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Though risk of death is higher relative to age and health status at time of infection.
Hi Zed.  Last I read, 1% of those over 65  --I presume this was USA only, not sure---   died from Covid related infections.

Ive had all Covid vaccinations, and to best of my knowledge Ive not had Covid yet.  That is surprising to some considering my work environment, where sometimes { once or twice a day } I was not masked and relatively near coworkers.

Ive heard of few stories from coworkers, who knew people with Covid infections that had died or resultant complications.

I have two friends { over 65 years of age }  who had heart complications months after Covid infection.  Ive not talked to them personally so I got this info from my wife and other friends of mine who friends of those persons. That was a year or so ago. More  recently { last few months } there was a spread of Covid in my area, and most of my friends reported terrible headaches and at least one of them has had extended issues. She is over 65.

Again, I moved out of my house at beginning of Covid and into $2,000. RV behind wife's/our house, so as not to infect my wife --should I get infected at work-- who has life long asthma, high blood pressure, and had mild stroke few years back and couple of health issues.   That move cost me/her about $6,000. in total.

We still hang out together and for most part Ive always masked in house with her, except when Covid infections dropped way off a year and half or so ago.  Plus on some occasions we have tested before times were going to be together for extended periods of time  --ex vacation etc---.

Ive had one very bad flu infection some 25 years ago, with high temperature, body/head aches and no sleep for 3 days --- by myself with wife gone away at the time and firewood stove to maintain for warmth as it was middle of winter---.  Another cold or flu maybe 15 years ago that put me out of work and in bed or resting for 5 days cause I had no energy.  I dont recall high fever, however, I do remmber the first day I drove my truck again to get some materials for a construction job, I was so happy { tho still subdued energy levels } to be able to drive a all.

Some 40  years ago I had ..." The medical name is Shigella sonnei, but it's one of the germs that causes shigellosis — otherwise known as “Delhi belly” or “Montezuma's revenge.” Many international travelers are sadly familiar with the stomach cramps, diarrhea and nausea that can ruin a vacation or business trip."..

Tho not mentioned in this blurb, I had high temp for a day during this event. So, other than measles, mumps and chicken pox as a child, the above is my worst sick days that come to mind. With viral on two occasions and bacteria one. 

Finally, I just had a total reverse shoulder replacement so I certainly did not any viral or bacteria infections before, or near time of surgery, or even now { two weeks out from the surgery and living in this old shack of a house }. Tho it is not winter and I now use electric and propane { if very cold } heat.  I have firewood stove { not connected } if worse came to worse.

Currently the big issue is township is in drought and we're be asked to conserve water.  Yikes!  No fresh water is becoming larger issue globally. Yikes! And were not in a war zone like Ukraine or Gaza.
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1% seems high and given the number of fat fucks in America, that high of a death toll wouldn't surprise me
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 Vaccination won't prevent one from contracting a virus.

Though it will limit the effects of the virus.

It was only testing that confirmed my infection, as the symptoms were less severe than that of a common cold.

I can only speculate about other possible outcomes if I had not been vaccinated.

It's reckoned that around 15% of people (UK) have never contracted Covid...Reasons unknown.

I'm not sure about your Flu comment, though the flu is also a viral infection with potentially lethal consequences for some.

Flu vaccines are recommended every autumn for the elderly and infirm (UK), and are also available for anyone else who so chooses.

Though predicting Flu strains is  something of a gamble.

I think that I am older than you, but I have not as yet chosen to have the Flu vaccine.

A fourth Covid vaccine is now available and I think that I will give this a miss also.

Though it's good to have the option.

An option that all those millions of people who died from TB never had.


I rarely if ever do flabbergasted.

Do you flabbergast on a regular basis.


Regards 

Zed.
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Really,

You should just say a prayer over a 700 mililiters of water, and then drink it all.

Then covid goes away.

Although I wouldnt suggest Christian prayers.
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" Vaccination won't prevent one from contracting a virus."

