Why the Christian Bible must be interpreted

I've never seen a troll call "troll" to another person

God didn't speak in English, so it's an interpretation, which you quote from to paradoxically prove interpretation invalid.

I see. So all the Bibles ever written in English are invalid, pointless , redundant and have no value whatsoever?

Just as Bro D can be ignored, so can your guidelines.

But the fact that Bro D can stimulate a response is of some significance.

The forum is an open discussion platform and therefore in the interests of freedom of speech and expression we must tolerate unwanted intrusions into our minds.

Like I said, if you think Bro D's comments are absolutely unworthy, then ignore.

Ignorance is Bliss Tim.

You are feeding a troll who will do nothing but insult you.

He is not interested in honest debate, nor in any kind of productive conversation.

All he is interested in is writing a wall of insults in a repeating structure to provoke people, and he will never admit that he is wrong.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9932/posts/411454

There is no valid interpretation of God's direct words, they are exactly as God intended, literal.

Your claim is paradoxical, self-contradictory, and illogical. Don't try to escape this claim and muddle up the water by simply quoting many scriptures without context or a point to make, as you have done till now.

You'll find out soon enough, if you haven't already, that their arguments relentlessly consist of quotes taken out of context, and syntactic literalism.

Tradesecret wrote @Critical-Tim: I am not a fan of the KJV

Tradesecret also wrote:

The Bible is a primary source for me.#28

TheBible is clear from my point of view.#51

 I am comfortable with our English bible translators and their attempts to convey the right balance as they understand it.#39

I hear god's word primarily through scripture whether it's being read or preached Ihave never had a personal communication from God without theScriptures being involved #36

The authors in the bible are pretty clear about what they want to communicate.#62

Every word of God remains flawless#49

Well, I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all.  It is clear. Crystal clear in fact.#55

In my view, the Bible is the best source for understanding the reason for the existence of the Sabbath.  #38

 My view is that the bible is written by fallible men but that it is also breathed out by an infallible God.  Like Jesus - it is both divine and human.  The infallible God used fallible men to write his word to us - using their fallible tools and minds but nevertheless speaking the mind and word of God.  

Hence the bible is both infallible and inerrant.  It is divine and totally perfect.  It is its own measuring tool - making it inerrant. #9

The Bible is a book that reflects life in all of its glory.  It does not hide the messiness of life. It is a very real book and sometimes hard book. I think that adds to its character and integrity. I cannot say I hate discussing any passage - because from my perspective all of it is relevant and useful.#3

Itis more correct  that the Bible is used by God as a tool to bring about change in us.  Its main goal is to proclaim theglory of God, yet, it also has other goals which ought not bedismissed. #2

"I am no fan of the KJV bible" he says. I see. Ok.

Stephen wrote : And the Reverend Tradesecret adds this beauty:

I have never believed in religion. Religion ought to be abolished from my point of view.#52

 THIS! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ from the person that also claims to be paid by Universities to  teach and tutor on religious matters  to hundreds of university students, which must include  BIBLE  (written in ENGLISH) study in one form or another.   Is a Chaplain to his countries Armed Forces and is also a Pastor#20 that preaches to a congregation of over "300 worshipers" every Sunday.

Yes, indeed all  of this contradictory BS  from the contradictory Reverend clown that also tells us:

God moved in me and I was compelled to believe and now I am totally sold on him.  It was not an experience - it was simply that he moved and I responded. And then the Spirit of God worked in my heart.#50

Idid not choose God. He chose me. TheGod of the Bible chose me to be his #31 

I did not choose my religion. God chose me. I did not have the capacity or the ability to reject him. He outsmarted me. And now I am sold on him. #48

But   s/he says "religion should be banned" and that he is "no fan of the KJV bible"! 

you are a glutton for humiliation

God didn't speak in English, so it's an interpretation, which you quote from to paradoxically prove interpretation invalid.

I see. So all the Bibles ever written in English are invalid, pointless , redundant and have no value whatsoever?

if you had ever listened you would have heard it was my argument that interpretations are valid.

your beliefs have been debunked.

 how pathetic can you get.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE "CRITICAL-TIM”

Critical -Tim wrote: Why the Christian Bible must be interpreted. 

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE "CRITICAL-TIM”

All your beliefs have been debunked.

Have they? Which ones and debunked by whom?

Cited debunk: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9932/posts/411441

n8nrgim wrote ;  it's obvious the bible needs interpreted

Critical-Tim wrote; I agree, but it is[....................] Stephen that insist otherwise.

Repugnant indoctrinated cult atmosphere of paradoxical self-refutation.

Are you not a member of the cult?

My citation not only concisely proves that not only are all Bibles interpretations of God's words without a God given dictionary, but also that believing in the interpreted Bible as evidence that all interpretations are invalid is paradoxical. We cannot continue without this fact acknowledged.

interpretations are valid, or the Bible isn't:

In regard to your comment that my remark of you being pathetic is inappropriate.

My impression was that, following my presentation of a definitive proof concerning the logical paradox, your subsequent comment seemed more like an extended inquiry from an uninvolved party member.

