Should everyone follow the rules of their religion or leave the religion?

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You can picture  Joseph Smith thinking . 
" There aint no way they are gonna fall for this crap again." 
So he "Spruced"  it up a little . 
Anddddddddd  he got em.  
Very well played Mr Smith  .    You may Now collect 10 cents from every player. every week 
Thats fucking cash  $$$$$$$$ right there.  
Folding cash 

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@TheUnderdog
Q. Why does religion need rules.

A. Because cleverer people need to make up rules.

Not because of a GOD, but as tool of social control, subjugation, power and benefit.

Which is why peasants lived in squalor, and gave 10% of their crops to greedy Bishops.

And Bishops lived in Abbeys and relative luxury, and f**ked any young peasant that moved.
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Again .
Be it real, Be it false. 
It all appears the same. 


We should be gobsmacked that fake religions guessed then continued to use a " style " if you will ( Abrahamic ) 
As the one and only REAL , TRUE God  did. 
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A Religious group ,  makes a Ponzie scheme look so fucking amateur.. 

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Would you open a email if it appeared to have religious content in it. ? 
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Nope,

Simply because  I don't open strange emails.

Not even if it was from King Charles 111 of Australia.
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You no me zed. 
If i created a false religion It would be for the bitches. 
Then I'd soon tire of that. 
And then i would ever so lightly start to incress the membership fees.
And find like excursion fees. And fixed fees. 
Then get peoples to run this . Because it gets to much work 

So  i go back to forcing myself on the best looking women in the group.   ( this is now a fixture ) 

Then id start bossing people ( men )  around .
Only , i mean  Especially men with sexy wives, 
They will unfortunately have tp start  working  3 or 4 days away from my clubhouse.

And then concentrate on the money side . 

Then i probably might start my formation into a actual God . 
Thus increasing all avinues of income. 

Then right when i think i am just about to die or get busted. 
I will have a big celebration . 
Then to give something back , it will be .
Free Coolaid for all .  




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You would be a tricky one to catch 

Zed .
You wouldn't say no to a tall  refreshing plastic cup of  ice cold coolaid would you? 
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Not meaning to be rude Zed but , you would be one of the most crappie members of any church. 
Oh that didn't come out right. 

What i am saying is .
No one 
Not one single religion would ever want a member like you.

It would be frivolous dealing with you. 




So yeah .   
You are welcome zed .   
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Although the sentiment sounds fair, who determines what the rules of the religion are? 
Your interpretation of your religion.  People have all sorts of ways they interpret the Bible because the Bible contradicts its self.  If you’re Christian, you live by your interpretation of the Bible, and if that means going kosher because Jesus never denounced it, you do that.  I think Christians should go kosher because their religion tells them too and no Bible verse undid kosher laws.
It's not that difficult to follow your interpretation of your religion's rules.
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@Castin
You might be the 3rd  worse person on site that you want in your religious.group. 

Put nicer
Any religious group would be WAY worse of having to deal with you.  
Security 
Security.  
Get rid of him.

Ill Explain to the others how all you want is  homosexual sex 
24/7. 



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Stephen knocks on your church door . 
Everyone quite shhhhhh. 

The whole congregation dare not make a sound . 

Knock, knoc,  knock.

He finally goes away. 

 




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You might be the 3rd  worse person on site that you want in your religious.group. 

Put nicer
Any religious group would be WAY worse of having to deal with you.  
Security 
Security.  
Get rid of him.

Ill Explain to the others how all you want is  homosexual sex 
24/7. 
The only thing I want 24/7 is money and peanut butter fudge no-bake cookies. I mean sure, I'd fuck Margot Robbie, but 24/7? That's ridiculous.

And I demand to know who is above me as 1st and 2nd worst in this hypothetical religious group and how they beat me out in the leaderboard of Bad Religiosity.
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#37

False religion?

Sounds exactly like religion to me.

Moderately tall stories and baloney will do, and then any old bullshit once you've got the masses hooked.


#38

A bottle of chilled IPA might keep me attentive for however long it takes me to drink it.

And  of course, it all depends upon how entertaining you make it.

Though I would leave my wallet at home.

Golden rule. If you haven't got it, you can't be tempted to spend it.


#39

See above.


