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@ADreamOfLiberty
You know it gives me a powerful smirk
No, no. It’s ok here. You can say what you are thinking. Nobody will know who you are. Go on, tell the truth.
DeeSantis tries to whitewash slavery in school textbooks. What a sweetheart
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[IwantRooseveltagain] Nobody will know who you are.
I know, I made sure of it.
Go on, tell the truth.
I am an admitted and unashamed zoosexual who believes taxation is theft, denies that land can be owned, and who participated in the Jan 6 protests.
Are you trying to imply that I would refrain from saying something I believed? Really?
The blind application of a rote rhetorical strategy is hilarious.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Are you trying to imply that I would refrain from saying something I believed? Really?
It’s ok. Trump made it acceptable to be racist again. You don’t really think blacks could be equal to whites so just say it. It’s ok now.
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@TWS1405_2
I wonder why Republicans keep defending what Democrats supported 200 years ago. Do you know why? Is this like 5D chess?
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@Reece101
I really haven't seen any Republicans race baiting.
It substantiates the assertion that being slaves, they learned things that helped them beyond their enslavement whence they became freedmen. Like, DUH!Maybe they could live off disability like yourself
Ad hominem attack. Violation of the terms outlined the CoC = to you and your ad home against Grey Parrot. Reporting this asinine red herring false equivalency ad hominem fallacy.
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@Reece101
I wonder why Republicans keep defending what Democrats supported 200 years ago. Do you know why? Is this like 5D chess?
And yet they have not. No facts, no arguments. Your personal subjective ignorant opinions hold no water.
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@TWS1405_2
DeSantis is fine with human trafficking.
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@Reece101
Are you implying DeSantis is supplying California with Slave labor? You might be right.
Parrot, If you’re going to reply, unblock me.
It’s a far cry from them being invaders.
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@TWS1405_2
I reported it first :)Ad hominem attack. Violation of the terms outlined the CoC = to you and your ad home against Grey Parrot. Reporting this asinine red herring false equivalency ad hominem fallacy.
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@Reece101
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DeSantis is fine with human trafficking.
Sources?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Thank you.
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@Greyparrot
@cristo71
@ADreamOfLiberty
@TWS1405_2
A group of African Americans were on the Florida Department of Education that put this curriculum together.One of the professors who was on that board made a response to Kamala Harris’ fallacious rant. (Scroll to 2:10 to listen to the professor’’s response correcting the nonsense twisting the reality of what the education sets out to establish)
Let’s break all of this down.
First, let’s take another look at the material in question. At the bottom of page 6:
“Benchmark clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instructions include how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit”
The document then goes on to list other instructions with regards to teaching slavery and by page 16 changes the subject entirely to American history. This isn’t a document spelling out the specific material to be taught, all of its instructions are just as vague as that above.
So for starters, we don’t need some black professor to explain to us what it says or what the point is, it’s right there in plain English.
Regarding the left’s response to this I might agree that it’s overblown, but not by all that much. The issue here isn’t about the 17 words included in this instruction. It’s the full context of what’s happening here. If this were the New York State board this would generate confusion more than outrage, but Florida under Ron Desantis has made it their mission to pass laws that just so happen to negatively impact black people. In fact it appears to be the defining characteristic of his political career.
Ron’s entire campaign platform has been to repeat woke every 5 seconds and make clear how he will end wokeness. So what is wokeness? According to his legal team it means “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them".
So now a state lead by a man who has made it his mission to fight back against addressing systemic injustices in America just added to their school curriculum that slaves “in some instances” benefited from slavery.
This would be like a school board full of mostly Muslims that have in the past sided with Al Queda on some issues, added to a curriculum about 9/11 that because of the attacks, NYC was able to modernize and revitalize its downtown area.
If that happened you would have no issue seeing the problem here.
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@Greyparrot
@Double_R
@cristo71
@ADreamOfLiberty
This isn’t a document spelling out the specific material to be taught, all of its instructions are just as vague as that above.
The entirety of the cited document isn’t vague at all. As you said, it’s all in plain English and eloquently written with examples given for each instruction.
Your analogy of the Muslim school board is a false equivalency fallacy.
The historical fact remains that over the course of slavery in N. America, slaves did (and their offspring), in some instances, benefit from slavery that aided them in slavery and whence they became freemen (or born post slavery). It’s precisely why we got outstanding black people like Booker T Washington, Madam CJ Walker, WEB Du Bois, Frederick Douglas, Harriet Tubman, Soujornor Truth, so on and so forth.
The left’s (and your) denialism of historical truth is what is truly racist here.
Also, the governor does NOT pass laws. He or she only agrees (signs) or disagrees (vetos) what the Legislature does in drafting and passing state law(s).
You’re so way off on this subject, DR. Way off.
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@TWS1405_2
So what should the history books be teaching? Union troops, after burning Atlanta to the ground, went shack to shack among black families and instructed every one of them how to farm a field? Because every single slave without exception learned zero productive skills as a slave? Maybe reinforce the current racism that states if you have Black skin you are unable to learn trade skills?
