TDS show panics as Trump out-polls Biden.

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Your definition is used for sophistry. I suppose there is some "meaning" to that
Sorry, I dont know what that means.

Your description of Communism isn't accurate
Yet the meaning remains unrefuted. So until you refute the meaning, as opposed to just complaining about labels, maybe then capitalism will win. Until then, Communism wins.

I didn't have to concede that; I never denied it.
Well, thanks. Now we know that USA is Communist and that Communism won.

It is relevant to me if I maintain that coercing another's labor or stealing one's property or fruits of one's labor--literally--is fundamentally immoral
Oh so you went from "its not a free banana for me" to "its an immoral banana for me".

Yes, you can maintain that its immoral to steal the rich man's money and give it for children's education or for food for starving children.
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@Best.Korea
Sorry, I dont know what that means.
noun: sophistry
  1. the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
      2. subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation.

Yet the meaning remains unrefuted. So until you refute the meaning,
I bear no onus to refute a description you haven't substantiated. I don't entertain argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument from ignorance.)

as opposed to just complaining about labels,
Lexicon is important in communication.

maybe then capitalism will win. Until then, Communism wins.
Win what? A trivially metaphorical contest you just made up to bolster the appeal of Communism, a description for which you have butchered with sophistic statements?

Oh so you went from "its not a free banana for me" to "its an immoral banana for me".
No, it went from "it's not a free banana" to "it's not a free banana, and my suggestion that it's not free is RELEVANT because of my moral stance against the nature of its procurement."

Yes, you can maintain that its immoral to steal the rich man's money
I do maintain that. But it's not only rich men's money which is being stolen.

and give it for children's education or for food for starving children.
More sophistry.


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Win what? A trivially metaphorical contest you just made up to bolster the appeal of Communism, a description for which you have butchered with sophistic statements?
Calm down. You already conceded that USA, strongest country in history of Earth, is Communist.

But it's not only rich men's money which is being stolen.
Eh, tomato, tomahto.

No, it went from "it's not a free banana" to "it's not a free banana, and my suggestion that it's not free is RELEVANT because of my moral stance against the nature of its procurement."
Not sure what kind of moral stance is that, but from my moral stance, being rich is theft and Communism helps children with food and education, so Communism wins there too.
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You already conceded that USA, strongest country in history of Earth, is Communist.
And therefore it's being Communist is the cause of your impression of "Strength"?

Eh, tomato, tomahto.
Not really. Your argument played on a prejudice against the validity of a rich man's wealth. Why are you attempting to circumvent?

Not sure what kind of moral stance is that, but from my moral stance,
A moral stance which condemns coercion.

being rich is theft
You haven't been able to substantiate this thus far.

and Communism helps children with food and education,
More sophistry.

so Communism wins there too.
Another trivially metaphorical made-up contest.

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Sorry, but I only support winners. Capitalism is a loser, you admitted it yourself. Not sure what more needs to be said.
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If you consider a hegemonic government's practice of theft, coercion, and the exploitation of labor and resources through duress, as "winning," then congratulations. I'll leave you to it.
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"so that all citizens and all children have same chance " Same chance at what?  If govt provides everything, what is a person supposed to achieve? Everyone gets the same shit no matter what they do. Well except the tyrannical aholes that decide what everyone gets, they live in opulence.
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There, there. Capitalism will win too one day... maybe...

How many capitalist countries in the world?

0?

Well, on the bright side, their number can only increase from this point, so you have the advantage there.
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If govt provides everything
Eh not everything. But every child has right to education even if the rich man must pay for it.

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Under communism, what doesn't the govt provide? All commodities and services without exception are provided and controlled by govt. You cant just go out and do your own thing and broker a deal  to enrich yourself. Whoopty doo,  you have an education, what use is it? You will do what you are told to do.  
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In Sweden, they give money to the parents and they can pick a school.

