The Hamas attack on Israel

"Stop attacking after we attack you first and we pro.ise like e have hundreds of times and lied that we will stop being aggressive towards you

Israel only responds

You want them to wave the white flag

I do not ever recall calling Palestine terrorists,

I 'do recall calling Hamas terrorists.

When people risk death, injury, and jail, to protest American actions,

That is outrage enough.

Outrage 'towards America, by Americans,

'Not 'just our enemies as 'you say.

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There is a difference between an 'action,

And an action as a 'profession.

Israel needs a buffer zone in a area known for terrorists

You only have two options.

In this case, Hamas is not a terrorist either, since Hamas doesnt do anything that USA hasnt done worse.

In this case, USA cannot judge Hamas.

Now take your pick. Is USA terrorist or not?

I pick USA not terrorist,

Within the generally vague understood meaning of the word terrorist.

I pick America 'can judge Hamas.

If you make a debate with the title,

America should be considered a terrorist organization,

I will read it, consider it,

But I don't think you'll win it, if you go against a half decent opponent.

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For myself, there 'are little particulars I need to move around, define,

Before I have a strong view on this conversation of ours,

Though I still lean towards America 'not being a terrorist organization.

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Hm, I don't recall American paramilitary suicide bombers towards civilians, ever being much of a mainstream event in our history.

Of course, when most of the voters here are US supporters, and one of them is Oromagi who somehow manages to outweight 3 other votes when he votes.

Since you picked that USA is not a terrorist, it follows that Hamas is not a terrorist either since USA committed much greater crimes against civilians than Hamas. So there is nothing left to debate anymore.

You don't think you can find 3 judges capable of some objectivity?

I disagree, and still consider Hamas a terrorist organization,

And consider America 'not a terrorist organization,

Though I admit I am still thinking on what you have said.

nearly all of terrorism is blowback, so if they stop creating terrorists and acting like terrorists it may accomplish the same thing in an ethical way

so you would create more terrorists instead of stopping terrorism?

Why do you support terrorism and support an approach that creates more terrorists instead of an approach that eliminates them?

What if the Mother is in the Armed Forces?

What if I'm an enlisted soldier and the shooter isn't?

All three of us could be regarded as combatant.

I support self defense against Palestinian terrorists

One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.

Just depends on which side of the line they stand.

I think it's fair to say that the USA and it's allies have terrorised millions of people around the world in the name of freedom.

Being terrified certainly isn't exclusive.

That's what terrorists say

That's also what the terrorised say.

Good, so long as zero collateral damage occurrs

A combatant is basically a person that engages in combat.

Could be anyone, including a civilian.

From AMNESTY International

In May 2021, Palestinian families in Sheikh Jarrah, a neighborhood in occupied East Jerusalem, began protesting against Israel’s plan to forcibly evict them from their homes to make way for Jewish settlers. Many of the families are refugees, who settled in Sheikh Jarrah after being forcibly displaced around the time of Israel’s establishment as a state in 1948.  Since Israel occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank in 1967, Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah have been continuously targeted by Israeli authorities, who use discriminatory laws to systematically dispossess Palestinians of their land and homes for the benefit of Jewish Israelis. 

Hmmmmm.

Jewish Nazis should be a contradiction.

Given past events.

I don't recall tons of Jews suicide bombing Germans, Jews murdering many German and Foreign civilians.

Israel does not have Death Camps, that I've heard about.

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Perhaps the best solution 'would be the forced exile of the Palestinians,

They keep electing Hamas, keep attacking Israel.

There are many other Islamic countries.

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Still a bad solution, but what solution is good in this case?

After the failed Russian Revolution of 1905, growing numbers of Eastern European and Russian Jews began to immigrate to Palestine, joining the few thousand Jews who had arrived earlier.

Beginning in 1929, Arabs and Jews openly fought in Palestine, and Britain attempted to limit Jewish immigration as a means of appeasing the Arabs. As a result of the Holocaust in Europe, many Jews illegally entered Palestine during World War II. Jewish groups employed terrorism against British forces in Palestine, which they thought had betrayed the Zionist cause. At the end of World War II, in 1945, the United States took up the Zionist cause. Britain, unable to find a practical solution, referred the problem to the United Nations, which in November 1947 voted to partition Palestine.

Let's not forget that Israel was forcibly founded  in 1948.

Just 4 years after the end of the holocaust.

At the same time as apartheid was instigated in South Africa.

Therein somewhere lies a certain level of hypocrisy.

So therefore, was it/is it reasonably fair to suggest that Jews have always been a bit of a nuisance.

Some might say that Jews and Palestinians are exactly the same.

Just corrupted by ridiculous ideology.

Barring the ridiculous ideology part,

Fair point,

Their genetics likely are fairly similar.

Though humans in 'general, eh pretty similar.

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Still, even if humans are similar, does this mean I should not love my family more?

Eh, would I love a clone of me most?

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Eh, here I tilt to absurdism and shrug.

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Point is there 'are differences though,

That people have certain values,

And have separated into different tribes,

Better to go on their own paths, than try to mix together too much.

Well 2023, in so much as 2023 is representative of cutting edge humanity.

And yet still better to have own paths and not mix.

Q. Why?

A. Ridiculous ideology.

Nice chatting.

Time for bed here.