It appeared as though you were attempting to divert the conversation, potentially with the intention of causing harm to others' reputations,[.......]lashing out [.....] wanted to unproductively criticize a disengaged member.

I don't like having negative conversations with anyone and try to never offend anyone.

I believe that every perspective adds light to help in gaining comprehension.

I cannot tolerate chaos like that of BrotherD.CultLeader who speaks logical paradoxes and disrespects my productive fellow members.

This chaos creates a disharmony that I and others cannot ignore.

If we can agree on common logic and mutual respect, I will answer any questions. ....logical paradox. 

Its actually a common troll tactic

Are you not a member of the cult?

Not unless you are suggesting atheism is now a cult. I would have thought that in my case I would be deemed a heretic, considering that I believe much  of the bible and that all of it's characters there- in existed. I simply do not believe the bible in the state it has come down  and preached to us over the millennia. I believe that there is another story below the surface.; which is simply my own opinion. Are you denying me an opinion, Critical -Tim?

My citation not only concisely proves that not only are all Bibles interpretations of God's words without a God given dictionary, but also that believing in the interpreted Bible as evidence that all interpretations are invalid is paradoxical. We cannot continue without this fact acknowledged.

interpretations are valid, or the Bible isn't:

Well that is your opinion and may be worth exploring.  It would be better than simply calling me "pathetic" for simply posing question that have arisen from your own comments and accusations directed at me personally, don't you think?

In regard to your comment that my remark of you being pathetic is inappropriate.

Indeed it was. You had no grounds for that insult whatsoever. What was pathetic about asking you what language you believe god spoke in considering that it was you that claimed god didn't speak English? It was you that introduced language - "god's  language" -  into this thread - your own thread. It wasn't me, was it?

My impression was that, following my presentation of a definitive proof concerning the logical paradox, your subsequent comment seemed more like an extended inquiry from an uninvolved party member.

I am going to assume that by stating  "an uninvolved party member" you are referring to the Reverend Tradsecret- please correct me if I am wrong.

 If this is the case then you would be wrong to say he is "uninvolved" in this thread.  In fact he was the second person to respond to you at post #4 and at some length too, in which he clearly states to you directly that  - "I am not a fan of the KJV".  Of course I had shown that his comment not to be truthful and I did so here at post #27.  

It's all very well you getting annoyed with me and insulting me on behalf of others, but I presented evidence that shows  the Reverend Tradesecret to be a contradictory lying clown at the best of times -if not all the time.  Are you telling me that I shouldn't call out lies and contradictions when they arise?

It appeared as though you were attempting to divert the conversation, potentially with the intention of causing harm to others' reputations,[.......]lashing out [.....] wanted to unproductively criticize a disengaged member.

Well you were totally wrong. I knew perfectly well that you had been lied to and sought to correct it.  If any good came from it, it is that you know what you are up against when engaging a compulsive liar and contradictory clown such as the Reverend Tradesecret. #52

I don't like having negative conversations with anyone and try to never offend anyone.

Can you give me an example where it is that I have engaged YOU negatively? 

I believe that every perspective adds light to help in gaining comprehension.

I agree. But you are the one that has weighed into me with nothing but "negativity" simply for posing questions to you that have arisen from your own statements and comment. And lets not forget it is you that has claimed "all my beliefs have been debunked" . without even reading what it is I have had to say in the past with over some 200 threads in the religion forum alone. This doesn't appear to be you  wanting to "gain comprehension", or "perspective"  or adding any  of  "the light" that you seem to be seeking, does it, Critical- Tim?  No, in my case you have simply dismissed out of hand without even reading what my own "perspective is or has been.

I cannot tolerate chaos like that of BrotherD.CultLeader who speaks logical paradoxes and disrespects my productive fellow members.

This chaos creates a disharmony that I and others cannot ignore.

So you are now discussing the Brother, Why? 

The Brother is what he is. I am not his keeper nor am I his "acolyte". And he can handle his own corner from a biblical perspective and does it with excellence in my opinion. And speaking from my perspective I have found him to truthful and honest from my own experience and he will admit when he is wrong and is not embarrassed  to admit that he cannot answer a question when he can't. Ans what is  more impotent to me, he perfectly understand that the bible does hold mind-numbing  " axioms".

If we can agree on common logic and mutual respect, I will answer any questions. ....logical paradox. 

I have no problems with that. But lets not forget, I haven't disrespected you at all in the first place.   

So. To me and from my own studies there are clearly parts of the bible  to be taken literally and others that clearly  not,  in my own opinion, Do you agree?

OK , before we go back to my earlier questions, could you give me your definition "common logic"  please?

 And what is your "other" religion as per your profile?

Everyone has their due time in the spotlight, it was your turn.

You disrespected me when you associated yourself with BrotherD.CultLeader and claimed there was no logical paradox.

Debate members are to treat each other as rational and logical members,

you have acted as if I have no brain by claiming there is no logical paradox.

It's you and BrotherD.CultLeader against the world.

This is where our discussion ends