The transgenderism debate

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That's correct, but I extend this nationalism to other races, too. It's okay to be Black. Black people should have their own spaces. It's okay to be a Black nationalist
That’s very big of you. Which countries do you think would be appropriate to be designated “Black people only”

Should the United States let someone like you into our country?

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Hitler tried giving Jews money to leave Germany
Interesting, what race to you believe German Jews to be?

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all the human races are perfectly the same?
By perfectly the same what do you mean? They all have the same skin color, eye color and hair color?

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It’s infiltrating public education, legislation, laws, court decisions, scotus decisions legislating from the bench in order to pander to it, it’s in television, it’s in YouTube videos (the beast), product advertisement, in our girls/women’s sports and their safe spaces (bathrooms, locker rooms), it’s forcefully altering language and punishing those who don’t agree or use the right pronouns. I can go on and on and on. It is a big deal. And it’s all premised on a mental disorder that’s invading the lives of children. WA state is even going so far as passing legislation allowing the state to legally kidnap your child if you don’t agree with their wishes to be called Johnny instead of Jane and place them in either a liberal or alphabet soup foster home while they transition without your further knowledge or acceptance.

I don't know what "it" is when you say "it's" infiltrating.....   Do you think that there are people who are gay or trans by nature?  If you do, then just let them be who they are with equal rights and dignity.  That's all.  As to what bathrooms and sports and all that, I agree there are things to work out.   I don't think women are the same as transwomen.    As for scotus legislating from the bench... I could make an argument they have been doing that with conservative issues, and federal judges too.   And yeah, it's all over TV.  I agree it can be a big too much at times when directors or TV shows are pushing hard.  They are get people more comfortable with it and just seeing gay people are a part of everyday life is part of that.   Eventually, it will fade off.   Product advertisement, same thing.   You don't think it's right a transwoman drank some bud light, then don't drink bud light.  I stopped going to chic fil a years ago because of their bigoted stance on gays.  As for language, it really cost you nothing to call someone "she" even if she was born a "he".   What do you care?  Live and let live.   That's an easy change to make.   As for nonbinary using "they" I find that anoying and don't use it.  I just find another way to refer to nonbinaries usually with proper nouns.   Reallly, we are talking about a very small percentage of the population.  If "they" or some other new word catches on naturally over time, then so be it.  

Good grief, you dumped a million things on me with very few specific examples so sorry if I didn't cover everything.  I don't think it's a mental disorder to be gay or trans.   If you think that these people just don't really exist then I can see why you are in such a panic and I can see why transpeople are pushing back on people like you.   Good luck with that.    I say let people be who they say they are to the extent that aren't hurting you but it doesn't even sound like you're willing to do that.  


The ideology of transgenderism is so pronounced and so widespread that there is no need to describe it in detail.

Stop thinking of it an ideology.  Some people are just gay or trans or bisexual.     Just let them be.  They aren't hurting you.    If some of them are over the top with their politics or hating on others, then I join you in condemning them as I would with any overreaching group of which there are many on the political right and left. 

What occasions a statement from the National Association of Scholars on it are several of the ways that that ideology has disrupted American education at all levels. These include:
Vitriolic attacks on faculty members and medical professionals who dissent from the transgender orthodoxy2

I don't agree with vitriolic attacks of any kind.  There is a problem on the far left with woke nonsense and it's more present in universities, but that's not the same as gay or trans people just wanting equal rights.   Of course if you think gay / trans is just a mental disorder then we just aren't going to agree.   There are plenty of kooky vitrolic attacks and canceling going on on the political right as well.  I condemn all of it.

Insisting that faculty members and students divulge their “preferred pronouns” and that others address and refer to people by these pronouns.3

Again, what does it hurt you or anyone to call someone she or he if that's what he or she prefers?   This is America.  Stop pushing your values and lifestyle on other people.

The readiness of competitive sports to permit individuals of one sex to compete in single-sex contests of the opposite sex.4

I agree transwomen shouldn't particpate in women's sports.  I'm not sure we work that out in a fair way.  It's okay to say we haven't figured out all the right answers yet.

The designation of gender-inclusive restrooms on campus.

