Define a Woman Liberals.

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What I am saying is that the idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa, and that we should accept that as fact should be eradicated, and exterminated from the public square. 
Shut up you idiot child.

The professionals in mental health will decide what belongs in the public square in terms of what is a disorder and what is legitimate sexual identity and sexual orientation. The public doesn’t get a vote on this anymore than it can decide depression is  just people being weak. Homosexuality was considered a disorder until 1987. It took 28 years for the law to catch up with the Supreme Court decision. The public is still debating the acceptance of gay and lesbian citizens.
 
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Take it up with them.  I live in America and legal is what counts here
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@iwannaroosevelt

The professionals in mental health will decide what belongs in the public square in terms of what is a disorder
So we have here an appeal to authority argument fallacy.

To that, it is best to respond with an even higher appeal to authority.

For example: 
I am sorry mister roosevelt, but God decides what is a disorder and God has already spoken his mind. Since God's knowledge is greater than that of yours and of your professionals, it follows that you are wrong.
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I just spoke to God. He says you got it all wrong
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No my God told me that I am very smart and that I am always right.
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I am God.  And I forgive you 
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Meaning transgender men are actually women because they fulfil the criteria of being adult human females. 
  • In some correct senses of WOMAN and FEMALE, yes.

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I stated that we must exterminate and eradicate the ideology of Transgenderism. 

  • As you well know,  ideologies have no physicality and can't be exterminated, only the people who think them.    Since your non-dictionary defintion of Transgenderism is the belief that all people are valid in their stated sexual identity, your plan is, in fact, to exterminate all Feminists.  Even if you succeed in killing us all, new humans will be born tomorrow who think those same thoughts.    Your evil plan has zero possibility of success.
What I am saying is that the idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa, and that we should accept that as fact should be eradicated, and exterminated from the public square. At the very least be condemned because it is indeed not biological fact. 
  • As you well know, there are many more valid definitions of WOMAN and FEMALE than the biological fact.  The notion that men and women are more than mereB binary biology is as old as Western Literature: Eve was just a chunk torn off from Adam who's babymaking abilities came later as a punishment for thinking.  Tiresias was a priest of Apollo who became a woman for seven years, married a man, had children, and then changed back.
When someone truly believes something to be real that is fundamentally false by every aspect of human nature and life, that is called delusion.  I will not respect someone's delusion. 
  • and that makes you a bad American, a mewling, selfish, anti-social child.  All grown-ups learn to respect the many, many delusions their fellow citizens walk around believing.
 Give me one social construct that we cannot tie to some form of reality. 
  • Nationality
  • Race
  • Beauty
  • Intelligence
  • Class
  • Time
  • Marriage
  • Education
  • Normality

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Because of a combination of biological factors.
Voice pitch. 
Body shape.
Limb length.

Women tend to have an hourglass shape that is always definable no matter how obese or skinny the woman is. 
Men tend to have a V shape. 

Here is a list of physical differences in males and females:
Skull in males are larger
Males shoulders are wider & higher. Female shoulders hold an angle
The female thorax is narrower
The male torsos are shorter
Males have longer arms
The oblique slant of femur is more pronounced in female.
Male legs are longer. 
Ok, so if you look at an individual and you recognize each of their physical traits as listed above are consistent with a woman, would you then identify this individual as a woman?
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Wait this is an all or nothing dichotomy - either all women are female or they are not. In what way/scenario is a trans man not a woman, per the wiktionary definition. 
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Wrong.
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Bless you my son
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Tiresias was a priest of Apollo who became a woman for seven years, married a man, had children, and then changed back.
Makes sense.
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No you
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So we have here an appeal to authority argument fallacy.
That is only a fallacy if the authority offered is not a actually an expert.

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I am sorry mister roosevelt, but God decides 
There is no God you idiot

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That is only a fallacy if the authority offered is not a actually an expert.
Actually, the fallacy is usually made by labeling someone "an expert".

For example, God is the biggest expert. So God still wins.
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I just spoke to God. He says you got it all wrong
Exactly. Imagine going around saying “God says so”. What kind of moron thinks that is a valid argument.

