What Hitler Promised...........

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serious question to all here: how many of you have read Mein Kampf at least? tired of seeing this rubbish about Hitler almost 80 years on...
I'll bet you highly recommend The Turner Diaries too.
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depends on what his manifesto would be.. what party he would run for, who he could rely on to help him, who would oppose him, etc. it's a century's difference, man. and a lot of lies in between that would taint people's immediate opinion of him.

why not ask me a more specific question if you want an answer that will satisfy your curiosity.
How many swastika tatoos do you have.
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I'll bet you highly recommend The Turner Diaries too.
I wouldn't recommend it. Could put ideas in the mind of the reader or develop existing related ones.. definitely on the verge of 'dangerous'

Have you read Mein Kampf?
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How many swastika tatoos do you have.
zero, not that my tattoos would be visible here anyway, not that my body or character being a certain way is a prerequisite for being able to read Mein Kampf and understand what the book says. Anybody who can read can read Mein Kampf. It's the second highest selling book in many Middle-Eastern countries, in fact - and, to my surprise when I saw it first-hand - sometimes comes bundled with the Quran

but you'll usually find people who haven't read Mein Kampf appear to know way more about Hitler than those who have read it.
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Dude.........
A book written by Adolf Hitler is of course going to be saying good things about......Adolf Hitler.
it's not about him.
It is  his autobiographical manifesto, of course it is about him. 

but you'd know that if you'd read it
Doesn't sound like you read it.

clue's in the title
"My struggle" is a clue that it's not autobiographical, you guys crack me up.




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"My struggle" is a clue that it's not autobiographical, you guys crack me up.
fine, keep reinforcing the fact you haven't read it but act like you know what's in it or what it's about.

I didn't ask you to
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"My struggle" is a clue that it's not autobiographical, you guys crack me up.
fine, keep reinforcing the fact you haven't read it but act like you know what's in it or what it's about.

I didn't ask you to
I do know what is in it and what it's about, and so I know that you are lying about it. 

How about you cut the cutesy bullshit and be honest, answer questions instead of all the dishonest distractions that I suppose you think is clever or something.

You are selling the book, the only reason to do so is you accept it's premises, so answer these questions

Are you a White Supremacist or NeoNazi?

Do you believe the white race should be kept pure, and so should remain separate and not marry inferior races.

Do you believe Jews are a parasitic inferior race attempting to control the world?

Do you believe Jews should be eliminated through bloodshed?

Do you believe that the Aryan race is the superior master race to which all other inferior races must be subordinated?

Have you read the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and "The Turner Diaries"?
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I'll take "what's not in Mein Kampf" for 800 Alex.
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I heard Disney is making it into a movies, all Jewish cast except for Hitler, played by Cedric the Entertainer
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You mean China. The largest single shareholder of Disney is China going by the box office receipts.

Also, Disney has to take black people out of their movies for China.

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You mean China. The largest single shareholder of Disney is China going by the box office receipts.
"Going by box office reciepts" is not how you determine shareholder data.

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I do know what is in it and what it's about, and so I know that you are lying about it. 

How about you cut the cutesy bullshit and be honest, answer questions instead of all the dishonest distractions that I suppose you think is clever or something.

You are selling the book, the only reason to do so is you accept it's premises, so answer these questions

Are you a White Supremacist or NeoNazi?

Do you believe the white race should be kept pure, and so should remain separate and not marry inferior races.

Do you believe Jews are a parasitic inferior race attempting to control the world?

Do you believe Jews should be eliminated through bloodshed?

Do you believe that the Aryan race is the superior master race to which all other inferior races must be subordinated?

Have you read the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and "The Turner Diaries"?
no, no, no, no, no, yes

'superior master race'
too much Hollywood for you, pal. I doubt you've read Mein Kampf. Maybe you have but you have gobbled up too many post-war propaganda pieces after reading it.
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It most certainly wasn't the shareholders that banned images of Disney blacks.
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and everything his enemies said about him, during his life and for almost 80 years since his death, is true, is it?

p.s.: you can't tell me Mein Kampf is an invalid source of information on its author if you haven't read it. simple. you don't know what's in it. so you can't even know it shows Hitler in a good light, which you are trying to use as a reason to discard it.

weak.

(you could just read it, then maybe you'd know what you're talking about)

Not going to read a book by a guy who mass murdered millions.