A nice buffet would also be good.

And a few exotic dancers.

Though next Sunday I will be out on my bike, sorry.
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Stephen FULL STOP
His the epitome of peoples you don't want in ya religious group.

If somehow 3 maybe 2 stephens  got  let lose in a religious group , why it game over .  Only like a local church.

Ill explain in more detail  later  , but in short. 

He just ummmm, ozez doubt.
He asks his staight foward questions in such a calm manner. 
Ya punch him,   Like you call him    ( a bible illiterate fool )   and you can all most sense him taking it in stride. 
And he doesn't studer 
But in every like "confrontation" ,  with any other  ,  it appears he knows more.  
More on the this here subject,  religious forum. 


To the the Theists he is a (  anti-theist ) 
He aint no anti anything.
It just looks
It just looks like stephen is asking a couple of questions.  
GOD himself  loaths him. 


( I believe. ) 
He knows the most I  on the subject that is . Religious forum.
Andd get this , from both mother fucking sides 

Does it appear to you that he is the most knowledgeable on this here subject. 


Then Zed #2. 

3 zeds will fuck a avrage gathering in week maybe 2 tops 

The subject that is religious forum is ( a little philosophyish ) 
You can say unclaimabul over the top things . 

Sooòooooooo. Zed on the other hand isnt about the gooledygook. 
I feel , He pulls allll into line .  And all he is doing is 
Telling it like it is. .   His intellectual. And ever so logical. 

Does he not appear to you  to be ( the most smartest person on this site ? ) 
Who do you think might be smarter ?    Is Not a question 

Its  zed . 
Because his the smartest .
You'd turn to him


Your
#3  castin
because if them two like did each other. 
They would make a baby,
and that little Bay Bay Nit sac  would be.
Well.  
It would be a well rounded  you . 

Zed and the Stepping hen, could  beat the combined rest of us in ummmmm. 
correctness. 


They post readabull , sensible retorts . 
I use this  So i can speak difficult to make out  shit . And i thank them for that. 

They fukin run the division. 


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MELCHARAZ,

YOUR PATHETIC UNGODLY AND STUPID QUOTE AGAIN:  "no christian believes in christianity, they believe in Christ." 

HELLO? Christianity is Jesus's inspired words as God within the Bible, you Bible ignorant fool!  Therefore, even Bible inept pseudo-christians like YOU have to believe in Christianity through the Bible that Jesus' inspired words wrote within the scriptures!  GET IT?

"And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

Jesus H. Christ, you get more "Bible Dumber®️" in every post you make!


NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE "MELCHARAZ" THAT SLAPS JESUS IN THE FACE REGARDING HIS FAITH OF CHRISTIANITY, WILL BE ... ?


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I have got to train a chat GPT on you and use it as a cyber weapon.
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who are you talking to? me? i would hope my words wouldnt be weaponized. at least, not to bring harm to people.


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BrotherD, such a caricature. If social media was swamped with an AI trained on his responses it would basically be an atheist factory. Maybe that is what he is already...
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who?
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@Castin
It's not that difficult to follow your interpretation of your religion's rules.
It's pretty hard.  Everytime you find out something your doing violates part of your religion, you either have to defend it with a bible verse of your own or stop that activity.  If the bible says to kill people who convert people to outside religions:

“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.”(Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

This is from the new testament.  Christians need to obey this or leave religion.  If the state comes and gives them life in jail for murder, God will reward them with more rewards in heaven.  If the state executes them for murder, God will reward the martyrs.

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Stephen knocks on your church door .   Everyone quite shhhhhh.   The whole congregation dare not make a sound . 

Knock, knoc,  knock.

He finally goes away. 
Don't be so sure Deb, lad.


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Although the sentiment sounds fair, who determines what the rules of the religion are? 
Your interpretation of your religion.  People have all sorts of ways they interpret the Bible because the Bible contradicts its self.  If you’re Christian, you live by your interpretation of the Bible, and if that means going kosher because Jesus never denounced it, you do that.  I think Christians should go kosher because their religion tells them too and no Bible verse undid kosher laws.
If it's going to be subjective interpretation, then people do as they want - and as they do now. Stay or leave. It's up to them whether they have broken the rules or not. 


