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@YouFound_Lxam
You are just repeating a fallacy over and over.
Time has had no end.....why must it have a start?
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@YouFound_Lxam
You seem to think if you say it then it must be true
I'll try that
SOMETHING CAN ALWAYS HAVE EXISTED
Hey... that works. Lol
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@Intelligence_06
Well, we agree on the fact that neither us nor the entire scientific community really "know" what big bang actually is.
I know what it is. It is the beginning of the universe. And explosion that God spoke into existence.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I know what it is. It is the beginning of the universe. And explosion that God spoke into existence.
Okay, where did the god come from?
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@Vegasgiants
Prove itWhy can't something have always existed?
I literally just told you.
Do you actually read my arguments?
The reason why you can't have something that has always existed, is because it would be a paradox to say so.
If you have something that has always existed forever and ever, that would make that thing a living paradox, because that thing wouldn't not have a beginning.
And we know that everything must have a beginning to exist.
So, something that never had a beginning, never existed.
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@YouFound_Lxam
We used to think that earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, droughts, etc. are caused by the God. Now we know natural disasters are just matters moving around in extreme ways.
The point is, you calling this a god-involving miracle is not distinguishable from any other label of ignorance. We can't "prove" what the God is like, it is quite the opposite: what God is like depends on what we have now, and God just fills in the rest that we can't explain. We can't just assume there is a God without proof, and I do not think that is sufficient proof of God and God's miracles.
Do you think that is enough proof?
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@ludofl3x
Okay, where did the god come from?
God is infinite. He is not bound by the laws of science that he created. Therefore, it is possible for him to be infinite.
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@YouFound_Lxam
No it would not. It has simply always existed. There is no paradox
Why MUST something have a beginning? Several theories of a infinite universe exist such as string theory
You simply repeat a fallacy over and over
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@YouFound_Lxam
So is the universe. Point to me when nothing existed
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@YouFound_Lxam
God is infinite. He is not bound by the laws of science that he created. Therefore, it is possible for him to be infinite.
Ok, so this is what's known special pleading, of course. Nothing can be infinite, except for this one thing I require to be infinite in order for my position to make sense.
Which god are you talking about and why that one?
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@Vegasgiants
No it would not. It has simply always existed. There is no paradoxWhy MUST something have a beginning? Several theories of a infinite universe exist such as string theoryYou simply repeat a fallacy over and over
You literally just denied everything I said with no arguement as to why.
Ignorance is on you.
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@YouFound_Lxam
You make a claim with no evidence
The claim is everything must have a beginning
Prove it
It's a fallacy you repeat over and over
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@YouFound_Lxam
You literally just denied everything I said with no arguement as to why.Ignorance is on you.
It’s okay to admit what you don’t know. Just like you don’t know if there’s a dragon in my garage.
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@YouFound_Lxam
It couldn't have always existed, because again, something cannot come from nothing, so at some point, that something had to of come from something.
IF something cannot come from nothing THEN something must have always existed
Everything that currently makes up the universe in an infinitely hot dense point is something. Maybe that is what existed before (if before is even the right word). I have no reason to surmise anything else did since I have no real evidence for anything else.
Do you have any specific reason to believe that the (whatever would eventually evolve into the universe) did not simply always exist? Do you have any evidence to suggest anything else existed in (whatever passed for time before the big bang)?
Since thus effects the very first premise of your argument I really think we should finish clearing this specific point up before moving on.
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@secularmerlin
IF something cannot come from nothing THEN something must have always existed
I see your point, and it's a good one at that.
Don't get me wrong, from what I have heard you are an intellectual thinker, and I am very intrigued in this conversation.
Anyways, back to my point.
Your right. Something cannot come from nothing, therefore something had to of always existed. I agree with this premise.
When it comes to physical things, using basic logic, there had to be a time where nothing existed, because something cannot come from nothing, therefore there had to be a time where physically nothing existed.