Why would someone write a book, and purposefully admit they were wrong, and they purposefully killed millions?
No this is not a valid source of information when it comes to identifying what Hitler did in his life.

Would you believe a murderer, who lies and deceives in his alibi, only 2 minutes later to be shown guilty with DNA tests, camera footage, and eyewitness testimony?
No, you wouldn't. Because the actual evidence stacks up against that person.

Who ordered the killing of all of those Jews, if not Hitler?
Why were Nazi soldiers running the camps, and loyal to Hitler?
Why did Hitler kill himself, if he was truly innocent?

I can tell you that Mein Kampf is an invalid source of information, because (in court terms) the defendant wrote it. It is opinionated. It doesn't line up with actual historical evidence.

So, one is right, and the other is wrong.
Which do you believe, and why?

today? as in, is the world the same as it was a century ago? how can I answer that. really. it's like playing a game of would-you-rather
You are still dodging the question. 

Do you support what Hitler did? Do you agree with it? Would you vote for him again under the same circumstances? 
Simple questions really. 
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Oh, and to add on to what I said, the Title of Mein Kampf (My Struggle) proves my point even further.

When trying to gain power, you try to make people feel bad for you. Victimhood. 
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When trying to gain power, you try to make people feel bad for you. Victimhood. 
That only works in a pampered society. In a society wracked by poverty and  starvation, that would turn people off.
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Not going to read a book by a guy who mass murdered millions.
really? not even to learn about the "roots of hate" as ADL likes to call it

Why would someone write a book, and purposefully admit they were wrong, and they purposefully killed millions?
No this is not a valid source of information when it comes to identifying what Hitler did in his life.
yeh I said up there somewhere, or you can see it in the book's publisher page, it was written in 1923 and 1924 and published in 1925 and 1926.

Would you believe a murderer, who lies and deceives in his alibi, only 2 minutes later to be shown guilty with DNA tests, camera footage, and eyewitness testimony?
No, you wouldn't. Because the actual evidence stacks up against that person.
Would LOVE to see that level of evidence for what is alleged of Hitler. Also what Hitler lie are you referring to, please?

Who ordered the killing of all of those Jews, if not Hitler?
I'd love to know too.

Why were Nazi soldiers running the camps, and loyal to Hitler?
Are you really asking that? You kind of answered it by asking it.

Why did Hitler kill himself, if he was truly innocent?
You can research what he said before he died. He dictated to his typist a statement. How the hell am I supposed to know why somebody who is dead killed themselves unless they explicitly say so. Go research it if you'r interested

I can tell you that Mein Kampf is an invalid source of information, because (in court terms) the defendant wrote it. It is opinionated. It doesn't line up with actual historical evidence.
way to demonstrate your own ignorance. you think he wrote it during the war or something? or could travel ahead of time, write it, then go back to before the war.

So, one is right, and the other is wrong.
Which do you believe, and why?
let me put it this way: you've seen one side; I've seen two; and you can't be bothered to look at the second one. Not my fault.

You are still dodging the question. 

Do you support what Hitler did? Do you agree with it? Would you vote for him again under the same circumstances? 
Simple questions really. 
I was never asked the first two questions. I answered the last one, up there somewhere.

If you want me to answer the first two questions there you assume that I have the same understanding of what happened as you do, and I can tell that's not true. Bit of a broad question as well. Hitler did a lot of things, e.g. he created Volkswagen so people (Volk) could have affordable cars (Wagen).
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Oh, and to add on to what I said, the Title of Mein Kampf (My Struggle) proves my point even further.

When trying to gain power, you try to make people feel bad for you. Victimhood. 
YOU
HAVE
NOT
READ
IT

simple

how the fk do you think you can know what the title means
never mind how that understanding could prove anything
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That only works in a pampered society. In a society wracked by poverty and  starvation, that would turn people off.
That's a fine point.
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really? not even to learn about the "roots of hate" as ADL likes to call it
Yes. 
Have you done your homework on how history played out.
Or did you just read Mein Kampf, and deny legitimate history?

Would LOVE to see that level of evidence for what is alleged of Hitler. Also what Hitler lie are you referring to, please?
.........literally take 10th grade world history class. 
It's really not that hard. 

I'd love to know too.
Well, if you're just going to deny it, then that's on you buddy. 
Why try and defend Hitler? Out of all the horrible people you could have chosen, why Hitler?
Is it because you like Hitler? Or maybe you just like Kanye. 