And who would determine the rules of Atheism? Or any other religion.
Atheism has no rules; do whatever you want as long as your not harming anybody else.
Again. you seem to have shot yourself in your own foot. 
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If it's going to be subjective interpretation, then people do as they want - and as they do now. Stay or leave. It's up to them whether they have broken the rules or not. 
Not sure about that.  For instance, the bible says to go kosher and Jesus never un does it.  So should Christains then only eat kosher?

Again. you seem to have shot yourself in your own foot. 
How so?
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If it's going to be subjective interpretation, then people do as they want - and as they do now. Stay or leave. It's up to them whether they have broken the rules or not. 
Not sure about that.  For instance, the bible says to go kosher and Jesus never un does it.  So should Christains then only eat kosher?

Again. you seem to have shot yourself in your own foot. 
How so?

Absolutely the NT expands the OT idea.  Peter was given instructions to embrace the Gentiles into the church.   The OT - at least from Jacob was primarily about the Jews in covenant with God. Jesus came as the Messiah in the NT to expand who might be covenanted with God.  Kosher as you so boldly put it - is more than not eating Pig. It is anything that is unclean is not kosher. And not just eating it, but touching it. 

Gentiles are not kosher according to the Jew. Just like in Muslim nations, eating with the wrong hand immediately brings a faux paux. 

Jesus's entry into the world - cleansed the unclean - through his blood.  that's the story of the Cross. It meant that Gentiles if washed by Jesus through forgiveness are can be kosher, then such things as pig and sea food, and other considered unclean foods can be eaten to.  Jesus himself said - it is not what goes into the body that makes one unclean - but rather what comes out. Out of the heart, which itself is unclean.  Yet once your heart is cleansed, then all things become permissible to some extent. Not that you need to go out and intentionally sin, but that with a new heart - you will be seeking to glorify God. It is our old heart that desires to sin. Our new heart desires to do good.  

You have shot yourself in the foot, by pretty much saying - people should leave their religion if they don't follow their rules. And then say on the other hand, that each person determines their own rules.  and for Atheists - you said initially that Atheists should leave their religion - and then you say they have no rules.  What does that even mean? If they have no rules, how can they not keep them?  It seems like you are attempting to make an argument that folds back on itself. 
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Castin wrote:
And I demand to know who is above me as 1st and 2nd worst in this hypothetical religious group and how they beat me out in the leaderboard of Bad Religiosity.#43


Deb-8-a-bull wrote:
Stephen FULL STOP
His the epitome of peoples you don't want in ya religious group.#45
I do at times here, feel like a Lion in a den full of Daniels, Deb.
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@Stephen
I did take the long way of saying you would be the absolute worst religious group member on this site.
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@Stephen
Shortly after posting this i seen you aswer a post with a perfect religious angle and zed pop up with another truly brilliant just telling like it is post.  To wich you can't argue 
Then im not kidding 
Another post diff subject  you then him. 

The zed guy Hen ,
He sure is smart but hey ? 
He says things like he doesn't even need to think about it. 

Hold the fucking phone. 
People  that have that " next level of smarts" as you two seem to do are usually.  
Some type of 
Rude , crude obnoxious full time pigs .  Brother D like esk , assertive , fucking annoying know it al SOB

You two however are the finest cool headed never rant , i cant spell curtios ,  Level headed. 
Fine arsed gentleman. 
Top man material. 

What i am saying is you guys are the complete opposite.
You two are the nicest guys on site and the smartest. 

' Alarm triggerd  '  that actually happened 3 mins ago. 

The milks sour.
And we alllll know that if the milk sour. 
We aint the kinda pussies to drink it.  

WARNING WARNING WARNING 
You two are fucking bots.
The pair of you.  
A zed bot and a stephan bot. 


You have two weeks to prove you are not bots 



You will both undertake a number of.
( tick all the boxes with traffic lightc lights test )  
Or perhaps a 
( click on the pictures with a fire hydrogen test ) 
We may even have you .. 
tick here. □  if you are not a robot. 

I'm picturing this as Bot kryptonite.



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Im picturing zed not being a bot but still struggling  trying to click all the boxes with a bus in it. 
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but still struggling  trying to click all the boxes with a bus in it.
 
Balls, Deb.  Try the bowling balls.