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I'm not sure that quantification is a necessary requirement of effective vaccination.
Then why are "chances" and "statistics" even relevant?

One either accepts the efficacy of the smallpox vaccine or one doesn't.
So, have faith? I'm all for that if certain variables were controlled.

Thereby inferring the efficacy of vaccination as an effective therapy against contagious pathogens.
So if quantification isn't the measure of efficacy, what is?

So, another question.

What is the purpose of the Big Vaccination Conspiracy?
Take your pick: social, political, and economic "engineering." Population control. Shoring up demand in pharmaceutical placebos. Luciferian Ritualism, etc.


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You mean, simple greed isn't a motive to create a demand for vaccines? Surprised you left that off your list of reasons.
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It's important that we keep this topic on the front page of DebateArt.  It should drive any women away.

And yes, I am saying women are too smart to go to a shit-hole site.
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@Greyparrot
You mean, simple greed isn't a motive to create a demand for vaccines? Surprised you left that off your list of reasons.
Haha, I thought that was implicit. But greed is definitely a reason--if not, the primary reason.
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@FLRW
It's important that we keep this topic on the front page of DebateArt.  It should drive any women away.

And yes, I am saying women are too smart to go to a shit-hole site.
Perhaps you can create yet another account and pretend to be female? That way, we can gauge the value female qualified participation would bring to this alleged "shit-hole site."
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@Athias
Haha, I thought that was implicit. But greed is definitely a reason--if not, the primary reason.
This sounds like irrational conspiracy theory to me.  

Nutters who follow irrational lines of thought process are perhaps in the millions on Earth albeit, various groups may focus on medical, political, sports, money, greed etc type issues, to whatever degree.

This is not to say that greed or worse is not existent to some degree in medical health field, only that over many years of vaccination existent, I dont think greed is high on list of reasons most vaccinations exist, and rather doubt you or other  { OGP } have evidence of other.


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This sounds like irrational conspiracy theory to me.  
Naturally, I assumed it would.

Nutters who follow irrational lines of thought process are perhaps in the millions on Earth albeit,
Irrational? How so?

various groups may focus on medical, political, sports, money, greed etc type issues, to whatever degree.
How is this relevant?

This is not to say that greed or worse is not existent to some degree in medical health field, only that over many years of vaccination existent, I dont think greed is high on list of reasons most vaccinations exist, and rather doubt you or other  { OGP } have evidence of other.
I have no more evidence for one's state of mind than you do. And while true that proposing greed is a primary reason is mere assumption--and I don't dispute at all that it is an assumption--assumption doesn't indicate "irrationality." Your counterargument pretty much sums up to "I don't think you're right about what you think," for which the evidence is as much as mine.

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Some conspiracies are true others not. 

And those conspiracies can occur in any field of human activity.

Sometimes the true ones are exposed via well documented facts, and sometimes they are not. When this latter happens we are left to circumstantial evidence, and/or our confidence in those who say the conspiracy is true, or not.

Greed being the primary reason for covid vaccine or all other to exist I do not believe is truth.

Yes,  in some peoples minds, who intimately involved in the process of discovering a vaccine, greed for money may be their primary reason.  When we have evidence of them saying that was their primary reason, then we can only accept their word at face value, unless there is circumstantial evidence to dissuade us from believing their comments are not true.




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Some conspiracies are true others not. 
Naturally.

Sometimes the true ones are exposed via well documented facts,
Define a "well documented fact."

When this latter happens we are left to circumstantial evidence,
Define "circumstantial evidence."

our confidence in those who say the conspiracy is true, or not.
"Confidence" is a moot point since, and I assume, that the juxtaposition between "well documented fact" and "circumstantial evidence" also serves to produce "confidence."

Greed being the primary reason for covid vaccine or all other to exist I do not believe is truth.
That is your prerogative.

When we have evidence of them saying that was their primary reason, then we can only accept their word at face value,
Fair enough.

unless there is circumstantial evidence to dissuade us from believing their comments are not true.
What about patents for the virus which stem as far back as the 80's? What about counterproductive lock downs and mask mandates? What about the media's exaggerating and outright lying about the virus's epidemicity? What about the disinformation pedaled by the White House's Chief Medical Advisor,  Anthony Faucci? What about pushing a vaccine only months after trials, when the effects of a vaccine aren't typically produced until after a decade of trials? What about the lack of investigation into the Moderna vaccine and how this vaccine "teaches" cells to produce COVID spike proteins? What about the fact that an overwhelming majority of unvaccinated individuals have survived this COVID "epidemic/pandemic"?

But, you can believe whatever you want.
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But, you can believe whatever you want.
Beliefs can be true, not or combination of both.

Truth exists and sometimes, with well documented facts to confirm the truth of what we believed to be true.

Sometimes were left to circumstantial evidence and/or our confidence in others telling of what they believe they know.


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Beliefs can be true, not or combination of both.
Beliefs are always true.

Truth exists and sometimes, with well documented facts to confirm the truth of what we believed to be true.
Once again, define "well documented."

Sometimes were left to circumstantial evidence and/or our confidence in others telling of what they believe they know.
Once again, define "circumstantial evidence."
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Beliefs are always true.
Like the past belief that the Earth was flat?
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Like the past belief that the Earth was flat?
I'll play devil's advocate. Suppose I do believe that the Earth is flat. Is my belief not true, or does the object of my belief lack verifiable data consistent with accepted scientific metrics?

Take your time to consider what it is I'm actually asking.

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@Athias
Like the past belief that the Earth was flat?
I'll play devil's advocate. Suppose I do believe that the Earth is flat. Is my belief not true, or does the object of my belief lack verifiable data consistent with accepted scientific metrics?

Take your time to consider what it is I'm actually asking.
Are you actually asking, or are you actually saying something in order to obtain an answer or some information?

Take your time to consider what it is you are actually doing.