The key to victory in 2024 for the democrats lies in abortion

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Is this for me?

You have an opinion on what your poll means in terms of voting.  Your poll does not address voting directly.  That is an opinion poll based on one.

Correct?
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Your poll does not address how people will vote.  Many polled said they would vote for Hillary.....and then did not vote at all
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Nah fam, I just read the number off the poll. Specifically I read off the number 19% on one poll 6% on another poll, and 15% an a 3rd poll.

Not really sure what you are asking in good faith here.
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Where does your poll address how people will vote?  They don't even ask about voting 
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One of those polls was an exit poll, but We can compare exit polls with the numbers of the other polls and see if they line up.

That way we can both work together to find the truth instead of relying on sample sizes of one.
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That's nice.   They NEVER DIRECTLY ASK HOW PEOPLE WILL VOTE.


Deny that
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I don't see the lie by democrats.   Quote them
Dems say " Most Americans support abortion [however] 
Polls show almost nine in 10 Americans oppose Biden and Pelosi’s extreme position of abortion on demand until birth."  (
https://nypost.com/2022/06/26/the-democrats-lies-on-abortion-since-scotus-overruling-of-roe-v-wade/)

"Abortion will be a vote-winner for Democrats [yet] If they are so opposed to the Supreme Court decision, why don’t Democrats simply pass a law to codify Roe v. Wade, since they control Washington?
Well, they tried it already with the Women’s Health Protection Act, and failed. The Senate voted 49-51 against the bill, which would have overridden state abortion laws, well short of the 60 votes needed" (ibid)

"The truth is Democrats strayed too far from public opinion. Where once the phrase “safe, legal and rare” summed up a palatable position for Democrats, they allowed extremists to push it to abortion any time for any reason, including for sex selection and to get rid of Down syndrome babies, which is opposed by 70% of Americans, according to a Knights of Columbus survey last year." (ibid)

There is more, but you can look it up for yourself.



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Which democrat lied and what exactly was the lie?
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My poll showed 19% of people want this.
No, it didn't. It said that 19% of people believe that abortions should be available in the last trimester. So it is entirely plausible that those people meant in month 7, not in month 9. Additionally, the "legal in all cases" was 8%. 11% was "legal in most cases". But there was no option for "legal in case of medical emergency" or "legal in case of rape or incest" etc.  So alot of people would just take the one they think would give women the ability to protect their rights. I'm sure if you actually had a conversation with those people, almost none of them think an abortion right up to the due date is appropriate. 

A poll like this isn't going to be able to capture a nuanced opinion on a complicated issue. 

What you think with your sample size of one doesn't match up with the pew poll.
you didn't link to a pew poll. Nor did you seem to understand the results you brought up. 
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The poll clearly says 19% want abortions in all cases with no exceptions.
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The poll clearly says 19% want abortions in all cases with no exceptions.
24 weeks is the 2nd trimester. A standard pregnancy is 40 weeks. So no, this absolutely does not say that 19% want abortions the day before the due date. It says 19% want abortions in the 2nd trimester, months before the due date. And I'd bet you most of the people being polled didn't know what a fetus was capable of at 24 weeks. I don't know that without checking 1st. So the idea that you could just call people up and ask week by week when the cutoff should be is silly. They aren't going to know off the top of their head, but they will still have to give an answer. 

I keep telling you, you cannot use a poll with such limited answers to try to get this kind of detail on such a complicated question. 
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He is making suppositions about what the poll means without evidence 
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He is making suppositions about what the poll means without evidence 
oh I am aware. I have pointed that out to him. He wants to find polling that will say what he is looking to prove, so he finds polls that give information that look like they might say what he wants them to say, even though they don't. 

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That's not what the poll says. If you want me to break out the photoshop and circle the English words on the poll, I can do that for you.

 And I'd bet you most of the people being polled didn't know...
Now you are guessing instead of reading the English words on the poll. Seems like you may have unconsciously projected your error onto me.
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The poll does not address how people will vote


Correct?
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Which democrat lied and what exactly was the lie?

Read the link which I had previously sent you.
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I did


Same question 
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That's not what the poll says. If you want me to break out the photoshop and circle the English words on the poll, I can do that for you.
lol the poll you linked to (I'll put it below in case you forgot) shows people's opinions at 6 weeks, 14 weeks and 24 weeks. None of these options are in the 3rd trimester, let alone right before the due date. 

Now you are guessing instead of reading the English words on the poll. Seems like you may have unconsciously projected your error onto me.
I have no idea what you are talking about. that poll you linked only shows opinions up to 24 weeks and you are going on and on about how it says people want abortions at 40 weeks. 
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What do you think the difference is between the category "at this point" on the 24 week row and the category "In all cases no exceptions"
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Good for you. 

Same answer.

Read again.
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You too buddy
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That's an opinion blog....right?
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It contains quotes ....right?

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Quote them in a lie
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What do you think the difference is between the category "at this point" on the 24 week row and the category "In all cases no exceptions"
It means that those people believe that at 24 weeks (ie in the 2nd trimester) an abortion should be legal in all cases. It says absolutely nothing about the 3rd trimester, let alone shortly before the due date. So it absolutely does not confirm or even support the assertion you were making that significant numbers of people support late term abortion.

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What's the difference between the 2 categories?

Your answer should be in this format:

Category A means:

and Category B means:
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Quote them in a lie
I have found that chauvinists often lack reading comprehension.

Sometimes you link them to a complete article to show their folly in context, and they misunderstand.  They want a myopic and clear picture perfect jigsaw piece.

So here we go. We need to show 1) a quote, 2) by a democrat 3) on abortion 4) that is a lie.

" Georgia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams ...." ( https://studentsforlife.org/2022/09/26/stacey-abrams-denies-science-of-fetal-heartbeat-planned-parenthood-follows-her-outlandish-conspiracy/ ....ergo Stacey Abrams is a democrat ( item 2 satisfied)

Abrams said "“It [a fetal heartbeat] is a manufactured sound designed to convince people that men have the right to take control of a woman’s body.”   ( ibid)
ergo a quote by a democrat ( items 1 and 2 satisfied.)

The "heartbeat " comment was related to a concept fundamental to "abortion rights" ergo item 3 satisfied.

" an ultrasound can detect the beating of cardiac tissue around weeks five to six" https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/when-does-a-fetus-have-a-heartbeat
ergo item 4 satisfied.

We can now see a quote by a democrat about abortion that is a lie. QED.

Also 90% of voters consider the Dem stance on abortion to be too extreme, while only 60% view the republican stance as too extreme.

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Most doctors do not agree that constitutes a heart beat because no heart exists at that time

She was right

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What's the difference between the 2 categories?
you're not really making any sense. The "category" of "legal in all cases" means they think it should be legal in all cases at the week specified. So next to 6 weeks, they think it should be legal in all cases at 6 weeks. Next to 14 weeks it weeks it means they think it should be legal in all cases at 14 weeks. Next to 24 weeks they think it should be legal in all cases at 24 weeks. 

And that is where this poll ends in this graphic. They do not ask people's opinions past 24 weeks (ie in the 2nd trimester). They do not ask if people think it should be legal in the 30th week, or the 40th week. So you cannot draw any conclusion about late term abortion from this poll.