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There is no God you idiot
You will remember those words once you go to hell to burn.

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For example, God is the biggest expert. So God still wins.
You know, Jesus is white, not Korean. Just look at all the paintings of him. So you are like a second class or even third class Christian. In heaven you’ll have to get in the Korean line.


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You know, Jesus is white
So he is not black? Thats why you cant worship him?

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Thats why you cant worship him?
I don’t worship Jesus because he was just a man who indulged in drugs. I don’t believe in God because I’m not so weak minded that I need a fairy tale to cling to.

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God said stop that
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Wait this is an all or nothing dichotomy -
  • says who?

either all women are female or they are not.
  • That's not my experience.  In the real world, men and women come in every shade of the masculine/feminine rainbow.
In what way/scenario is a trans man not a woman, per the wiktionary definition. 
  • When female is defined by sex but not gender
    • i.e. "Everyone with tits must now leave the room."
  • When female is determined by feminine character.
    • i.e.  "And now if the ladies would like to take a moment to powder thier noses..."
  • When woman is defined as a wife, fiancee or girlfriend
    • i.e.  " I'd say she's doing a woman's hardest job: juggling wolves." -Rear Window
  • When woman is defined a female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified thing
    • i.e. "You might like "Real Housewives" but I'm more of a "Sex and the CIty" woman, myself."
  • When woman is defined as a female attendent or servent
    • i.e.  " My woman comes in on Tuesdays to clean."

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Wait this is an all or nothing dichotomy -
  • says who?
I mean there is only one sense of "WOMAN", and that is one where they are an adult human female. So either a trans man is a woman, or they aren't, there isn't really a third option. 

either all women are female or they are not.
  • That's not my experience.  In the real world, men and women come in every shade of the masculine/feminine rainbow.
See you're wrong - if a woman is defined as an adult human female, then adult human is a necessary predicate for being a woman. So therefore it can be inferred per the definition you provided that given it is a criteria, either all women are female, or they aren't. You are making the painfully common mistake of mistaking feminine with woman. 

In what way/scenario is a trans man not a woman, per the wiktionary definition. 
  • When female is defined by sex but not gender
    • i.e. "Everyone with tits must now leave the room."
  • When female is determined by feminine character.
    • i.e.  "And now if the ladies would like to take a moment to powder their noses..."
  • When woman is defined as a wife, fiancee or girlfriend
    • i.e.  " I'd say she's doing a woman's hardest job: juggling wolves." -Rear Window
  • When woman is defined a female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified thing
    • i.e. "You might like "Real Housewives" but I'm more of a "Sex and the CIty" woman, myself."
  • When woman is defined as a female attendent or servent
    • i.e.  " My woman comes in on Tuesdays to clean."
No but you defined woman as an adult human female. So everything you said here is irrelevant because it doesn't prove how a transgender man, who is a female/woman per your own definition, can be a male/man. 

I'll ask again. Let's suppose that for all men, the criteria for being is being an adult male. Let's also suppose for all women, the criteria for being is being an adult female. So per this definition, because a trans man is still biologically a female, it follows that they also fall into the category of woman, by virtue of being both adults (we assume) and females. So in what sense is this trans man, per your definition that women are adult females, a man? 