Are you really asking that? You kind of answered it by asking it.
Yes..............THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT LMAO!!!!

They were loyal to Hitler, and were controlling enslavement camps, from commands from the person they were loyal to--Hitler. 

Go research it if you'r interested
You really don't want to argue about researching things. You can't even research basic middle school history. 

let me put it this way: you've seen one side; I've seen two; and you can't be bothered to look at the second one. Not my fault.
I wouldn't care if Hitler wrote the most poetic and convincing book ever. 
Still doesn't account for what legitimate history said he did. 

You have seen both sides huh?
So, you are legitimately denying actual history, and believing a book Hitler wrote, and calling us dumb for not looking at the facts?
Wow..................

If you want me to answer the first two questions there you assume that I have the same understanding of what happened as you do, and I can tell that's not true. Bit of a broad question as well. Hitler did a lot of things, e.g. he created Volkswagen so people (Volk) could have affordable cars (Wagen).
God, you can't even answer simple questions.

With the knowledge that you have of Hitler right now, would you support him back then?
YES or NO. 
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I do know what is in it and what it's about, and so I know that you are lying about it. 

How about you cut the cutesy bullshit and be honest, answer questions instead of all the dishonest distractions that I suppose you think is clever or something.

You are selling the book, the only reason to do so is you accept it's premises, so answer these questions

Are you a White Supremacist or NeoNazi?

Do you believe the white race should be kept pure, and so should remain separate and not marry inferior races.

Do you believe Jews are a parasitic inferior race attempting to control the world?

Do you believe Jews should be eliminated through bloodshed?

Do you believe that the Aryan race is the superior master race to which all other inferior races must be subordinated?

Have you read the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and "The Turner Diaries"?
no, no, no, no, no, yes
LOL, it worked for George Santos, why not you, right?

So do tell, if you don't "accept it's premises", why are you insisting people read it?

'superior master race'
too much Hollywood for you, pal. I doubt you've read Mein Kampf. Maybe you have but you have gobbled up too many post-war propaganda pieces after reading it.
Too much conspiracy theories for you pumpkin, only a moron would think he can change the narrative and change the historical reality about Adolf Hitler.   But go ahead, tell us all about how your misunderstood Hitler is the victim,  the Holocaust didn't happen, and green teeth white boys are the persecuted ones, it's entertaining to watch the far right pretend to be clever, we have to enjoy the show now since the jews will replace you soon.
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So, you are legitimately denying actual history, and believing a book Hitler wrote, and calling us dumb for not looking at the facts?
you don't get it at all. you are dumb (in this topic) because you think you can lecture me on Hitler when you haven't even read Mein Kampf.
that's my point and you're just proving it by responding to everything I say without going and looking at Mein Kampf first.
you are a teenager or early 20s who thinks they learned everything they need to know about one of the most important figures of the 20th Century - and all from 'middle school' ...

Well done. Go read Mein Kampf if you want to continue your arguments. Waste of time otherwise
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I'll just give you a paragraph from Mein Kampf instead. Who the fk is George Santos btw. Some COVID-19 thing or something. Turn off the news, it's affecting your brain

I am simply calling people out for chatting shit about Hitler when they haven't even read Mein Kampf -- so they are parroting rubbish about him instead of, I don't know, maybe, possibly, perhaps reading the man's own words, first? Or even a critique of them? A parody, maybe?

yes, the winners of WW2 have said plenty nice things about Hitler, and they continue to disseminate the unabashed truth of him almost eight decades later as mandatory education in school - not

p.s. most people I know who became 'Holocaust questioners' did so before they became anti-Semites, not the other way round, as you may have been led to believe

Even by 1916, several alarming signs became apparent. The men at the front were cursingand complaining—they were discontented and justifiably resentful in many respects. Whilethey were starving and suffering and their families at home were in misery, they could stillsee places where there was abundance and festive living. Even at the front itself, everythingwasn’t as it should have been in this respect. There were faint warnings of crisis, but thesewere all still internal matters. The same man who growled and cursed would silently do hisduty a few minutes later as if it were habit. The same company that was feelingdiscontented would dig into the section of trenches it had to defend, as if Germany’s Fatedepended upon this hundred yards of mud and shell-holes. This front line was still formedby the old, magnificent “Army of Heroes!” I would soon experience the difference betweenit and home in glaring contrast. At the end of September, 1916, my division entered thebattle of the Somme (one of the largest battles in the First World War with over 1.5 millioncasualties at the river Somme in northern France). For us, it was the first of the huge battlesthat now followed, and the impression it created is hard to describe. It seemed more likeHell than a war. The German front held out against the whirlwind drumming of the guns forweeks at a time. Sometimes, they were pushed back; then they would advance again, butthey never gave up.

