TRUMP INDICTED!

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The ones who told the truth... well if that's condoning then some definitely did condone.
No. They are liars and you are an idiot.

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That's why would-be dictators like Trump should be opposed. He exploited the cracks in our system and will probably get away with it, leaving the door open for someone smarter, like DiSantis, to smash the system altogether.
You are the victim of propaganda. Whatever Trump's failings and mistakes the only reason you think that is because of a concerted campaign to destroy him due to the threat he posed to the dominant corruption of the system.
Let's see...
1. Calls the free press "the enemy of the people"... Check
2. Fills top positions in our government based on loyalty over competence... Check
3. Sells himself to his supporters by portraying himself as the big tough guy who will protect them... Check
4. Explicitly advocates for the jailing of his political opponents... Check
5. Often conflates any criticism against himself with hatred for the country... Check
6. Incites his supporters to take up arms of he doesn't get the results he wants... Check
7. Aligns himself with every dictator on earth while alienating himself and the country from our Democratic allies... Check
8. Claims any election he didn't win is rigged... Check

There's more, but this is just off the top of my head.

To claim concluding anything other than 'Trump wants to be a fascist dictator' plainly ignores reality.
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1. Calls the free press "the enemy of the people"... Check
The "free press" censors the POTUS, circulates unfounded conspiracy theories, and is entirely biased towards the interests of super-corporate government intersection, so they're actually a propaganda machine for a fascist parasite living in our supposedly free republics = enemy of the people, not "free press" UNCHECK

2. Fills top positions in our government based on loyalty over competence... Check
If only he had there would be no impeachments, no investigations, and no DOJ violation of the 1st amendment through social media puppeting. UNCHECK

3. Sells himself to his supporters by portraying himself as the big tough guy who will protect them... Check
Nothing more facist than that I guess? Oh wait there is, actually implementing fascist policies like using the apparatus of the state to destroy all hint of credible dissent.

4. Explicitly advocates for the jailing of his political opponents... Check
I thought no one was above the law? UNCHECK

5. Often conflates any criticism against himself with hatred for the country... Check
Haven't seen that.

6. Incites his supporters to take up arms of he doesn't get the results he wants... Check
I remember when Mussolini famously said "I want you to peacefully and patriotically protest the fact that Greece isn't asking to join our empire." You got nothing. UNCHECK

7. Aligns himself with every dictator on earth while alienating himself and the country from our Democratic allies... Check
Examples include... the brexit movement of the UK. Yep that wretched dictator Nigel Farage... oh wait... it was a democratic uprising unless you're denying referendums are accurate.

8. Claims any election he didn't win is rigged... Check
Fascists rig elections, they don't complain about elections being rigged and demand security and auditability. UNCHECK


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That list can apply in parts to a lot of politicians in DC.

Some of the dictators Biden has cozied up to defies explanation.
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Hunter has the explanation in his bank account.
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That list can apply in parts to a lot of politicians in DC.
Some of the dictators Biden has cozied up to defies explanation.
bullshit. You are a liar. But then again your are a conservative and lying is a fundamental characteristic of being a conservative.

Name 5 politicians who have done 3 of these things on the list.
Which dictators has Biden cozied up to?
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Which dictators has Biden cozied up to
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What a moron. 

Gee, you’re don’t engage pledge last a whole 3 days!

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lol, you got me

Guess you can sell Hunter paintings in Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Turkey.
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Ah oh sheezzzia! There are only a handful of events I payed closer attention to, and in person witnesses always help paint the picture. Thanks. 
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so they shifted blame instead of taking pride. How pitiful
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The "free press" censors the POTUS, circulates unfounded conspiracy theories, and is entirely biased towards the interests of super-corporate government intersection, so they're actually a propaganda machine for a fascist parasite living in our supposedly free republics = enemy of the people, not "free press" UNCHECK
The fact that you agree with it does not change the fact that this is straight out of every dictators checklist.

Every left wing politician is well aware of how Fox News is objectively a propaganda outlet, yet you don't hear this kind of language coming from any of them. That's the difference between a fascist vs someone who's not.

If only he had there would be no impeachments, no investigations, and no DOJ violation of the 1st amendment through social media puppeting. UNCHECK
The president doesn't appoint Congress genius.

He also doesn't appoint every individual in our government. The loyalty requirement can only go so far till you need people with basic experience in the jobs they were hired for. But Trump was starting to figure this out towards the end, that's why he's literally campaigning on granting himself the power to fire anyone in the government he wants directly. So much for your BS argument here.

