yes I believe it is legit. You don't need a god in animism. Yes Pantheism, Jainism, Buddhism, Satanism or any non god practice would be legit if for no other reason self discovery while keeping yourself in perspective of the universe and eternity.
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@3RU7AL
The Truth certainly makes a better God than these vain imaginings and false gods.
There is one True God.
Why compromise?
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@Mopac
I'd just change that ever so slightly:The Truth certainly makes a better God than these vain imaginings and false gods.
"The truth certainly makes a better god than these vain imaginings and false gods."
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@Mopac
The Truth certainly makes a better God than these vain imaginings and false gods.There is one True God.Why compromise?
(IFF) "NTURTTGgTS" (Noumenon, The Ultimate Reality, The Truth, [G]god, The Source) is true (a logical necessity) (THEN) what?
The "NTURTTGgTS" does not tell us how to act. It cannot tell you right from wrong. It has absolutely no explanatory power.
The "NTURTTGgTS" sounds like it would be a very boring companion. These other gods seem like oodles of fun!!
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@3RU7AL
Chapter of what?
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@3RU7AL
You don't believe that The Truth tells you anything?
Go ahead and put fun as an idol before God if you want. Seems pretty popular these days. It will ultimately not fulfil you and has no power to save you.
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@Mopac
It's actually quite natural to put anything that exists before imaginary beliefs.
11 days later
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@Mopac
(IFF) "NTURTTGgTS" (Noumenon, The Ultimate Reality, The Truth, [G]god, The Source) is true (a logical necessity) (THEN) what?
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) "NTURTTGgTS" (Noumenon, The Ultimate Reality, The Truth, [G]god, The Source) is true (a logical necessity) (THEN) what?
Then.... then we'd need a snappier name for it?
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@keithprosser
Then.... then we'd need a snappier name for it?
Perhaps, "the thing that made the things for which there is no known maker"?
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@3RU7AL
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it."
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@Mopac
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it."
Who do you buy it from and what do you do with it once you have it in your hand?
And how do you know if it is a fake?
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@Mopac
And what is that pearl?
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@janesix
@3RU7AL
Go with Christ.
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@Mopac
How do you do that.
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@janesix
I would recommend going to an Orthodox Church. I would recommend bothering the priest with all your questions. I would recommend reading the books in their library. I would recommend being charitable rather than dismissive. You have to want it to click.
There is really only so much that can be done through this environment, the internet that is.
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@Mopac
So are you saying one needs to sell everything they own in order to join your favorite flavor of Jesusology?I would recommend going to an Orthodox Church. I would recommend bothering the priest with all your questions. I would recommend reading the books in their library. I would recommend being charitable rather than dismissive. You have to want it to click.
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@Mopac
If Jesus is real, I certainly want to know and believe.
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@janesix
If Ahura Mazda is real, I certainly want to know and believe.If Jesus is real, I certainly want to know and believe.
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@3RU7AL
Me too. That's why I keep looking.