I'm about out of time here, but I really think this is mostly a non-issue.  No, I don't think trans should have their own bathrooms.  Trans people have been using bathrooms for a long time.  Mostly no one cares or has a reason to.   Both the left and right are just being used by the parties.  We have much bigger things to talk about.   


The insistence that archaeologists and forensic anthropologists cease classifying human skeletal remains as male or female, since we do not know the “gender identification” of the individuals.6

I never heard that one, but I agree that's stupid.


The ideology of transgenderism is built on a lie. Ever hear of doctor money?  It’s because of him that started the lies and misinformation about trans and the ability to raise a child successfully as the opposite sex/gender than what they were biologically born as. 

Well, mabye you're just a bigot.   If you hate gay people there's no pleasing you and that's not what this is about.    There's no reason gay or trans people can't raise kids in a loving household and there are plenty of examples of straight parents messing up their kids.   YOU'RE the one who seems hell bend on pushing his values and lifestyle on others here.

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So majority/non-marginalized groups do or do not have the "civil right" to be segregated if they want to be?
They do not, although I would love to exclude women from my golf club. They play so slow.

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I don't know what "it" is when you say "it's" infiltrating.....  
How old are you? Did you graduate high school?
Sorry, not trying to be too direct here…but what is the subject of this thread?
Transgenderism as an ideology.
The subject is the “it,” Tim. “It” = Transgenderism ideology. 
Reading comprehension matters. 

Do you think that there are people who are gay or trans by nature? 
No. It’s nurture (or indoctrination, as witnessed as of late with the social contagion of the transgender ideology), not nature. 

If you do, then just let them be who they are with equal rights and dignity.  That's all. 
They have always had equal rights. What they have wanted and demanded are special rights. “That’s all.”

As to what bathrooms and sports and all that, I agree there are things to work out.   I don't think women are the same as transwomen.    As for scotus legislating from the bench... I could make an argument they have been doing that with conservative issues, and federal judges too.  
Make your argument then. It won’t pass muster.
I have a legal background, do you?
Comparing one case to others is a false equivalency fallacy. 

And yeah, it's all over TV.  I agree it can be a big too much at times when directors or TV shows are pushing hard.  They are get people more comfortable with it and just seeing gay people are a part of everyday life is part of that.  
This thread is about Transgenderism ideology. Not homosexuality. Gays have all but been accepted. Though they add more of it to normal television programming, most people do not like seeing it, let alone having their impressionable children seeing it. 

If people were in an uproar over Janet Jackson showing a tit during a halftime football show, how can they not be even more upset over the alphabet soup garbage on television!?!

Eventually, it will fade off.  
No. It will never fade. Less than 0.6% of the population invading the world/realm of normal heterosexual people will not be accepted. Ever. 

Product advertisement, same thing.   You don't think it's right a transwoman drank some bud light, then don't drink bud light.  I stopped going to chic fil a years ago because of their bigoted stance on gays.  As for language, it really cost you nothing to call someone "she" even if she was born a "he".  
I will never lie. If you are a he, I will call you a she. 
Putting a dress, wig, lipstick on and fake breasts will never make Mrs. Piggy a real human being. 
Same goes for men who think they are women. 

What do you care?  Live and let live.  
See, this is what I mean by reading comprehension. My response to you made it crystal clear why I care. What part of it did you not understand!?!

That's an easy change to make.   As for nonbinary using "they" I find that anoying and don't use it.  I just find another way to refer to nonbinaries usually with proper nouns.   Reallly, we are talking about a very small percentage of the population.  If "they" or some other new word catches on naturally over time, then so be it.   

Good grief, you dumped a million things on me with very few specific examples so sorry if I didn't cover everything.  I don't think it's a mental disorder to be gay or trans.   If you think that these people just don't really exist then I can see why you are in such a panic and I can see why transpeople are pushing back on people like you.   Good luck with that.    I say let people be who they say they are to the extent that aren't hurting you but it doesn't even sound like you're willing to do that.   

The rest of this is just uneducated drivel.
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No. It’s nurture (or indoctrination, as witnessed as of late with the social contagion of the transgender ideology), not nature. 
Oh? What about gay people, nature or nurture?