What has always existed, is God. You are right. Something had to always exist. And that thing is God.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Why? Why can't a physical thing have always existed in some form?
There is no science behind your argument
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@secularmerlin
There is no reason to believe matter has not always existed as there is no evidence for the creation of matter
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@YouFound_Lxam
there had to be a time where physically nothing existed.
How do you know this? I have no reason specifically to take your word for it.
Also while I am prepared to accept that something cannot spontaneously begin to exist for the purpose of this conversation I am not necessarily convinced in my personal philosophy That it would be a total impossibility. From the available evidence I have equal reason to suspect that something at some time some thing spontaneously began to exist (possibly at the same moment in which time began to exist) as to believe in any instigating force. None at all.
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@YouFound_Lxam
This is so easy to turn on you in 3... 2...
Which miracle made God and how was that miracle conjured, instigated and implemented?
Thank you. You are dumbfounded and cannot reply, it's okay. Concede with dignity.
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@Vegasgiants
Any speculation about what happened before the big bang is just that including the speculation that there even was a before.
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@YouFound_Lxam
It couldn't have always existed, because again, something cannot come from nothing, so at some point, that something had to of come from something.
So where did god come from?
The Big Bang theory is just a hypothesis as well as the theory of evolution.
God utilized the creation of the Earth through pre-existing matter. Jesus was technically the one who created the Earth, but it was under God's command and supervision.
Can god create "something" from "nothing." ?
If god "built" the entire universe " here", what do reckon he built over there.?
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@IlDiavolo
Well actually nothing is proven in science
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@secularmerlin
How do you know this? I have no reason specifically to take your word for it.
Ok:
In order for something to exist, it first must be created right?
So, before it was created, it did not exist. It wasn't created yet.
That means in order for the matter, and space that caused the Big Bang to exist, it had to be created.
That also means that before it was created, there was nothing there, meaning there was absolutely nothing. Nothing existed.
Also while I am prepared to accept that something cannot spontaneously begin to exist for the purpose of this conversation I am not necessarily convinced in my personal philosophy That it would be a total impossibility. From the available evidence I have equal reason to suspect that something at some time some thing spontaneously began to exist (possibly at the same moment in which time began to exist) as to believe in any instigating force. None at all.
So, you believe that something began to exist from nothing?
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@RationalMadman
Which miracle made God and how was that miracle conjured, instigated and implemented?
I have answered this question in this forum over a thousand times.
Read through some of the people who have asked that question.
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@YouFound_Lxam
In order for something to exist, it first must be created right?
Can you demonstrate that this is necessarily true? It would in fact appear as though most things in the universe were not created at all but simply came about through natural processes and even those things which are "created" by humans are upon second reflection actually just a reconfiguration of already existing things.
Also while I am prepared to accept that something cannot spontaneously begin to exist for the purpose of this conversation I am not necessarily convinced in my personal philosophy That it would be a total impossibility. From the available evidence I have equal reason to suspect that something at some time some thing spontaneously began to exist (possibly at the same moment in which time began to exist) as to believe in any instigating force. None at all.
So, you believe that something began to exist from nothing?
If you will read what I wrote again carefully you will see that I very clearly stated that I have no reason to believe that.
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@secularmerlin
Can you demonstrate that this is necessarily true? It would in fact appear as though most things in the universe were not created at all but simply came about through natural processes and even those things which are "created" by humans are upon second reflection actually just a reconfiguration of already existing things.
Most thing in the universe had a cause that created them.
Thats what I mean when I say creation.
Metals didn't just pop into existence. The building blocks of life, plus some explosions were the cause.
If you will read what I wrote again carefully you will see that I very clearly stated that I have no reason to believe that.
So, you just don't believe either. You just don't know.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Try answering the exact question I asked, you will realise the structure of it is different and entraps you even more by backfiring the logic of your very original post.
Answer what I asked, directly:
Which miracle made God and how was that miracle conjured, instigated and implemented?