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Your reply to me is just a repetition of how you think I am wrong. 

You are simply making it up on the hoof and you missed these questions.


Did those illiterate fishermen understand this was what Peter meant when he spoke of a day being a thousand years in gods time?

  Why didn't Peter simply tell these fisherman this instead of using metaphor that seems to have completely threw them?
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It takes more faith to believe in the Christian god than in the inflationary universe/big bang theory.
 I believe in both. 
I believe that at the start of the universe, there was a big bang, and it still continued to expand our universe today. 
I also believe that God was the one who lit the spark.

The inflationary/big bang + the laws of physics accounts for everything we can observe and test.
The inflationary/big bang is one mystery.
One mystery that science can't account for. 
At least Christians have a standing in what to put their faith in (God). 
Atheists put their faith in nothing.

the nature of God, the supernatural world and their inhabitants, the afterlife, resurrection, the Trinity, souls,
All of the answers for that are explained in the Bible. People just don't have the will to go and read it. 
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Did those illiterate fishermen understand this was what Peter meant when he spoke of a day being a thousand years in gods time?

  Why didn't Peter simply tell these fisherman this instead of using metaphor that seems to have completely threw them?

People back then (unlike you) understood what a metaphor meant. 
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It tells us nothing that "Elves did it" couldn't explain.
See, the difference between "Elves did it" and "God did it" is the definition of the person you are describing.
Of course, "Elves did it" couldn't explain everything because so called "Elves" have boundaries and restrictions.
"God did it" makes sense because God has no boundaries and no limits and no restrictions, and he can do anything, so anything can be explained with "God did it"
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from Rogel Alpher:
There is no God. An individual who believes in a God that actively intervenes in earthly events, keeps an eye on him personally, and listens and responds to his prayers is mistaken. He doesn’t understand basic facts about the world and the provenance of the phone from which he sends text messages, the car that he drives, the antibiotic that cures his bronchitis and the electricity that brightens in his home. Belief in such a God is such an ignorant mistake that there’s something mentally disturbed about it. There’s no dispute at all over whether such a God who created the universe exists. There’s no need to assume his existence in order to explain the world, and there’s no objective evidence of his existence.
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anything can be explained with "God did it"
Exactly. 
So an elf defined as omnipotent, etc., would also explain anything.

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You have faith.....not evidence 

You believe because you want to believe


Atheists believe in all kinds of things....once they see the evidence
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Maybe God is dead.  Oh wait....that's not in your magical rules
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All that says is that a man likely existed
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@b9_ntt
Exactly. 
So an elf defined as omnipotent, etc., would also explain anything.
If the word Elf were to replace the word God, then yes. 
But words have definitions, so an omnipotent elf, wouldn't cut the cake. 
But if you replaced the definitions of the words, then yes. 
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@Vegasgiants
You have faith.....not evidence 
I have faith, but it isn't based on evidence. 
Evidence helps reaffirm and strengthen my faith, but it isn't based on evidence.
Now I have a lot of evidence, but that's not the basis of my faith. 

You believe because you want to believe
No, I believe because I need to believe. I am required to believe. 

Atheists believe in all kinds of things....once they see the evidence
Really, because atheists surely don't have any evidence that God doesn't exist, yet they believe God doesn't exist.

Maybe God is dead.  Oh wait....that's not in your magical rules
God is not dead. He can't die. 


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Whether science and Christianity contradict depends entirely on how literally the Bible is being taken. An unbending literal reading produces many contradictions. A liberal reading can be made to work with science. 

What Christianity are we talking about?
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Did those illiterate fishermen understand this was what Peter meant when he spoke of a day being a thousand years in gods time?

  Why didn't Peter simply tell these fisherman this instead of using metaphor that seems to have completely threw them?

People back then (unlike you) understood what a metaphor meant. 

BS

We exist in time. God exists outside of time. 

 And where in the BIBLE does it state this, considering that god walked, talked and even wrestled with men in his time?

It is a fact that many Christian branches believe that the earth is only six thousand years old when science has proved this totally wrong. 

What about Noah's ark? Who's time did this event happen? 
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@SkepticalOne
Whether science and Christianity contradict depends entirely on how literally the Bible is being taken. An unbending literal reading produces many contradictions. A liberal reading can be made to work with science. 

What Christianity are we talking about?
Well, why would you assume that a book has to only either be taken literally, or only be taken metaphorically?
Many other books have literal sentences and chapters, while some lines are metaphorical. 

The bible has many metaphorical parts to it, and many literal parts to it. 
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@Stephen
And where in the BIBLE does it state this, considering that god walked, talked and even wrestled with men in his time?
"In the beginning, God created the heavens, and the earth."

In the beginning: Time
God created the heavens: Space
and the earth: Matter

You need Time, Space, and Matter for a universe to exist. 
And since God created Time, Space, and Matter, that means he cannot be bound by it. 

Therefore, God is not bound by time, he instead exists in a place that isn't bound by time, which would be outside of time itself. 

It is a fact that many Christian branches believe that the earth is only six thousand years old when science has proved this totally wrong. 
And those Christians can believe that. Doesn't mean that they are right, but that isn't going to bring them to hell. 

What about Noah's ark? Who's time did this event happen? 
Who is time did this event happen? 
Well, that sentence doesn't make sense.
Elaborate.
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Now we have it

You have faith not based in evidence 

So do the Muslims, jews, Hindus......etc

But somehow YOU are right.  Lol

But you can't back it up with evidence.