I would also like to note that this is the sort of debate I would have liked to engage in. Though admittedly, from your responses, it's a good thing you didn't.  
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Wait this is an all or nothing dichotomy -
  • says who?
I mean there is only one sense of "WOMAN",
  • False.  As you've just seen, Wiktionary finds at least six senses of the word.
and that is one where they are an adult human female.
  • And another six senses of FEMALE
So either a trans man is a woman, or they aren't, there isn't really a third option. 
  • I'll repeat the question: says who?  Wiktionary says there are at least twelve.
either all women are female or they are not.
  • That's not my experience.  In the real world, men and women come in every shade of the masculine/feminine rainbow.
See you're wrong - if a woman is defined as an adult human female,
  • You misread the dictionary. Adult human female was only one sense of the word.
In what way/scenario is a trans man not a woman, per the wiktionary definition. 
  • When female is defined by sex but not gender
    • i.e. "Everyone with tits must now leave the room."
  • When female is determined by feminine character.
    • i.e.  "And now if the ladies would like to take a moment to powder their noses..."
  • When woman is defined as a wife, fiancee or girlfriend
    • i.e.  " I'd say she's doing a woman's hardest job: juggling wolves." -Rear Window
  • When woman is defined a female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified thing
    • i.e. "You might like "Real Housewives" but I'm more of a "Sex and the CIty" woman, myself."
  • When woman is defined as a female attendent or servent
    • i.e.  " My woman comes in on Tuesdays to clean."
No but you defined woman as an adult human female.
  • False.
  • In POST #2, I defined a WOMAN as:
Noun
woman (plural women)
  1. An adult female humanquotations ▼
  2. (collective) All female humans collectively; womankindquotations ▼
  3. A female person, usually an adult; a (generally adult) female sentient being, whether humansupernaturalelfalien, etc. quotations ▼
  4. wife (or sometimes a fiancée or girlfriend). quotations ▼
  5. A female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified type of thing. (Used as the last element of a compound.quotations ▼
  6. female attendant or servant.

So everything you said here is irrelevant because it doesn't prove how a transgender man, who is a female/woman per your own definition, can be a male/man. 
  • False.  I just explained you many way in which a tran man is no female which direct answer you falsely ignored as irrelevant.  If you are going to dodge, dodge honestly.
I'll ask again. Let's suppose that for all men, the criteria for being is being an adult male. Let's also suppose for all women, the criteria for being is being an adult female. So per this definition, because a trans man is still biologically a female, it follows that they also fall into the category of woman, by virtue of being both adults (we assume) and females. So in what sense is this trans man, per your definition that women are adult females, a man? 
All you have to do is
  1. re-read the dictionary definition I provided in POST
  2. notice how very different it is from your aggressively over-narrow, pig-headed definition and
  3. comprehend that difference





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@oromagi
Wait this is an all or nothing dichotomy -
  • says who?
I mean there is only one sense of "WOMAN",
  • False.  As you've just seen, Wiktionary finds at least six senses of the word.
Five of which mention female - an inherently biologically imbued term. One mentions wife. 

and that is one where they are an adult human female.
  • And another six senses of FEMALE
There are six manifestations of characters commonly associated with female - that isn't to say those customary associations make someone actually a female. You cite the following 

  1. An adult female humanquotations ▼
  2. (collective) All female humans collectively; womankindquotations ▼
  3. A female person, usually an adult; a (generally adult) female sentient being, whether humansupernaturalelfalien, etc. quotations ▼
  4. wife (or sometimes a fiancée or girlfriend). quotations ▼
  5. A female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified type of thing. (Used as the last element of a compound.quotations ▼
  6. female attendant or servant.
 All of them refer back someone to female, which is again, inherently biological. The six "senses" aren't six seperate definitions.  

So either a trans man is a woman, or they aren't, there isn't really a third option. 
  • I'll repeat the question: says who?  Wiktionary says there are at least twelve.
And all 12 mention female - which restricts males, which transitivity would imply restricts men.  

  • False.
  • In POST #2, I defined a WOMAN as:
  1. An adult female humanquotations ▼
  2. (collective) All female humans collectively; womankindquotations ▼
  3. A female person, usually an adult; a (generally adult) female sentient being, whether humansupernaturalelfalien, etc. quotations ▼
  4. wife (or sometimes a fiancée or girlfriend). quotations ▼
  5. A female person who is extremely fond of or devoted to a specified type of thing. (Used as the last element of a compound.quotations ▼
  6. female attendant or servant.
Which of these definitions allow for men to identify as women? Are you suggesting that "adult female human, females collectively, female person x2 and female attendant" can somehow transcend their biologically determined "femaleness" to become men? 

A crucial question here then is what is your definition of female? 