"Though it will limit the effects of the virus."

"I can only speculate about other possible outcomes if I had not been vaccinated."

What evidence is there that the vaccine you took limited any affects? How is this even  scientifically proven given literally no time to even conduct a credible study. It takes years to prove such a thing.


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Bro what even is this site now 💀 

Mike, you gotta clean this place up. Your site is filled with trolls, toxic partisans, and people who can’t stop frothing at the mouth over the existence of Jews (or Muslims, or Christians, or blacks, or whites… it really varies from asshole to asshole; they all have some demographic they blame for all the world’s problems).

I’m all for free speech, but last I checked the speech we’re supposed to be advertising here is debate and discussion… and the speech we seem to be advertising to new members now is the kind of speech that prevents all of that stuff.
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As I said, we can speculate.

You and I both.

A. Though statistics do indicate the efficacy of the vaccine.

B. Though for sure, statistics could have an alternative explanation.

Nonetheless, based upon a cause and effect principle A is more likely because there is a demonstrable cause. Namely a vaccine.

Whereas B has no demonstrable cause. Only conspiracy theory styled speculation.
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Hmmmmmm?

Please clarify.
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Hmmmmm?

Please clarify.
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Sounds like some weak ass sudo  science. "Speculate"
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Uh no!

Still, drinking lots of water helps with covid, no?
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CDC COVID-19 Study Shows mRNA Vaccines Reduce Risk of Infection by 91 Percent for Fully Vaccinated People

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There hasn't been sufficient time to conduct a true scientific study to give conclusive results. You can believe it if you want. I don't for one second because its from the CDC. They will say exactly what they are told to say. The CDC is a proven source of worthless sudo science.
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Yep, speculation could be regarded as pseudo-science.

That is what I was sort of suggesting.
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For sure, being properly hydrated is always good.
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China's Bejing is smog hole.

..." Many of Beijing's 22 million residents donned face masks on Wednesday morning as they snaked through streets shrouded in a grey haze.
The pollution in some areas has been classified as "severe" and has at times lowered visibility to less than 50 metres (164 feet).

Beijing has experienced five days with "unhealthy" pollution levels in the last week, compared to just three such days in the past three weeks, air quality monitoring firm IQAir's data showed.

IQAir said Beijing was the third most-polluted major city on Earth on Wednesday, just ahead of Bangladesh's capital Dhaka.
Beijing's concentrations of hazardous PM 2.5 particles were more than 20 times higher than World Health Organisation guidelines, the firm said. "
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@sadolite
" Vaccination won't prevent one from contracting a virus."

"Though it will limit the effects of the virus."

"I can only speculate about other possible outcomes if I had not been vaccinated."

What evidence is there that the vaccine you took limited any affects? How is this even  scientifically proven given literally no time to even conduct a credible study. It takes years to prove such a thing.

Sounds like some weak ass sudo  science. "Speculate"

There hasn't been sufficient time to conduct a true scientific study to give conclusive results. You can believe it if you want.
Well stated.

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CDC COVID-19 Study Shows mRNA Vaccines Reduce Risk of Infection by 91 Percent for Fully Vaccinated People

Risks that are determined by ecological inferences. Not to mention, the "study" was conducted over a 17 week period (vaccines usually take up to a decade in trials to conclude anything) and the samples were self-obtained. Answer this question for me: why have I yet to die from COVID after being not only unvaccinated, but also exposed for almost four years?
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My guess is Covid is just the flu renamed. Remember when hundreds of millions got the flu every year and thousands died all across the world every year. The flu has mysteriously just disappeared. I did some searching and you would be hard pressed to even find flu statistics . Millions still get Covid and thousands die. Kinda sounds just like the flu doesn't it.
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 why have I yet to die from COVID after being not only unvaccinated, but also exposed for almost four years?
I guess God protects you.
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My guess is Covid is just the flu renamed.