The atheist believes in so many things that have evidence
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What Christianity are we talking about?
Well, why would you assume that a book has to only either be taken literally, or only be taken metaphorically?
That doesn't answer the question. Quite obviously, there are different heuristics for various Christian sects. Some prefer a more literal interpretation while others, probably recognizing irreconcilable issues this causes, lean more liberal. 

Which Christianity is OP referring to?
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The problem with you is that you believe the bible is indisputable only because it contains or is based on certain historical events. I mean, the bible, as many other literature books, are based on real history but at the end it is just a fictional book, we have to take it as it is.

For example, there is indeed a historical Jesus, but this man is completely different to the biblical Jesus. While the former was an average man that got married and had children, the other one is a fictional character who was born by a virgin mother, made miracles, rose from the death, and was deified by his disciples.
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@YouFound_Lxam. Now we have it.   You have faith not based in evidence. So do the Muslims, jews, Hindus......etc

But somehow YOU are right.  Lol

But you can't back it up with evidence.
Correct. Is all he ever presents are statements and theories as fact.


I am still waiting for the evidenced that science supports the story of Noah and his very large ark.


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You have faith not based in evidence 

So do the Muslims, jews, Hindus......etc

But somehow YOU are right.  Lol

But you can't back it up with evidence.

The atheist believes in so many things that have evidence
Yea.............are you not able to comprehend my point?
I have faith, and I evidence, but I don't base my faith in my evidence.
What I believe in has so much evidence, but I don't base my faith in that evidence.

I literally used evidence to back up my point. 
Atheists also believe in a lot of things that don't have fact/evidence-based truths. 


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@SkepticalOne
That doesn't answer the question. Quite obviously, there are different heuristics for various Christian sects. Some prefer a more literal interpretation while others, probably recognizing irreconcilable issues this causes, lean more liberal. 

Which Christianity is OP referring to?
The bible has many books. 
In the verses I believe that there are certain context clues that help Christians to understand what parts of the Bible are to be taken literally and what parts are to be taken metaphorically.

I think one of the only challenging books would be Revelations. 

But nonetheless, it is not smart to assume that the whole bible is to be either taken with a more literal approach, or with a more metaphorical approach.

I believe the best way to explain the Bible, is that it is one big story, about Gods love for us, and our human reaction and decisions because of that love. 
It is also jam packed with advice on how to be a morally good person, in every aspect of life. 
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@IlDiavolo
The problem with you is that you believe the bible is indisputable only because it contains or is based on certain historical events. I mean, the bible, as many other literature books, are based on real history but at the end it is just a fictional book, we have to take it as it is.
How do you know it is just a fictional book? 
There are historical events that we don't have written down anywhere else but the Bible, and we have evidence of those events in real life. 

For example, there is indeed a historical Jesus, but this man is completely different to the biblical Jesus. While the former was an average man that got married and had children, the other one is a fictional character who was born by a virgin mother, made miracles, rose from the death, and was deified by his disciples.
I am going to need evidence for this big claim. 

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The bible has many books. 
In the verses I believe that there are certain context clues that help Christians to understand what parts of the Bible are to be taken literally and what parts are to be taken metaphorically.

How about this one. Literal or metaphorical? 

The Talking Donkey.
Numbers 22:28-30  English Standard Version


28 Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” 29 And Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a fool of me. I wish I had a sword in my hand, for then I would kill you.” 30 And the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey, on which you have ridden all your life long to this day? Is it my habit to treat you this way?” And he said, “No.”

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Literally metaphorical.
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Then cite your evidence 

If I have evidence I DONT NEED FAITH
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He then claims his fiction as fact

There is no evidence of a ark 
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@YouFound_Lxam
The bible has many books. 
Agreed.

In the verses I believe that there are certain context clues that help Christians to understand what parts of the Bible are to be taken literally and what parts are to be taken metaphorically.
Agreed by all.

But nonetheless, it is not smart to assume that the whole bible is to be either taken with a more literal approach, or with a more metaphorical approach
Agreed. 

Now that we've covered all the talking points- how do you understand the Bible? Did the creation stories in Genesis happen thousands of years ago?  Did Jacob's flock get their spots by way of colorful wood? Did the Earth really stop spinning? Can donkeys and snakes talk? Was the flood global? What is the smallest seed?

Any 'yes' answer would contradict what we know scientifically about the world. 
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@Stephen
Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” 29 And Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a fool of me. I wish I had a sword in my hand, for then I would kill you.” 30 And the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey, on which you have ridden all your life long to this day? Is it my habit to treat you this way?” And he said, “No.”
This story is literal. 
See, in elementary school, you learn how to tell if something is written as a metaphor.
Do you see anything in this story that points to it being a metaphor?


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Then cite your evidence 

If I have evidence I DONT NEED FAITH
If you're an atheist, you need more faith than a Christian does. 
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Now that we've covered all the talking points- how do you understand the Bible? Did the creation stories in Genesis happen thousands of years ago?  Did Jacob's flock get their spots by way of colorful wood? Did the Earth really stop spinning? Can donkeys and snakes talk? Was the flood global? What is the smallest seed?

Any 'yes' answer would contradict what we know scientifically about the world. 

Do you want me to go through every single verse in the Bible? 
No then I already answered your question. 
If you have a question about a specific verse, then ask me about that specific verse. Not the whole bible at once.