Trump said the word "bleach" while attacking a MAGA strawman
Bleach is a disinfectant by definition , UV light is not.
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@Best.Korea
Yes, ultraviolet (UV) light can be used as a disinfectant. UV light has germicidal properties that can effectively kill or inactivate various microorganisms such as bacteria, viruses, and molds. This is primarily because UV light, especially in the UVC range (short wavelength, around 254 nanometers), damages the genetic material (DNA or RNA) of these microorganisms, preventing them from reproducing and causing infections.
UV light disinfection is commonly used in various settings, including healthcare facilities, laboratories, water treatment plants, and even in consumer products like UV light sanitizing wands and boxes. However, it's important to note that the effectiveness of UV light as a disinfectant depends on factors like the intensity and duration of exposure, the type of microorganisms being targeted, and the cleanliness of the surfaces being treated.
Proper safety precautions are necessary when using UV light for disinfection, as direct exposure to UV light can be harmful to human skin and eyes.UV light can also be less effective when trying to disinfect surfaces with shadows or areas that are not directly exposed to the light.
UV light disinfection is commonly used in various settings, including healthcare facilities, laboratories, water treatment plants, and even in consumer products like UV light sanitizing wands and boxes. However, it's important to note that the effectiveness of UV light as a disinfectant depends on factors like the intensity and duration of exposure, the type of microorganisms being targeted, and the cleanliness of the surfaces being treated.
Proper safety precautions are necessary when using UV light for disinfection, as direct exposure to UV light can be harmful to human skin and eyes.UV light can also be less effective when trying to disinfect surfaces with shadows or areas that are not directly exposed to the light.
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@Greyparrot
Please be careful when you are putting a UV wand down your throat.
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@Best.Korea
A disinfectant, exemplified by UVA light as an agent, refers to a chemical substance or physical element employed to eliminate or deactivate harmful microorganisms like bacteria, viruses, fungi, and protozoa. UVA light, in this context, serves as a disinfectant by disrupting the structure or function of these microorganisms, thus preventing them from causing infections. Disinfectants are typically applied to surfaces, objects, or the air, aiming to diminish the risk of infections by reducing the presence of these pathogenic microorganisms in the environment. This process is essential in numerous industries such as healthcare, food production, water treatment, and sanitation. The effectiveness of disinfection, using UVA light or other agents, hinges on factors like the specific microorganisms being targeted, the concentration of the disinfectant, the duration of exposure, and the prevailing conditions during application.
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@Best.Korea
Are you now going to misunderstand all words to justify...
Still waiting on the words you would insert in parenthesis to indicate exactly what the pronouns referred to.
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@Greyparrot
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning"
I didnt realize UV light can be given by injection. Also, UV light used on humans is also very bad. It can cause cancer and many side effects to all. Your interpretation failed.
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@Best.Korea
I didnt realize UV light can be given by injection.
Well now you know.
NIH has tons of articles on it. Consider yourself un-misinformed.
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@Greyparrot
Change all definitions in dictionary, yes. That will save the MAGA world.
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@Best.Korea
Lol, or just use one aspect of a definition to create the word "Bleach"
UVA light is a disinfecting AGENT.
I hope you guys will recover brain when Trump is gone.
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@Greyparrot
No text from source? Well, this case's closed. Also, you ignored how UV light is harmful.
Maybe I need to explain why "injecting UV light" into lungs is not very smart idea, do I?
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@Greyparrot
Clearly Trump with his vast medical knowledge read this study and was referring to this. We must interpret it THIS WAY!!!!!
Disloyalty to the fuhrer will not be tolerated!!!!!!
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@Best.Korea
I'll leave the good or bad ideas to the NIH. They are the ones looking to see if it can be done safely. The preliminary study claimed it worked in 4 out of 5 terminally ill Covid patients.
Clearly Trump with his vast medical knowledge read this study and was referring to this
I have no idea what goes on in the mind of Trump, but in the full context of his comments, it's more likely he was talking about UVA than Bleach. Or at least making an attempt in layman's terms.
There's a ton of things to hate Trump about. Creating insignificant narratives such as "bleachgate" for the sole purpose of getting a ratings boost in a single week of corporate media ratings is totally unnecessary to expose Trump as bad for the country.
Disloyalty to the fuhrer will not be tolerated!!!!!!
Right lol, I guess this is where the term "Grammar Nazi" came from because Hitler is best remembered for using strange words and unclear antecedents that may have referred to "bleach"????
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@Greyparrot
Alrighty then, let's go through this again. Remind me to save this to my files I've done this like three times already (different forums).
During this briefing a presenter was talking about factors like radiation, humidity, temperature, and finally chemical disinfectants.
It's a very coherent presentation which gives the reasonably intelligent and scientifically literate listener an excellent basis to gauge the approximate time various locations and circumstances would remain infectious after someone had spewed their filthy covid particles in that area.