Nothing more facist than that I guess? Oh wait there is, actually implementing fascist policies like using the apparatus of the state to destroy all hint of credible dissent.
Meaningless drivel. You have absolutely no evidence anyone has done this, and even if you did  that has nothing to do with whether Trump meets the criteria. It is just another attempt to deflect.

I thought no one was above the law? UNCHECK
Your deflection has nothing to do with the conversation.

The law means we all get due process, so any politician who actually respects the rule of law is careful to tell their supporters that anyone belongs in jail. Trump is not, he uses his own fact free evidence free opinion as a rally applause line. That's what fascism looks like.

Haven't seen that.
You can't seriously be this ignorant.

Name one time Trump ever regarded his political opposition as well meaning people who disagreed with him.

I remember when Mussolini famously said "I want you to peacefully and patriotically protest the fact that Greece isn't asking to join our empire." You got nothing. UNCHECK
WTF are you talking about?

We're talking about Trump. Focus.

Examples include... the brexit movement of the UK. Yep that wretched dictator Nigel Farage... oh wait... it was a democratic uprising unless you're denying referendums are accurate.
Yet again has absolutely nothing to do with the point.

Fascists rig elections, they don't complain about elections being rigged and demand security and auditability. UNCHECK
The claim being argued here is whether Trump is a wannabe dictator. No one is claiming he is an actual dictator.

When you have to reach this far you know you have no argument.
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The claim being argued here is whether Trump is a wannabe dictator. No one is claiming he is an actual dictator.
The hypothetical that won't ever be allowed to go away....
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The fact that you responded with an attack on a typo is quite revealing...you sit up there on your high-horse but just because you sneeringly look down on people doesn't mean they're looking up to you. 
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As a staunch Nationalist Capitalist Constitutional Conservative Citizen of the USA and a zealot LaVeyan Satanist, acknowledging my opinion hasn't be requested and probably isn't wanted, I wonder what you'd (and this open to all)  make of the cosmology surroumding the wider historical Church of Satan, The Satanic Bible and Satanic Scriptures (LaVey and Gilmore) and how that fits in with the politics? 

I posit that my religion informs My ethics and My ethics informs My politics.
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Hold on... here's a damned good whataboutism: sanctuary cities.

If nobody is Above the law, certainly nobody is Below the law, either. It follows, then, that Sanctuary Cities are a blaring paradox to that statement.



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Every left wing politician is well aware of how Fox News is objectively a propaganda outlet, yet you don't hear this kind of language coming from any of them. That's the difference between a fascist vs someone who's not.
Sure I do. I'm constantly bombarded by clips of left-tribers saying person A, B, and C should be censored by state power because of "disinformation" this or absurd claim of "incitement" that.

Trump calls them what they are without calling for the violation of the 1st amendment.

Left-tribe more fascist than Trump on this one.
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Yep.

The new Orange Man Comedy Circus Spectacular started last night on British T.V.

Orange Clown as funny as ever.

Wherrrrrrrrrrre's Stormy.

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That list can apply in parts to a lot of politicians in DC.

Some of the dictators Biden has cozied up to defies explanation.
So what? I'm not calling out the fact that Trump has some tenancies that happen to align with dictators, I'm calling it the fact that he is wannabe dictator in every way.

And your false equivalence with Biden is nonsense. Biden has never touted his relationship with these people bragging about how well they get along, praised them for being such strong leaders, mused publicly about how we should try their tactics here, or boasted about how they wrote each other love letters.

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Hold on... here's a damned good whataboutism: sanctuary cities.

If nobody is Above the law, certainly nobody is Below the law, either. It follows, then, that Sanctuary Cities are a blaring paradox to that statement.
It would help if you quoted my statement so I know what you are talking about.

I don't know how sanctuary cities has anything to do with anything I've argued, but they are not the afront to law and order right wing propagandists love to pretend they are. The reason many cities do not turn illegals over to the federal government is because it proves to be detrimental to police investigations. Illegals won't talk to the police of they know they will be deported as a result.
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Every left wing politician is well aware of how Fox News is objectively a propaganda outlet, yet you don't hear this kind of language coming from any of them. That's the difference between a fascist vs someone who's not.
Sure I do. I'm constantly bombarded by clips of left-tribers saying person A, B, and C should be censored by state power because of "disinformation" this or absurd claim of "incitement" that.

