TRUMP INDICTED!

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No, a ton of people know there is no sane theory of crime here.
Bullshit. If there was no crime how did Michael Cohen go to jail? I didn’t hear you say his conviction was wrong.
Double_R spoke of how fascists take over a country. I cannot make this next sentence large enough:

When the government extorting guilty pleas (and further cooperation) is the only evidence a people need to believe there is a crime, that is when the fascist state can accelerate its growth by suppression of political opposition.

Trump left the state and moved to Florida. Under New York law that stopped the clock on the statute of limitations.
If they couldn't charge him because they couldn't extradite him what's happening right now?
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When the government extorting guilty pleas (and further cooperation) is the only evidence a people need to believe there is a crime, that is when the fascist state can accelerate its growth by suppression of political opposition.
That’s exactly what Giuliani did to take down the MOB in New York. He used low level mobsters’ testimony to take down the MOB bosses.

Was that fascism? You are an idiot. I can’t say that enough.

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If they couldn't charge him because they couldn't extradite him what's happening right now?
It has nothing to do with being able to extradite. The law in New York is the clock stops if you leave the state.

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[IwantRooseveltagain] That’s exactly what Giuliani did to take down the MOB in New York. He used low level mobsters’ testimony to take down the MOB bosses.

Was that fascism? You are an idiot. I can’t say that enough.
No, the fascism is you believing that a guilty plea is proof of guilt.

... and for the record I have concluded plea deals are immoral and a dangerous temptation to public corruption.


If they couldn't charge him because they couldn't extradite him what's happening right now?
[IwantRooseveltagain] It has nothing to do with being able to extradite. The law in New York is the clock stops if you leave the state.
Ready for an appeal to authority? Here it comes:

That's not what Alan Dershowitz says, are you a legendary lawyer?

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No, the fascism is you believing that a guilty plea is proof of guilt.
Oh that’s beautiful. Can I quote you on that?

and for the record I have concluded plea deals are immoral and a dangerous temptation to public corruption.
well that’s because you are a moron.

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That's not what I said. I was calling out the fact that Trump has some tendencies that happen to align in parts with existing DC politicians.
Then your point is as usual, entirely irrelevant to the comment you replied to
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That's not what Alan Dershowitz says, are you a legendary lawyer?
Dershowitz is a wack job who drove his ex-wife to suicide and spent time on Jeffrey Epstein’s child molesting island.

Even still, show me were Dershowitz said this case is effected by extradition procedures 

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[IwantRooseveltagain] Can I quote you on that?
Always


[IwantRooseveltagain] Dershowitz is a wack job who drove his ex-wife to suicide and spent time on Jeffrey Epstein’s child molesting island.
Behold @Double_R and @oromagi, the shape and form of appeals to authority. This is always where it ends.


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Then your point is as usual, entirely irrelevant to the comment you replied to
You're projecting. Address it, or move on.

You just didn't like to hear the fact that most politicians are guilty of parts of your "fascist dictator list"
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the fascism is you believing that a guilty plea is proof of guilt.
Lol

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You never fail to find your double standards.
I literally just explained how the two things are different.

Do you know what a double standard is?

Enemy of the people, not the state.
Correct. Are you correcting it because you wanted the gotcha, or do you think there is a meaningful point here?

Not free press, propaganda arm of the deep state.
We're talking about Trump and fascism. His actual words are what's at issue, not the fantasy concoction you invented in its place.

Not disinformation, dissenting information.
I believe Kellyann Conway referred to it as 'alternative facts'.

The former, as described, is a dialog about what should be allowed in our society.
The former is sedition against the constitution.
Please provide one example of any prominent left wing figure promoting sedition against the constitution. I'll wait.

That had nothing to do with false flags, targeted censorship, and organized propaganda under the guise of press I'm sure.
Usual right wing gibberish uttered to deflect from the post which described in detail how Trump is a fascist.

Every single one of these things you mention are BS right wing contortions of reality. None of them happened, except the last one which we now call Fox News.

No Benito Mussolini is, and the differences are stark. Mussolini
Mussolini is not the only fascist, just because you think you can find a difference between him and Trump does not mean Trump is not a fascist. That's logic 101.

I would love to hear you come up with one meaningful difference here though...