For example, based on the findings presented people who were sent out to wipe down shopping carts which had been sitting in 30C full sunlight for hours were truly wasting their time. Similarly those who tried to disinfect the inside of car which had a greenhouse effect rocking 40C for half an hour were also wasting their time.
He was not talking about a treatment for blood (that was a real theory as you said). He talked about UV damaging viral particles on surfaces and suspended in air. Specifically sunlight was tested.
Here is him bringing up the slide about chemical disinfectants.
Now he continues talking about the other factors for a bit, but you can clearly see the slide is about bleach and isopropyl. Then he moves into "we're also testing disinfectants, readily available... we've test bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol"
This is the context Trump's comments were in. Now if he heard before this briefing about the UV blood idea that would explain why he's conflating it, but the presenter was not talking about any treatments what so ever. He was only talking about destroying viral particles on surfaces and suspended in air.
You should keep listening, a reporter asks if Trump was suggesting what they would go on to claim he was suggesting and the presenter said "No that's not what I'm talking about" (paraphrasing).
Trump then 'clarifies' that "It wouldn't be through injection. We're talking about almost a cleaning.. sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't work; but it certainly has a big effect, if it's on a stationary object". He then swipes his hands like he's wiping something down.
Therefore if Trump did ever mean "inject bleach" he caught the mistake 5 minutes later.
Here is where he asked them to follow up on "light and heat" (not bleach): https://youtu.be/RLW_NKYUXEs?t=3051
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Thanks, that clears things up a lot.
Again, there are a ton of things Trump has done to hurt the country. This is most certainly not one of them. I am much more outraged at the modern high tech Orwellian propaganda so pervasive that it creates large swaths of people who can only remember a false past than anything Trump did; as the former has much more lasting detrimental effects for America than any 4 year politician.
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@Greyparrot
Lol, or just use one aspect of a definition to create the word "Bleach"
Well, when Trump said:
"You dont have to wear masks. I wont."
Can you change the meaning of this too, or is MAGA world in trouble again? Imagine having a president who thinks that you dont need to wear the only thing that can protect you at the time.
Well, its true that Trump might not know that the disinfectant talks about liquid specifically, so yes he may have talked about UV lights and unaware of the difference between two words.
Which then really becomes confusing, because he said "it knocks it out in minute". UV light usually takes 20 minutes to an hour to destroy covid. So he lied again. Or he talked about bleach.
Trump is a liar who cant get his fabricated facts straight. Also, you again ignored how UV light is harmful for humans. Maybe there need to be some facts presented here to educate you.
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@Greyparrot
Trump described Dominion Voting Systems as “horrendous,” “Radical Left,” “poorly rated,” “very suspect,” and “a disaster.
The only way the USA survives is for Trump to be imprisoned.
Are you sending Fox money to pay the $787 million for it's 2020 election lies?
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@FLRW
Trump described Dominion Voting Systems as “horrendous,” “Radical Left,” “poorly rated,” “very suspect,” and “a disaster.
I wonder if he left a one star rating on Google as well. The absolute worst.
The only way the USA survives is for Trump to be imprisoned.
What if USA continues to be screwed after Trump is in jail? It's not like everything was perfect before and after Trump....
It's my firm belief that just as Trump can't fix the country, eliminating Trump also won't fix it.
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@Greyparrot
We should have a requirement that to have to have a SAT score of at least 1200 to be able to vote.
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@FLRW
Vivek has that position. OMG do you like Vivek?
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@Best.Korea
Can you change the meaning of this too, or is MAGA world in trouble again? Imagine having a president who thinks that you dont need to wear the only thing that can protect you at the time.
Masks don't protect you, the only theory that ever held any water was that they protected other people because droplets hit the fabric and were caught.
If there are droplets in the air already then they are on your clothes, your skin, your eyes, etc... etc... infection from that point is inevitable.
If a masked guy walks by an unmasked guy with covid the masked guy still gets infected.
If an unmasked guy walks past a masked guy with covid (under ideal conditions where the mask is snug and dry) he might not get covid.
Do you understand? Putting on masks is something you do for others when you're infectious.
That's the inverse of a partially effective vaccine (like they all were). Those vaccines may have kept you out of the hospital, but they didn't stop you from spreading covid.
Guess what really stops you from spreading covid? Not coming near people when you have covid. If anyone was taking it as seriously as they pretended to (and knew what they were doing) there would be only one mandate: quarantine.
Then it would be 2 weeks top STOP the spread.
How many people would have chosen 1 month of full quarantine over that torturous sprawling mess of multiple years of useless half measures and government overreach.
Of course if they had stopped covid with a quarantine, then they wouldn't need emergency covid ballot mailers... can't have that.