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Too much conspiracy theories for you pumpkin, only a moron would think he can change the narrative and change the historical reality about Adolf Hitler.   But go ahead, tell us all about how your misunderstood Hitler is the victim,  the Holocaust didn't happen, and green teeth white boys are the persecuted ones, it's entertaining to watch the far right pretend to be clever, we have to enjoy the show now since the jews will replace you soon.
'historical reality' isn't a thing. history is chronilogically oriented narratives, written or otherwise recorded. the extent to which history is reality is limited to what is recorded. and you are completely ignoring everything that is recorded that does not agree with your tunnel-vision view

I'll sum up Hitler's 'provable' involvement in an order to create what is known today as 'the Holocaust' with this scholarly essay:

nothing explicit
nothing concrete
but he did it, didn't he, because who else did it, then, if he didn't?
ridiculous
this is your typical 'historian scholar' repeating the claims of other 'historian scholars' and adding them as citations in an appendix.
case closed, I suppose!
let's throw logic out the window, shall we, and just listen to these guys.
at least they make it clear, though:

This debate has largely been fueled by the fact that no written decreefrom Hitler directly ordering the Final Solution has ever been found.
well, no body or even body part, including ash, has ever been found that proves death by poison gas in any of the Third Reich camps. still, though, eyewitnesses and historians say that's how it happened for ~3 million Jews and [unknown] others. so let's just believe that and if we don't then we are anti-Semitic simply because our standards for evidence require something more than hearsay, eyewitness, and presumption of facts not in evidence (in this context, documentary evidence.)

there is one exception to the above: lots of severed hair has been found with traces of cyanide in it. but it can't prove murder by gas chamber because:
- if it is severed, it was intended to be used for something and/or destroyed
- if it was intended to be destroyed, why bother fumigating it
- it it was intended to be used for something, why wouldn't you fumigate it
- if it was severed after death, why do you always hear about people having their heads shaved when they came into the camps; why do you see people with their heads shaved in photographs
- if it was severed before death, why bother, when you'd be 'fumigating' people to their death anyway and could just sever it after death.

- therefore if it was severed before death then you weren't fumigating people to death
- therefore if it was severed after death those people didn't die by fumigation (unless you can tell me why people would have their heads shaved when they entered the camp if not for health measures for the camp (typhus))

furthermore, there is repeated use of the term "Final Solution" yet no mention of what the term "Final Solution" actually means (or even that it could mean something else) or that the term predates the war
you can find that info here https://archive.org/details/youtube-fkggjLpmbYI from which you can do further research.

You will also find a newspaper article from June 25, 1940, where the World Jewish Congress somehow predicts that 6,000,000 Jews will be destroyed if Hitler wins in Europe
So, if you publicly question that number today in several countries you can be imprisoned.
Let me make it clearer:
If you publicly question the 1940 predicted death toll of a 1941-1945 event, you can be imprisoned in several countries; in other countries, your career is ruined and your reputation tarred. So why bother.
It's 6 million. Not 5,999,999 or 6,000,001. 6,000,000.
Remember. Exactly 6 million or you are anti-Semitic. It's simple to remember but so many get it wrong. Bigots, I guess.

tell me then how the idea that Hitler ordered The Holocaust isn't a conspiracy theory, and how I am the one interested in conspiracy theories when all I focus on is facts you can go look up yourself. prove that anything I said above is a lie.

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If enough people were curious enough to read Mein Kampf, USA would NOT be in the Ukraine right now repeating EU history. A comprehensive History class doesn't just teach the effects. They teach the causes.
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you're right I think. but the reason Mein Kampf isn't taught as part of history class is not because it isn't useful, rather that it is not congruent with the picture of Hitler that is painted in other sources in the curriculum. Hitler is an evil anti-Semitic devil. And he is a racist. And hates everybody. Just ludicrous