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You just didn't like to hear the fact that most politicians are guilty of parts of your "fascist dictator list"
What I hate is dealing with your constant strawmanning and caricaturing.

At no point was I nor have I ever suggested that most politicians wouldn't qualify in some vague way on parts of the checklist. When we talk about concepts like fascism we're talking about a spectrum, it's not all black and white as people liked yourself love to portray when convenient.

My point was not 'these points apply to Trump and only Trump' which is what you were replying to. My point was that Trump fits every single one of these traits in the extreme.

If you really don't think there's a difference between those two things I can't help you.
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If you really don't think there's a difference between those two things I can't help you.
No no I get it, you agreed (I guess) that your "fascist dictator list" applied in parts to existing DC politicians. 
What I am saying is that they are just as much a potential "fascist dictator" as the hypothetical Trump construction you made since we are only discussing "hypothetical" dictators.

It's all subjective.

Again, I find it really weird that you are taking known existing traits of current politicians, applying them to Trump, then claiming the "complete puzzle" of bad traits is somehow so much worse than the collection of bad traits endemic to the hundreds of bad politicians in DC. It's a weird thing to focus on. You are admitting DC is fucked up similar to how Trump is fucked up, and that's an acceptable alternative? I say it's marginally better to the point it doesn't really matter.
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Enemy of the people, not the state.
Correct. Are you correcting it because you wanted the gotcha, or do you think there is a meaningful point here?
Yes, it is one of the essential characteristics of fascism to conflate the people and the state.

You are the one doing it, not Trump.
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I totally get why the deep state would project their bad traits onto Trump, but why would an average person do that? Unless it's some blind loyalty test to the establishment politicians? I don't get it.
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Yes, it is one of the essential characteristics of fascism to conflate the people and the state.
No, it's not. The essential characteristic here is conflating the individual with the state.

This is really basic stuff.

You are the one doing it, not Trump.
No genius, I misquoted Trump's attack line, an error that would have been obvious to anyone actually listening to the point.
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@Double_R
Yes, it is one of the essential characteristics of fascism to conflate the people and the state.
No, it's not. The essential characteristic here is conflating the individual with the state.

This is really basic stuff.
You've been taught bad history. That's autocracy and it has many flavors, but fascism isn't one of them. I'd educate you but I don't believe you would care. Much like the Ukraine stuff, find someone to vouch interest if you want more.

You are the one doing it, not Trump.
No genius, I misquoted Trump's attack line, an error that would have been obvious to anyone actually listening to the point.
Freudian slip then.
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I'm unsure what your question means.
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@Greyparrot
What I am saying is that they are just as much a potential "fascist dictator" as the hypothetical Trump construction you made since we are only discussing "hypothetical" dictators.
Listing basic qualities that embody a conceptual definition, and then comparing those qualities to an individual to see if that individual is a match is one of the most basic and routine ways we go about determining whether the definition accurately describes the individual. This is what psychologists for example do to determine if someone has a diagnosable condition.

One would think this is really simple and shouldn't need explanation. Claiming that any politician has just as much potential to be a fascist dictator as Trump because they vaguely meet some of the checklist which describes him perfectly is every bit as absurd as arguing someone has just as much potential to be as bad as Ted Bundy because they like women.

Again, I find it really weird that you are taking known existing traits of current politicians, applying them to Trump, then claiming the "complete puzzle" of bad traits is somehow so much worse than the collection of bad traits endemic to the hundreds of bad politicians in DC.
Thinking off the top of my head, there is not a single politician in DC that meets any single one of the traits I listed to the degree of Trump, with the exception being some of the ones trying to be the next Trump.

The idea that it's "weird" to think of Trump as so much worse because he leads the pack in every single one of these traits is patently absurd.

How on earth do you go about determining whether someone meets a definition? Do you not understand the idea that some people fit a concept better than others? Is this really that complicated to you?
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No, it's not. The essential characteristic here is conflating the individual with the state.

This is really basic stuff.
You've been taught bad history. That's autocracy and it has many flavors, but fascism isn't one of them. I'd educate you but I don't believe you would care.
So you are sitting here arguing with me about fascism without even understanding what it is. I've noticed this seems to be a pattern with you.

Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Autocracy is a form of government. Fascism is a philosophy that leads to autocracy in its most unjust form.