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Fanchick, get your lame ass in my thread. chop chop
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No. It’s nurture (or indoctrination, as witnessed as of late with the social contagion of the transgender ideology), not nature. 
Oh? What about gay people, nature or nurture?

What is the topic of this thread?
Transgenderism is an ideology.
Stay on topic, Fanchick.
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Which thread would that be?????
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What is the topic of this thread
Transgenderism is an ideology
You can’t walk and chew gum LCpl? Is being gay nature or nurture? Come on genius.

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but I like society the way it is. We have been thriving with our social norms for a while now 
Remember the social norms back in the good ole days when blacks had to sit at the back of the bus? Was that change bad for society?

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lol, Fanchick scared.
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Fanchick scared.
yup. Hiding in mamma’s basement. 
Little incel that he is!! 

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Seriously??

This was addressed several pages ago, which you have not read, obviously.

Guilty as charged.  I came in late and didn't read the 12 pages that were here before me.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hiding in mamma’s basement. 
Little incel that he is!! 
Um, I’m married with children, and live in my million dollar home in Southern California. My rental houses are bigger than the mobile home you rent.

You are living on disability (no brain, no dick) unemployed and no children. 
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How old are you? Did you graduate high school?
Sorry, not trying to be too direct here…but what is the subject of this thread?
Transgenderism as an ideology.
The subject is the “it,” Tim. “It” = Transgenderism ideology. 
Reading comprehension matters. 

I haven't been disrespectful to you or anyone here.   You're the one  being condescending and insultingly sarcastic and yet you think I'm the one who needs an age check? 

No. It’s nurture (or indoctrination, as witnessed as of late with the social contagion of the transgender ideology), not nature.
If you don't think being trans is a real thing then there's not much to talk about.  Why bother complaining about all the bathrooms and sports issues if you're real agenda is just anti-trans on an existential level?

They have always had equal rights. What they have wanted and demanded are special rights. “That’s all.”
Not really.  Would you hire a trans person?   I'm guessing no. 

This thread is about Transgenderism ideology. Not homosexuality. Gays have all but been accepted. Though they add more of it to normal television programming, most people do not like seeing it, let alone having their impressionable children seeing it. 
You can't see the irony in your post?    People who accept gays aren't worried about their impressionable children seeing it.   Remember when you were a kid and you thought, hmmm... should I like girls or should I like boys?   Doesn't work that way, does it?  Stop worrying about gay and trans people.  They aren't hurting you.  If you're worried you or your kids will see a gay person and become gay then you're probably already gay to begin with.

If people were in an uproar over Janet Jackson showing a tit during a halftime football show, how can they not be even more upset over the alphabet soup garbage on television!?!
I still remember when Rs were saying teletubbies are trying to make our kids gay.   It's a lot of hysteria.   Used to be a big deal to show a toilet on TV.  Times change.

Eventually, it will fade off.  
No. It will never fade. Less than 0.6% of the population invading the world/realm of normal heterosexual people will not be accepted. Ever. 

It's already happening.  The younger generation is far more accepting.    And they said the same thing about blacks & white marrying or gay people being out.  History is full of people like you saying stuff like this and being wrong about it.    

     But again, why worry about it?  It doesn't cost you anything to just let people be who they are. 

Putting a dress, wig, lipstick on and fake breasts will never make Mrs. Piggy a real human being. 
Same goes for men who think they are women. 

I don't think transwomen are the same as women, but it costs me nothing to be kind to people and give them their dignity.    You should try it.  

What do you care?  Live and let live.  
See, this is what I mean by reading comprehension. My response to you made it crystal clear why I care.

I read you loud and clear.   I just don't agree that a man would put on a dress and live a life of ridicule for no good reason.  Seriously who would choose to be trans?  Just a lot of grief and headache.   I've heard you out and tried to respond.   I even agreed with you in some places but you never acknowledge that because you're not here to discuss anything.  You're here to fight and be "right" and put people down.