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'Protected Identity Harm report filed as screenshot of student reading ‘Mein Kampf’ circulates'
"A Protected Identity Harm report has been filed after the circulation of a Snapchat screenshot of a student reading “Mein Kampf,” the autobiographical manifesto of Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler, according to an email sent to Jewish students Sunday by Rabbi Jessica Kirschner and Rabbi Laurie Hahn Tapper.
The Protected Identity Harm Reporting process is the University’s system to address incidents where a student or community member feels attacked due to their identity. 
The photo of the student reading the book was posted to another student’s Snapchat story Friday evening, according to a screenshot of the image obtained by The Daily.
University spokesperson Dee Mostofi confirmed that the Office of Student Affairs and the Office of Religious and Spiritual Life (ORL) became aware of this incident on Saturday. Mostofi added that the two offices, along with Stanford’s Hillel chapter, are working with the leaders of the residence that the students belong to address the social media post and its impact on the community."

tl;dr a guy was reading a book and somebody took a picture of it and essentially filed a 'lite' hate-crime report.

safe to say if the person taking the pic had even read 10 pages of Mein Kampf they likely wouldn't take a second look.
it's scary to see these things. how quickly people feel offended by something they know one side of, especially when that one side is riddled with lies

a guy actually said to me one time, when I was talking about something related to Hitler but not Hitler himself, "have you read Mein Kampf? the dude literally talks about hating black people in it."

so I hadn't read Mein Kampf at that point.

and when I finally did:
surprise, surprise: no he doesn't talk about hating black people in it. he actually mentions the word 'negro' (which is what black wouild have been called at the time) I think under 10 times, none of them referring to his views on them specifically but how they fit into society and how they have been used by colonies.

Hitler had a fondness for the tribes and peoples of Africa - but he wanted them to stay in Africa
and that's an example of his racialism idealogy that has been warped into racist ideology over time.
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In the history class I teach, we discuss the bad things Lincoln did as well as the good things, and then let the students come to their own conclusions about the balance of the man. Censoring history turns it into a cult worship class, and I do not allow for it.
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 "Renewable energy is not clean at all. Although while in use, renewable doesn’t emit anything, they do emit during development. Ed Ireland, PhD at Texas Christian University, said,“The reality is that wind and solar are dependent on fossil fuels. They cannot exist without oil and natural gas."

Renewable Energy that they are promising are actually more dirty than fossil fuels.

The Apocalyptic Claims about how we are all going to die unless we switch to clean energy is also a lie.

Climate change has always been happening, its just a way to control how people live their lives, to gain more control over the people.
I accept that renewable energy isn’t totally environmentally friendly but it is preferable to the alternative. Here in the UK wind power contributed 26.1% of the UK’s total electricity generation in 2021, so things are moving in the right direction. 

Good article, I know that the media will over hype the effects of global warming as doom and gloom is good for business.  

From your initial comment “But the accurate facts show that the world isn't actually in jeopardy,” I thought your position was of global warming denial but from these links you posted it seems that is not the case. And as main theme of this topic seems to be the endorsement of Mein Kampf, I will move on.
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you don't get it at all. you are dumb (in this topic) because you think you can lecture me on Hitler when you haven't even read Mein Kampf.
that's my point and you're just proving it by responding to everything I say without going and looking at Mein Kampf first.
you are a teenager or early 20s who thinks they learned everything they need to know about one of the most important figures of the 20th Century - and all from 'middle school' ...

Well done. Go read Mein Kampf if you want to continue your arguments. Waste of time otherwise
This is the stupidest argument that I have ever heard.

Saying:
You can't argue this topic because you haven't read Mein Kampf..
Is like saying:
You can't argue about any historical figure who has a book. 

It's stupid, and just a way to get out of a hard question. 

So, if you want to continue to use this as a weak defense then fine.
But you are still avoiding questions and refusing to get into an actual intellectual argument. 

Here's what you can do, if you were smart:
Take whatever Hitler said in Mein Kampf and see if it lines up with historical records. 
If it doesn't, then it's probably BS.
If it does, then you should look deeper into it. 

Litteral quotes from Mein Kampf (translated):
"A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the care of its best racial elements must some day become lord of the earth.
May the adherents of our movement never forget this if ever the magnitude of the sacrifices should beguile them to an anxious comparison with the possible results."

"What reduces one race to starvation stimulates another to harder work."

"All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood."

These quotes are showing Hitlers true colors through Mein Kampf. 
He might have had good intentions, but he did very very bad things to get there. Some of those things unforgivable. 
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You can't read a book that almost no one else here has read, and claim your right and no one else is, because you read an opinionated book.