So everything you said here is irrelevant because it doesn't prove how a transgender man, who is a female/woman per your own definition, can be a male/man. 
  • False.  I just explained you many way in which a tran man is no female which direct answer you falsely ignored as irrelevant.  If you are going to dodge, dodge honestly.
You haven't because you haven't demonstrated that a trans man isn't a female because the definition of female is biologically grounded, not grounded in being an attendant or a wife. So unless you are anti scientific then you have to cut out the dodging. 

All you have to do is
  1. re-read the dictionary definition I provided in POST
  2. notice how very different it is from your aggressively over-narrow, pig-headed definition and
  3. comprehend that difference
And your definitions are of course, reliant on the term female which forbids any males and therefore men to be associated. Also, the subtle insults don't work when you're the one dodging debate. Don't be the tough guy yelling insults into the ring without getting in. 
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I also notice the lack of a "mention" - likely a pitiful attempt at hoping I wouldn't find your matchbox of a response. 
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@Bones
  • It is regrettable you don't understand how dictionaries work.
  • Notice how different the dictionary definition is from yours.  Then wonder why.


Adjective 
female (not generally comparablecomparative femaler or more femalesuperlative femalest or most female)
  1. Belonging to the sex which typically produces eggs (ova), or to the gender which is typically associated with it. [from 14th c.] quotations ▼female authorsthe leading male and female artistsfemale bird cooing at a maleintersex female patientsa trans female vlogger
  2. Characteristic of this sex/gender. (Compare femininewomanly.quotations ▼stereotypically female pastimesan insect with typically female coloration
  3. Tending to lead to or regulate the development of sexual characteristics typical of this sex.the female chromosome;   estrogen, the primary female sex hormone, is produced by both females and males
  4. (grammar, less common than 'feminine'Feminine; of the feminine grammatical gender. quotations ▼
  5. (of bacteria) Lacking the F factor, and able to receive DNA from another bacterium which does have this factor (a male). quotations ▼
  6. (figuratively) Having an internal socket, as in a connector or pipe fitting. [from 16th c.] 

Notice that dictionary says that human biology is only relevant to half of primary definition.  A biological man who identifies as the GENDER assoicated with biological woman is also properly referred to as FEMALE, according to the dictionary.  Notice how Wiktionary includes the specific example:  "a trans female vlogger."

I really think you are just being deliberately obtuse.



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  • It is regrettable you don't understand how dictionaries work.
  • Notice how different the dictionary definition is from yours.  Then wonder why.
Unfortunately for you, my definition is the status quo, appearing as the first entry from a couple reputable sources. (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8

Adjective 
female (not generally comparablecomparative femaler or more femalesuperlative femalest or most female)
  1. Belonging to the sex which typically produces eggs (ova), or to the gender which is typically associated with it. [from 14th c.] quotations ▼female authorsthe leading male and female artistsfemale bird cooing at a maleintersex female patientsa trans female vlogger
  2. Characteristic of this sex/gender. (Compare femininewomanly.quotations ▼stereotypically female pastimesan insect with typically female coloration
  3. Tending to lead to or regulate the development of sexual characteristics typical of this sex.the female chromosome;   estrogen, the primary female sex hormone, is produced by both females and males
  4. (grammar, less common than 'feminine'Feminine; of the feminine grammatical gender. quotations ▼
  5. (of bacteria) Lacking the F factor, and able to receive DNA from another bacterium which does have this factor (a male). quotations ▼
  6. (figuratively) Having an internal socket, as in a connector or pipe fitting. [from 16th c.] 

Notice that dictionary says that human biology is only relevant to half of primary definition.  A biological man who identifies as the GENDER assoicated with biological woman is also properly referred to as FEMALE, according to the dictionary.  Notice how Wiktionary includes the specific example:  "a trans female vlogger."
Oh I see, so there are two "parts" to the definition of female, that of belonging to the sex, as identified through ova, and also this weird gender one. So what does it mean to be a female per the gender description? The definition provides a basis for identifying say a female artist, by virtue of the "producing eggs" predicate. But curiously, there is no such identifier for the gendered interpretation. So what part of the trans female vlogger makes them female? 

I really think you are just being deliberately obtuse.
Sorry but no one asked what you think of me. Feel free to project though, it's the second best thing to do after dodging a debate.