In Sweden, the education system is known for its principles of school choice and parental involvement. The system is often referred to as "school vouchers" or "school choice vouchers." Here's how it works:
  1. School Vouchers: The Swedish government allocates funds to municipalities, which are responsible for providing education. Parents receive school vouchers equivalent to the cost of educating a child in a municipal school. These vouchers can be used to enroll their child in any school, including publicly funded independent schools (often referred to as "free schools") or municipal schools.
  2. Freedom of Choice: Parents have the freedom to choose the school they believe is best for their child. They can select from a wide range of schools, including municipal schools, free schools, religious schools, and other independent schools.
  3. Equal Funding: The funding follows the student, meaning that the school receives funding based on the number of students it enrolls. This creates competition among schools to attract students and maintain high educational standards.
  4. Independent Schools: Independent schools, also known as free schools, are publicly funded but privately operated. They must meet certain educational standards and are subject to government regulations. These schools often have a specific educational philosophy or focus area, such as Montessori, Waldorf, or religious education.
  5. Parental Involvement: The system places a strong emphasis on parental involvement in their child's education. Parents are free to choose the school that aligns with their values, preferences, and educational priorities.

The Swedish education system, including its approach to school choice, has served as a model for education reform in other countries, and it continues to be a topic of discussion in educational policy circles around the world and is not something America wishes to do.

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Under communism, what doesn't the govt provide?
Smartphones. You have to pay for your smartphone by yourself. No money? No smartphone!
Also, rich people dont get free food. If you have billions, I assume you can buy your own food.

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In economic terms, there is no such thing as a "free lunch." Resources are scarce, and they have alternative uses. When the government provides something, it's essentially choosing to allocate resources to that specific purpose rather than another.
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Still, you got banana for free and you didnt have to pay for it because government gave you the banana for free. Someone else paid for your banana. Same way, rich boys need to pay for education, healthcare and housing of the poor people.
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Even thieves have to do a cost/benefit analysis.
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Yes.

Cost: rich boy gets a little less rich (not a cost for poor).

Benefit: poor people have better education and healthcare, reducing crime, improving average intelligence, improving inventions and other important things.
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Benefit: poor people have better education and healthcare, reducing crime, improving average intelligence, improving inventions and other important things.
Actually, the Moynahan report suggests giving money to poor mothers increases crime and lowers test scores as the father is replaced by a welfare check. This is why all blue cities are falling apart from the inside.

This is the ultimate example of nothing is free. We only have trade offs.
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Actually, the Moynahan report suggests giving money to poor mothers increases crime and lowers test scores 
Yeah, how about we look at examples of Fully and Totally Communist countries and see if crime is high there.

Communist Canada - very low crime

Communist Sweden - very low crime

Communist Finland - very low crime

Communist Japan - very low crime

Now lets look at examples of capitalist countries. Oh wait, there are no any. Because capitalism doesnt work.
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You cited extremely culturally Homogeneous  countries as examples. America has a National Identity Crises. It's the main campaign issue Vivek is running on. Currentlly, America is extremely culturally Balkanized, creating crime enclaves, and the left makes sure not to let a good tragedy go to waste.

"There are no perfect solutions, only trade-offs"
-Dr. Sowell
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More guns, am I right?
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USA needs to go full Communism and remove guns. Then USA will have less crime. 
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Finland and the Swiss have lots of guns. America has enough guns, but not enough cultural hegemony.
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Communism brings cultural hegemony too. USA needs to go full Communism. Half-Communism isnt good enough. We see that countries with full Communism are best.
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You forgot that guns kill people in USA.
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Another reason why capitalism can never work is because

People dont want to be free. They want to be happy.
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You forgot that guns kill people in USA.

Guns don't kill nearly as many people in culturally homogeneous countries.
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Do you think Trump is responsible for every global environmental disaster?
No, he's responsible for setting us back in our efforts to gain control of an international slow boiling crisis. I have not seen any serious person on the left argue what you took away from this episode of the View.

I liked the headline and thought this might be an interesting thread, must say I'm feeling a little disappointed there.
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gain control of an international slow boiling crisis

That doesn't seem relevant to the op, which was the blaming of Trump for environmental disasters in America.

Though you did say no to my question. Why do you think Trump is not responsible? Did the View go a little too far this time?
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How are there rich people under communism. That doesn't sound fair. You know like rich people under capitalism. What's the difference between a rich communist and a rich capitalist?