The rest of this is just uneducated drivel.
I made a good faith attempt to engage with you despite you being insulting and rude to me from the very start.    Try talking to people online like you'd talk to a real person in real life.  Truly, it's not so much the Rs or the Ds that are bringing our nation down.  It's people like you who exist on both sides of the aisle who are tearing conversation down and making us more polarized.   You don't need to be that way and if you think about it, it's really not very rewarding to insult people.    It doesn't really leave you feeling good inside.

You won't believe me when I tell you this, but I wish you well.   Adios!

 

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Hiding in mamma’s basement. 
Little incel that he is!! 
Um, I’m married with children, and live in my million dollar home in Southern California. My rental houses are bigger than the mobile home you rent.

You are living on disability (no brain, no dick) unemployed and no children. 

Harder to claim, easier to prove. 

Cite one address you own under your name so we can all verify it. 

Otherwise you are full of cow 💩!!

And since you very member at DART knows gif will not put up….you’re just the a-typical intellectual coward. 
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I haven't been disrespectful to you or anyone here.   You're the one  being condescending and insultingly sarcastic and yet you think I'm the one who needs an age check? 

well, yes. You do. For the exact reasons articulated snd common sensually stated.  




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No. It’s nurture (or indoctrination, as witnessed as of late with the social contagion of the transgender ideology), not nature. 
If you don't think being trans is a real thing then there's not much to talk about
Ignorant denialism isn’t an argument. 
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And since you very member at DART 
I very member? Ok genius 

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Cite one address you own under your name so we can all verify it. 
Give me your name, ssn and address first. I want to verify your identity.

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Loser troll

Loser troll. 

Loser troll. 


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Loser troll.
I’m a lot like you, only successful 


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Remember the social norms back in the good ole days when blacks had to sit at the back of the bus? Was that change bad for society?
Yes, but that literally has nothing to do with my point. 

Change is good, if there is a good reason for change, yet the only reason I've gotten so far, is "why do you care?"

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I'm not sure what the problem is with "legally" being anything on gender.  I'm a straight male but I've never thought of myself as "legally" male, have you?
Yes, I have..............because I have documents that say I am legally a man.

Now, if there are issues with transwomen being different that women qualifying for sports or something, then I'm open to treating transwomen differently.
Men will always have an advantage over women in sports, no matter how you put it. 

 I agree that trans parents shouldn't push their sexuality on kids, but then again, I feel the same way about straight parents.  Let kids be who they are, gay, straight or whatever.  Families who deal with these issues take them seriously and if there's any agenda pushing it's most often not accepting non-straight kids.  
Ok, so let's say that families don't push any agenda on their kids. 
Most likely 98% (about) of those kids will become straight, because of the biological urge to procreate with the opposite sex. 

I don't think straight parents push any agenda on their kids. They simply live how biology intended.
The LGBTQ+ community relationships does, because it goes against biological urges and processes. 

How to explain to kids' relationships:
Parents: Mommy is married to Daddy.
Kids: Why?
Parents: Because we like each other, and we are able to create a family.
Kids: How?
Parents: Through love. 

How to explain to kids, other types of relationships:
Parents: Daddy is married to Daddy.
Kids: Why?
Parents: Because we like each other. 
Kids: Why? 
Parents: .....................

They can't create a family, so how are they going to explain to their kids why daddy likes daddy. The only real answer to that would be to get into sexual detail. 

I think there are tribal problems with many groups pushing their agenda in a way that's intolerant and angry.   You see this on the Left and the Right.   But a person being true to his sexuality isn't an "ideology". 
Yes, it is. All throughout history social norms have been Men are men and women are women. 
Then all the sudden we have a social push for the opposite of that, one unlike we have ever seen before in the west. That is an ideological push. An idea. Not based in facts, but feelings. 

He's just being who he feels he is.  Who cares?  So long as it doesn't hurt others, that's fine. 
It hurts society as a whole. We gave gay people rights. They said it wouldn't be a big deal. Now we have men pretending to be women, and pedophilia is at an all time high. 

I don't agree with that overly generous assessment of conservatives.   For example, most Republicans still believe, without any evidence, that Biden didn't win the election and when we're talking about 60-70% of Republicans, that's not the "far" right.   I'll stop there being the topic is transpeople.
I think the election rules were unfairly changed, right before the election, but legally Biden won, so I will also stop there too. 