Trump calls them what they are without calling for the violation of the 1st amendment.
Expressing an opinion that person A, B, or C shouldn't have the right to spread disinformation is not fascism.

Attacking the free press as a whole as being enemies of the state... is.

The former, as described, is a dialog about what should be allowed in our society. The latter is the opposite of that. It's a thought terminating cliche, designed to stop all rational dialog and instead appeal to the base instincts of it's audience by invoking fear and anger against it's target. That's the very essence of fascism. That's exactly how people like Hitler came into power.

You're not going to convince an entire population that a segment of them need to be exterminated based on their genes, or that the best form of government is to hand everything over to you alone... with logic. You do it by playing into people's fears and emotions. This is what Trump does, and it's why his supporters follow him down the rabbit hole of total absurdity.

Have you ever heard the guy engage in a good faith rational examination of his views or proposals? Have you ever heard the guy utter a deep coherent thought? No. It's why he gives his opponents nick names and calls them losers rather than dealing with the merits of their arguments. He's the prime example of a fascist.
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So what? I'm not calling out the fact that Trump has some tenancies that happen to align with dictators,

That's not what I said. I was calling out the fact that Trump has some tendencies that happen to align in parts with existing DC politicians.
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As a staunch Nationalist Capitalist Constitutional Conservative Citizen of the USA and a zealot LaVeyan Satanist
OMG, are you Don Jr. ?
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He might of done the crimes. That is a known fact, and no one is claiming he didn't (not a lot of people anyways). 
But the crime he did allegedly commit was nothing more than a misdemeanor, and the place where the crime took place (New York) does not charge for misdemeanors after about 2 years. The crime took place 6 years ago.

This case if obviously targeting Trump. Don't be surprised when conservatives start to make cases for democrats along the same stupid lines. 
The democrat's have made a mistake in indicting Trump for a couple of reasons.

1. After this is all over, Trump will look like the victim and use it to his advantage. 
2. The democrat's have now opened the door for making cases on the flimsiest of charges. There are now a lot of democrats that could be subject to that (including Joe Biden).


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Expressing an opinion that person A, B, or C shouldn't have the right to spread disinformation is not fascism.
You never fail to find your double standards.

Attacking the free press as a whole as being enemies of the state... is.
rofl, you just keep trying to creep along. Shift one word at a time. Pretend as if the facts don't matter, but I'm afraid they do and I'm afraid I'll need to be drugged before I don't catch you at it.

Enemy of the people, not the state.

Not free press, propaganda arm of the deep state.

Not disinformation, dissenting information.

The former, as described, is a dialog about what should be allowed in our society. The latter is the opposite of that.
The former is sedition against the constitution. The latter is an identification of malice and untrustworthy. The end.

That's the very essence of fascism. That's exactly how people like Hitler came into power.
That had nothing to do with false flags, targeted censorship, and organized propaganda under the guise of press I'm sure.

He's the prime example of a fascist.
No Benito Mussolini is, and the differences are stark. Mussolini would have been proud of our military industrial complex though.
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He might of done the crimes. That is a known fact, and no one is claiming he didn't (not a lot of people anyways). 
No, a ton of people know there is no sane theory of crime here.

The charges are incoherent. They should never have been brought as a matter of law and any judge who saw the claim should have sought the disbarment of the prosecutor.

There are now a lot of democrats that could be subject to that (including Joe Biden).
There are actual crimes to charge Biden with.
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No, a ton of people know there is no sane theory of crime here.
Bullshit. If there was no crime how did Michael Cohen go to jail? I didn’t hear you say his conviction was wrong.

The charges are incoherent. They should never have been brought as a matter of law and any judge who saw the claim should have sought the disbarment of the prosecutor.
That’s nonsense 


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There are actual crimes to charge Biden with.
Oh really? Such as?

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Not disinformationdissenting information.
A distinction without a difference in MAGA World

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But the crime he did allegedly commit was nothing more than a misdemeanor, and the place where the crime took place (New York) does not charge for misdemeanors after about 2 years. The crime took place 6 years ago.
You are still not getting the circumstances that allow New York to prosecute this case.

Trump left the state to occupy the White House and eventually moved to Florida. Under New York law that stopped the clock on the statute of limitations.

“New York law does identify a couple of ways to stop the statute of limitations clock. If the defendant was continuously outside New York state”