This is why fascists conflate the individual with the state, because in their minds they are one in the same. Conflating the people with the state is not something they do, because no fascist or aspiring dictator thinks of the people as being the entity governing their society. That would be completely antithetical to everything they are trying to achieve.
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I hope he goes to jail and becomes radicalized. Clearly this culture war won't end until somebody starts giving the left-tribe a taste of their own medicine. I'm talking Lincoln level shit.

I.e you think we need presidential assassination. Kennedy was last one and Martin Luther King falls directly afterword, then Bobby Kennedy etc.  All conservative whacko's is fair assumption.

Why you advocate violence so much? Something must have happen to you as a child.

Trumpet has and his Trumpeteers have already resulted in enough violence. We dont ceertainly dont need you --a Trumpeteer voter I presume-- or others to keep using DArt fourm{ or other } pushing for more violence in USA. You need a chill pill.
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That’s exactly what Giuliani did to take down the MOB in New York. He used low level mobsters’ testimony to take down the MOB bosses.
Thank you IRoose.  It is very common to use crimminals testimony in court of law.

Of course immoral Trumpeteers will argue in immoral Trumpets defense. No Suprises there. Birds of immorality stick together.
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@PREZ-HILTON
IRoose...Which dictators has Biden cozied up to
PRes-Hil...Obama
Pres-hilt, how your nonsense ever got voted in as president of DArt  1st 2nd, 3rd etc set of phenomena for a general lack-of-moral-integrity here at DArt.
I could attach alot of labels _____?_____, to no avail. Youve obviously never lived under a true dictator.  You could learn alot and maybe even change your tune if you did
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@Double_R
Autocracy is a form of government. Fascism is a philosophy
There, you educated yourself. Still not quite right, but better.

Conflating the people with the state is not something they do
Reading comprehension test, does this associate the state closer to the people or the autocrat (individual):

The State guarantees the internal and
external safety of the country, but it also
safeguards and transmits the spirit of the
people, elaborated down the ages in its
language, its customs, its faith. The State
is not only the present; it is also the
past and above all the future.
Transcending the individual’s brief spell of
life, the State stands for the immanent
conscience of the nation. The forms in
which it finds expression change, but the
need for it remains. The State educates the
citizens to civism, makes them aware of
their mission, urges them to unity; its
justice harmonizes their divergent
interests; it transmits to future generations
the conquests of the mind in the fields of
science, art, law, human solidarity; it
leads men up from primitive tribal life to
that highest manifestation of human
power, imperial rule. The State hands
down to future generations the memory of
those who laid down their lives to ensure
its safety or to obey its laws; it sets up as
examples and records for future ages the
names of the captains who enlarged its
territory and of the men of genius who
have made it famous. Whenever respect for
the State declines and the disintegrating
and centrifugal tendencies of individuals
and groups prevail, nations are headed for
decay.

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The 34 count indictment was a weak ass nothing-burger! 
Bragg will likely face charges for disbarment for using a convicted liar as the core of the basis of the charges; charges for which even the DOJ and FEC turned down, among others.


All this political circus shit show is doing is guaranteeing Trump the 2024 election. 

Even the liberal media isn’t buying the crap Bragg is peddling. 


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Wow…shit is getting deep. 

Biden personally signed off on the raid at Mar-a-Lago.
Biden sent Matthew Colangelo to work for Bragg, carrying the crap used by Bragg to reignite dead charges against Trump. 
This case is clearly a political witch-hunt against a political opponent in the next election.
Anyone who says otherwise is a flaming denialist. An ignorant denialist. 
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First…screw your genetic fallacy attempt to raise the 🤚 to the following:


Fact is, Jesse Waters blew this indictment BS out of the water. 
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Don't forget the ties Bragg has with George Soros, who is the sponsor of the world woke community.
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Bragg will likely face charges for disbarment for using a convicted liar as the core of the basis of the charges; charges for which even the DOJ and FEC turned down, among others.
Do you understand that Trump could not be charged while President? Are you stupid? They did charge Michael Cohen for the crime in a timely manner.
Should they have charged Trump a few weeks after J6 or was it easier to just let it go?

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Biden personally signed off on the raid at Mar-a-Lago.
That’s a lie. “Nothing matters unless it can be proven”