Is this the acceptable counternarrative?
Dr. Allen spoke with Jesse Waters very eloquently about what this education is intended to teach, historical truth, and NOT the agenda the left has to keep blacks in denialism about that truth.
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@Double_R
The document then goes on to list other instructions with regards to teaching slavery and by page 16 changes the subject entirely to American history
.... What a non-sequiter.
Slavery in the USA is american history, and the document isn't "this is how you teach slavery", in fact the section in question was "Analyze events that involved or affected Africans from the founding of the nation through Reconstruction."
This isn’t a document spelling out the specific material to be taught, all of its instructions are just as vague as that above.
Well there are proper nouns so that's specific, but let's pretend there weren't. So what?
The claim is "DeSantis is whitewashing slavery"
The issue here isn’t about the 17 words included in this instruction. It’s the full context of what’s happening here. If this were the New York State board this would generate confusion more than outrage, but Florida under Ron Desantis has made it their mission to pass laws that just so happen to negatively impact black people. In fact it appears to be the defining characteristic of his political career.
Uh huh, except whenever the left-tribe tries to go into specifics on anything else they throw up their hands and say "well it's not this that proves it but the whole context of: we know he's a racist already"
Like bible thumpers quoting other parts of the bible to justify how one part is prophetic when it's obviously super generic-bronze-age-speculation.
Democrats = can associate with KKK, tell people they aren't black if they don't fall in line, but if they run for the democrat party they aren't racist
Anti-deepstaters = can be in public life for decades and never be accused of racism, but if they run against the military industrial complex they're racist
Coming up RFK and Vivek Ramaswamy will no doubt soon to be discovered racists, the common factor isn't the people or the message, it's the propaganda machine you trust.
In fact let me google, maybe they've already started. RFK yes, they're holding off on Ramaswamy but if he gets any more popular they'll do it. I need a meme of Dr. Malcom from Jurassic Park saying "race baiting finds a way".
Ron’s entire campaign platform has been to repeat woke every 5 seconds and make clear how he will end wokeness. So what is wokeness? According to his legal team it means “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them".So now a state lead by a man who has made it his mission to fight back against addressing systemic injustices in America just added to their school curriculum that slaves “in some instances” benefited from slavery.
You beg the question.
The belief != the reality
X = the belief there is a devil in hell that's trying to destroy men's souls
~X = denial of the belief that there is a devil in hell that's trying to destroy men's souls
Equivocation:
Double R doesn't believe in the devil and opposes people trying to spread awareness of the devil to children. So he has made it his mission to destroy men's souls as a servant of the devil.
Even if there was a devil, if you didn't believe there was a devil you couldn't have been a devil worshiper. Even if there is systematic racism (or whatever) if Ron DeSantis doesn't believe there is, he's not a racist.
At best he's ignorant and that's assuming the truth value of 'wokeness'.
PS that definition is insufficient. I believe there are systematic injustices in American society that need to be addressed, the elephant being the government stealing nearly half of everyone's labor and property. Am I woke?
Your analogy of the Muslim school board is a false equivalency fallacy.
Greatest hits! Don’t forget straw man fallacy and banal
Also, the governor does NOT pass laws. He or she only agrees (signs) or disagrees (vetos) what the Legislature does in drafting and passing state law(s).
The governor doesn’t pass laws, he signs laws into effect. He doesn’t approve laws, he simply agrees (passes) or doesn’t agree (doesn’t pass) laws sent to him. Lol
Your analogy of the Muslim school board is a false equivalency fallacy.Greatest hits! Don’t forget straw man fallacy and banalAlso, the governor does NOT pass laws. He or she only agrees (signs) or disagrees (vetos) what the Legislature does in drafting and passing state law(s).The governor doesn’t pass laws, he signs laws into effect. He doesn’t approve laws, he simply agrees (passes) or doesn’t agree (doesn’t pass) laws sent to him. Lol
This contributes absolutely ZERO to this discussion.
STOP derailing threads with your trolling, IWRA.
Reported.
This contributes absolutely ZERO to this discussion.STOP derailing threads with your trolling, IWRA.
Your idiotic posts contribute nothing to any discussion found here.
When you say stupid things I feel compelled to point out how stupid they are.
This contributes absolutely ZERO to this discussion.STOP derailing threads with your trolling, IWRA.Your idiotic posts contribute nothing to any discussion found here.When you say stupid things I feel compelled to point out how stupid they are.
reported.
BTW, I am not the only reporting your TROLLING.
Slavery is bad, and it's important to teach everyone about it. It happened a long time ago, but we still talk about it because we don't want it to happen again.
Slavery is when one person owns another person. They make them do work and don't pay them. It's like treating someone like a thing instead of a person. It's not fair or kind.
Teaching that slavery is bad helps us understand that everyone deserves to be treated with respect. It doesn't matter what color your skin is or where you come from. We are all human beings, and we should all be treated equally.
When we learn about slavery, we can also learn about the people who fought against it. They wanted to make things better for everyone. They were brave and strong, and they showed us that we can make a difference too.We also learn about the mistakes that people made in the past.