Now, who am I more likely to listen to?

A. Sadolite

B. A Virologist.

Well, if I have a preoccupation with conspiracy theory then probably Sadolite.


And from a non-conspiratorial point of view I would suggest that the reduction in the effects of the Influenza Virus is perhaps a lot to do with VACCINATION.


Q. Why has life expectancy doubled over the past 250 years?

A. Definitely not luck.


And Sadolites fellow trypanophobic Athias (just jibing), is still alive, because( in respect of the Covid virus) the chances of still being alive are far greater than not.

Nonetheless, prevention is better than cure as those conspiring health professionals would have us believe.


Stay safe Guys.
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Now, who am I more likely to listen to?

A. Sadolite

B. A Virologist.

If I am not mistaken the CDC is your source for all things Covid, not a virologist.  But anyway I never said you had to listen to me just as I don't have to listen to the CDC

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If I'm not mistaken, you guessed that Covid was the same as Flu.

So in my opinion, a virologist would be the best person to either confirm or deny your guess.

Though I'm guessing that you're also guessing that all virologists are proponents of the big Covid conspiracy.
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I guess God protects you.
Always.
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Now, who am I more likely to listen to?

A. Sadolite

B. A Virologist.

Well, if I have a preoccupation with conspiracy theory then probably Sadolite.
Who are you going to listen to about the QUANTIFICATION of a virus's epidemicity:

A. A website which can't clarify or argue back? Or...
B. A person who works as a data analyst, having a master's in Quantitative Methods & Social Analysis, who understands the ins-and-outs of logistic regressions, reference categorization, multivariate analysis, as well as the issues concerning rendering ecological inferences using complex datasets. Or to put simply, "a trypanophobe"?

I've gone toe-to-toe with virologists (even on this forum) and other physicians on this subject (remember, my family is lousy with physicians and health care professionals.) And no matter the profession--no matter the level of  education--one cannot escape the LOGIC.

I would suggest that the reduction in the effects of the Influenza Virus is perhaps a lot to do with VACCINATION.
Which effects were reduced?

Q. Why has life expectancy doubled over the past 250 years?

A. Definitely not luck.
No one claimed that it was luck. But perhaps clean water, better personal hygiene, increased workplace safety has a more tangible effect on increased life expectancy, than the uncontrolled and unsubstantiated efficacy of a vaccine?

And Sadolites fellow trypanophobic Athias (just jibing),
I'm in stitches.

is still alive, because( in respect of the Covid virus) the chances of still being alive are far greater than not.
But what does this indicate to me individually? Why were the "chances" of those did contract the virus and succumbed worse?

prevention is better than cure as those conspiring health professionals would have us believe.
You don't need a vaccine for that.

Stay safe Guys.
Thank you.


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One cannot escape the logic.
Exactly my point.
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Exactly my point.
Is it? Because the logic isn't on your side since your argument operates on post hoc and ecological inference fallacies.
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@Athias
Logic tends to slap one in the face.

Or not as the case may be.


So, simple question:

Why did Edward Jenner bother?


Or was he the founder member of the Big Vaccination Conspiracy Club.
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Logic tends to slap one in the face.

Or not as the case may be.
I don't follow: were you trying to make a logical point, or arguing the consequences of its application?

So, simple question:

Why did Edward Jenner bother?
I wouldn't know; I would have had to have spoken with him for that answer. I would assume he was attempting to expedite the body's natural inoculation. The intention however neither speaks to nor substantiates the quantification of vaccine effects.

Or was he the founder member of the Big Vaccination Conspiracy Club.
Perhaps. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a part of some Masonic lodge at the time.
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I'm not sure that quantification is a necessary requirement of effective vaccination.

One either accepts the efficacy of the smallpox vaccine or one doesn't.

Thereby inferring the efficacy of vaccination as an effective therapy against contagious pathogens.


So, another question.

What is the purpose of the Big Vaccination Conspiracy?