Well, its true that Trump might not know that the disinfectant talks about liquid specifically
It doesn't, in the same presentation the guy referred to radiation as a disinfectant.
Also, you again ignored how UV light is harmful for humans.
That would be moving the goal posts from you. The claim isn't that Trump came up with the cure for all viruses in that briefing, it's that he didn't tell people to inject bleach.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The best analogy is that underwear doesn't protect others from farts. Even if you wear it around your nose, it won't protect you.
“UVC is really nasty stuff – you shouldn't be exposed to it,” says Arnold. “It can take hours to get sunburn from UVB, but with UVC it takes seconds. If your eyes are exposed… you know that gritty feeling you get if you look at the sun? It’s like that times 10, just after a few seconds.”
To use UVC safely, you need specialist equipment and training. The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued a stern warning against people using UV light to sterilise their hands or any other part of their skin.
During the White House briefing on Thursday, the US president suggested that UV light could be brought inside the body to kill the coronavirus. It's not clear which type he meant, but given what we know about the damage UVA, UVB and UVC can do to genetic material and living tissues, this would be a bad idea – let alone impractical, since Covid-19 mostly infects the lungs.
Recently, scientists have discovered a promising new type of UVC which is less dangerous to handle, and still lethal to viruses and bacteria. Far-UVC has a shorter wavelength than regular UVC, and so far, experiments with human skin cells in the lab have shown that it doesn’t damage their DNA (more research is needed to be sure).
On the other hand, bacteria and viruses don’t come off as well, because they are small enough for the light to reach. One study found that it could prevent mouse wounds from becoming infected with the superbug MRSA, while another found that it could kill flu viruses suspended in the air.
However, the vast majority of the UVC lamps on the market don’t use far-UVC yet – and again, it hasn’t been tested in actual humans, just on our cells in petri dishes and other animals. So this type of radiation probably won’t help you during the current pandemic either.
To use UVC safely, you need specialist equipment and training. The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued a stern warning against people using UV light to sterilise their hands or any other part of their skin.
During the White House briefing on Thursday, the US president suggested that UV light could be brought inside the body to kill the coronavirus. It's not clear which type he meant, but given what we know about the damage UVA, UVB and UVC can do to genetic material and living tissues, this would be a bad idea – let alone impractical, since Covid-19 mostly infects the lungs.
Recently, scientists have discovered a promising new type of UVC which is less dangerous to handle, and still lethal to viruses and bacteria. Far-UVC has a shorter wavelength than regular UVC, and so far, experiments with human skin cells in the lab have shown that it doesn’t damage their DNA (more research is needed to be sure).
On the other hand, bacteria and viruses don’t come off as well, because they are small enough for the light to reach. One study found that it could prevent mouse wounds from becoming infected with the superbug MRSA, while another found that it could kill flu viruses suspended in the air.
However, the vast majority of the UVC lamps on the market don’t use far-UVC yet – and again, it hasn’t been tested in actual humans, just on our cells in petri dishes and other animals. So this type of radiation probably won’t help you during the current pandemic either.
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@Best.Korea
I noticed you stopped using the word "bleach"
I call that a win.
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@Greyparrot
Yes, there are stupid people stirring up fear on us all over again with this new covid variant. Covid is not a big deal to be honest, it's like a flu.
I hope the fucking governments don't place us on lockdown again, that would be terrible for today's recessed economy.
The Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong in this thread.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Masks don't protect you
I already posted the study that shows contrary.
It doesn't, in the same presentation the guy referred to radiation as a disinfectant
Well, maybe the guy really needs a dictionary. Also, which UV light knocks out Covid in 1 minute? The only one that does so is the one that would burn humans alive. In that case, you might as well set yourself on fire as a mean to treat Covid.
That would be moving the goal posts from you. The claim isn't that Trump came up with the cure for all viruses in that briefing, it's that he didn't tell people to inject bleach.
No. The goalpost is Trump's stupidity regarding Covid. You might live in some fantasy world where you decide other people's goalposts. How naughty. Also, are 330,000 dead Americans also a hoax? Trump said they are.
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@IlDiavolo
I hope the fucking governments don't place us on lockdown again, that would be terrible for today's recessed economy.
But it would be a great thing for door to door ballot harvesting.
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@Best.Korea
You were more coherent arguing for pedophilia, are you trying to see how well you can simulate TDS?That would be moving the goal posts from you. The claim isn't that Trump came up with the cure for all viruses in that briefing, it's that he didn't tell people to inject bleach.No. The goalpost is Trump's stupidity regarding Covid. You might live in some fantasy world where you decide other people's goalposts. How naughty. Also, are 330,000 dead Americans also a hoax? Trump said they are.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I meant to say, if masks can't protect you from farts, they most certainly can't protect you from Covid. The particles are just too small.