Slavery was a big mistake, and it hurt a lot of people. But we can learn from those mistakes and do better in the future.By teaching that slavery is bad, we can make the world a better place. We can be kind and fair to everyone, and we can remember the people who worked hard to make things better for us. It's an important lesson for all of us to learn.
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@TWS1405_2
Your analogy of the Muslim school board is a false equivalency fallacy.The historical fact remains that over the course of slavery in N. America, slaves did (and their offspring), in some instances, benefit from slavery that aided them in slavery and whence they became freemen (or born post slavery).
The Muslim school board is a nearly perfect analogy.
Yes it is a fact that slaves learned some skills that did benefit some of them, just as it is a fact that thanks to 9/11, NYC was given the opportunity to revitalize its downtown area to include a brand new modernized tower which is now the tallest in the western hemisphere, a brand new modernized subway station, a brand new museum, and two beautiful waterfalls. Hell, while we’re talking about facts maybe we should even throw in the added revenue to NYC thanks to the added tourism to the downtown area because of it.
Whether we should include these facts in our efforts to inform our kids about how to reflect on these tragedies is another story.
Moreover, just think about the absurdity of what you’re fighting so hard to point to; Slavery in America occurred for about 400 years, so the overwhelming majority of slaves throughout our history never saw a free day in their lives. To spend any time focusing on the very few that learned some things that benefited them in some way after they were freed is preposterous.
But even worse than that, it wasn’t slavery that taught them these skills, it was the experience gained through work. The tragedy of slavery is not that they worked, it that’s they worked for free. If they were free to decide for themselves what livelihoods to pursue, they could have easily gained those same skills elsewhere. The only difference is that they would have been doing so at their own will, not someone else’s.
But yeah, let’s be sure to mention this “benefit” in our lesson plan.
The left’s (and your) denialism of historical truth is…
Complete strawman. There’s no dispute with regards to the facts here, this is entirely about which facts we prioritize enough to be included in the lesson.
Also, the governor does NOT pass laws. He or she only agrees (signs) or disagrees (vetos) what the Legislature does in drafting and passing state law(s).
The legislature is following his lead, and all of this falls under the governor’s signature legislative accomplishment; the Stop WOKE Act.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
in fact the section in question was "Analyze events that involved or affected Africans from the founding of the nation through Reconstruction."
Which does not negate that the instructions include teaching how some benefited from slavery
The claim is "DeSantis is whitewashing slavery"
Not my claim. Read my words and respond to what I actually said.
whenever the left-tribe tries to go into specifics on anything else they throw up their hands and say "well it's not this that proves it but the whole context of: we know he's a racist already"
Not my argument. If you’re not going to engage in my actual words please don’t bother, I’m not interested.
You beg the question.The belief != the realityX = the belief there is a devil…
This isn’t an argument, it’s barely coherent. When you figure out what part of my post you take issue with feel free to point out put and explain why.
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@Double_R
Then your obvious and irrelevant observations are noted. Moving on.The claim is "DeSantis is whitewashing slavery"Not my claim.
When you figure out what part of my post you take issue with feel free to point out put and explain why.
: "So now a state lead by a man who has made it his mission to fight back against addressing systemic injustices in America"
He's fighting back against fraudulent claims of entitlement and guilt which characterize "woke", which is an act in furtherance of justice.
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@Double_R
My post 16 response to you:
“The OP contains a brief quote lacking context. Care to provide any?”
Your post 44:
we don’t need some black professor to explain to us what it says or what the point is, it’s right there in plain English.
So, even when another poster directs you to the missing context, you refuse to give it any daylight… Surprise!
On a tangential note, I would advise that you say “we [or just “I” really, as you should speak for yourself] don’t need some professor who happens to be black [or just leave race out altogether] to explain to us what it says or what the point is…”
The way you wrote it, it just looks bad (as in bigoted).
Your initial post 14 to me:
… looking forward to being enlightened.
Here’s the thing: you have yet to give me any basis to believe that.
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@Double_R
Your analogy of the Muslim school board is a false equivalency fallacy.The historical fact remains that over the course of slavery in N. America, slaves did (and their offspring), in some instances, benefit from slavery that aided them in slavery and whence they became freemen (or born post slavery).The Muslim school board is a nearly perfect analogy.
NO IT IS NOT!!! Not even close.
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@Double_R
Yes it is a fact that slaves learned some skills that did benefit some of them
And that is THE FUCKING POINT THE - WAIT FOR IT - BLACK SCHOLARS TRIED TO POINT OUT!!!!
Which was ALREADY pointed out…yet you MADE ASININE EXCUSES to divert from that glaring fact to which you admitted to.
I.e., intellectual cowardice
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@Double_R
Moreover, just think about the absurdity of what you’re fighting so hard to point to; Slavery in America occurred for about 400 years,
Strawman fallacy. I’ve made NO such argument. Obviously. Since historically the TRUE fact is slavery was NOT a 400 year venture.