I meant transwomen, not "men"
Plot twist:
Transwomen are men. 

Are you seeing a lot of problems with transmen in men's restrooms? 
No! And you want to know why? Because women usually do not prey on men, in the same way men prey on women. 
When was the last time you heard of a woman raping a man, or sexually preying on the man to the point of the man being scared and sexually assaulted.
Almost never. 

Women going into men's restrooms is not an issue, and this just helps to prove my point. 

 If there are problems, let's create some more laws about it.
Great. What laws did you have in mind?

 It's none of your business what kind of surgery or drug therapy someone wants to do.   Wanna pierce your nose or squirt ink into your skin or take hair from your butt and stitch it into your scale... not my business.
Kids, can't drink.
Kids can't get tattoos by themselves.
Kids can't smoke.
Kids can't drive.
Kids can't consent. 

Why should a kid be allowed to get live altering surgery, that is not even necessary, and in some cases, hurtful to their physical and mental health. 

For adults, I'm kind of divided on that.
I agree that if you want to screw up your body, then you should be able to. 
On the other hand, I also think that if you're going to act like a child, then you should have privileges taken away from you, like a child. 

As for kids, I agree it needs to be taken slow and maybe more controls need to be added.
I don't agree with that. It should be illegal. 
Kids have gotten along just fine without it for thousands of years, and the populating hasn't decreased because of it. 

 In particular there needs to be some kind of psychological test and counseling to help children and their parents find the best option.
You know what helps with gender dysphoria? Therapy. Why is no one talking about this? It's cheaper. No surgery is required and is way safer. 

However, this hysteria that woke parents are forcing kids to be trans is a bit silly.

And many more examples like it. 
Fact is that children especially young children don't even know that Santa clause doesn't exist. Why do you think they know what gender they are? 

 I don't think transwomen should be participating in women's sports because of the unfair advantage.
Based.

I'm not sure how you feel kids are being hurt.
Again: 
  I think the really important thing is for both Ds and Rs to stop politicizing this issue because THAT really hurts kids.  
You know what I think?
Schools shouldn't push any kind of agenda, whether it be religious or political. 
School should educate kids, not indoctrinate them. 

Take the fact that I am religious in saying this. 

Again, I don't get why you think it's an "ideology"
Read the back and forth between me and oromagi.

It's part of nature
It is most definitely not. I do not know where you read that, but that is entirely false. 
Ever heard of survival of the fittest, and how unneeded things to survive will not survive? 
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Change is good, if there is a good reason for change, yet the only reason I've gotten so far, is "why do you care?"
Trans people are humans who are entitled to be happy like everyone else.

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True. But they still can't infringe upon my, and others' rights. 
Also, I am allowed to disagree with them.
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Trans people are humans who are entitled to be happy like everyone else.
Sure. Just like schizophrenics in their entitled  delusional minds. They (0.6%) just don’t get to “deserve” special rights over the 95% of normal people nature intended. 

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That's correct, but I extend this nationalism to other races, too. It's okay to be Black. Black people should have their own spaces. It's okay to be a Black nationalist
That’s very big of you. Which countries do you think would be appropriate to be designated “Black people only”

Should the United States let someone like you into our country?
I think Africa should be Black people only. Historical, native ancestry is a good standard for land ownership.

I also think the United States should split the union. I think part of the U.S. should be given to Blacks only. 

I think the White only parts of the U.S. should let me in, but this whole thing isn't really about me individually. It's about separating the U.S. into safer, calmer segments that don't want to kill each other.

Hitler tried giving Jews money to leave Germany
Interesting, what race to you believe German Jews to be?
Jewish.

all the human races are perfectly the same?
By perfectly the same what do you mean? They all have the same skin color, eye color and hair color?
Those and also the genetics that are below the skin. Do you think cranial shapes cannot be divided racially? Do you think political opinions on freedom of speech are random across the races?

So, do you think all human races are perfectly the same?

So majority/non-marginalized groups do or do not have the "civil right" to be segregated if they want to be?
They do not, although I would love to exclude women from my golf club. They play so slow.
So why don't they have that civil right?