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@Greyparrot
Typical poker styles of both genders actually directly defy the idea you have there, in my experience.
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@Dr.Franklin
I decided to skim this thread. And wow. I can't tell if this entire thread is men talking with no actual perspective. Bit late on this thread but oh well.
Dr. Franklin,
Every single women do what's best for their individual situation. If men did this then imagine how different history would be.
You honestly make me laugh with this thought process. Every single woman, huh? So if I could prove one male that has done something for their individual situation, lets see, would this be incorrect?
Further, many women do whats best for multiple people's situations. Women activists are a real, they are not just doing it for their own individual situation. They are doing it for the community as well.
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Greyparrot,
Women's strength is deception. Men's strength is control.
I have seen countless men have their strengths as deception. You state that men have control, is that really their strength? I'm more than positively sure that most reported sexual assaults are because of men. Is that really control?
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@Bella3sp
You state that men have control, is that really their strength?
It's a genetic feature from millions of years of evolution. It's not a strength in modern society.
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@RationalMadman
Lol, professional poker actually has little to do with deception. Professional poker players look at a player's history to increase the odds, and never play the "tell" game. That's only in the movies.
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@Greyparrot
It's a genetic feature from millions of years of evolution. It's not a strength in modern society.
I see. So is this so-called "genetic feature" actually doing much? If once again, they can't even control themselves around others (male or female).
Also even with this "genetic feature" (which I am not completely sure about), I don't see men having all that much control to be honest.
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@Bella3sp
I have (almost) never heard of a mother killing her family and herself in a murder-suicide and I have noticed far more discipline in the methods used by female serial killers etc than male ones.
Men lose control more severely for sure, the gender difference in conviction is disproportionate. In fact, if I was put into a desert island survival situation and had to exploit male enemies, I would bet on their irresponsibility whereas with female ones I would bet on them being too predictable and cautious. I could be wrong but the trends are the very inverse of what GP thinks.
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@Bella3sp
So is this so-called "genetic feature" actually doing much?
Nope. Ever since the industrial revolution, men have become even more disposable and less relevant for society.
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@Greyparrot
I think this proves my point, just with the words "nope". I'm unsure why you mentioned this "genetic feature" when it doesn't do anything for talking about a mans strengths.
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@Bella3sp
Technology has made many evolutionary biological strengths into weaknesses. Unfortunately, it takes time for nature to remove genetic aberrations from the gene pool.
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@RationalMadman
I am fairly confused if you agree or disagree with my comments. Hopefully based on your last comment I am assuming we are both on the same idea.
Usually serial-killer females tend to be more on the rare side. However, yes, I have seen more discipline in female serial killers. Rather than stalking or torturing it seems they use far less tedious tactics such as poison.
I can mostly see where you are coming from, along with agreeing (most) of your comments. Especially your last sentence, it seems the tendency is different from what GP thinks.
As far as talking about survival, having to exploit a male in survival is more predictable than predicting a women. If we are aiming for the more "alpha males" they strive to win rather than hiding and waiting. More head-on head combat. I would presume they would go straight into killing you with no tactical efforts, just their fists, weapons, etc. More leaning towards them being irresponsible. If we are aiming at the more stereotypical (and also somewhat in general) views of women, they would be planning attacks more so less head-on attacks. Both are predictable but in terms of what one will do, men are more predictable. Not knowing what tactic someone might use could be your end in survival.
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@Greyparrot
Still don't think this revolves around a man having the strength of control.
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@Bella3sp
It's just a prominent trait in men. Also vestigial.
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@Bella3sp
Usually serial-killer females tend to be more on the rare side. However, yes, I have seen more discipline in female serial killers. Rather than stalking or torturing it seems they use far less tedious tactics such as poison.
Not as much as you think. I reckon over 90% of unsolved serial killer cases were women. They tend to be very disciplined even after getting caught, meaning they don't revel in it or take pride in how they lost control. Women actually have a sense of deep pride over how calm they stay that many men could benefit from mimicking at least in most scenarios. I believe it's because from a young age, girls condition each other to cope with a lot of mental torment, bitchiness, backstabbing, half-friend half-enemy scenarios whereas boys learn to either confront or totally avoid their 'enemies' who tend to be very up front. This means when we enter the adult world which operates much closer to high school girl politics than high school boy politics, the women are far more hardened to it and composed, capable etc of enduring what goes down whereas men are newer to it and lose their cool fast.
This is also why, I believe, there is an illusion that men/boys mentally mature slower, it's more that they never had the environment to trigger it. The mental conditioning of a boy towards his young adult life is to be tough and straightfoward, if he's angry he should fight, if he's scared he should run and most of his bullies and enemies will be at least decently obvious about it. Girls train each other from an extremely young age to comprehend and cope with backstabbing, betrayal and covert bullying that dances between friendship and torment. They enter adulthood totally understanding not only the social balancing acts it entails but how to cope with the mental stress involved. They also learned how to hide their moves much better (which is the deception greyparrot refers to, which is only one type) since they know the consequence that comes with being too obvious in where you stand with people that they were trained from bad experiences in the past as a girl.
Another thing that comes with being covert and less obvious is caution, they naturally have a tendency to be cautious and observe their social and emotional environment before making statements, moves etc. Women are not actually superior genetically to men in EQ, what happened was they were conditioned and trained from a young age to spiral their EQ higher and higher in ways boys are directly encouraged and conditioned to lower if anything.
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@Bella3sp
As far as talking about survival, having to exploit a male in survival is more predictable than predicting a women. If we are aiming for the more "alpha males" they strive to win rather than hiding and waiting. More head-on head combat. I would presume they would go straight into killing you with no tactical efforts, just their fists, weapons, etc. More leaning towards them being irresponsible. If we are aiming at the more stereotypical (and also somewhat in general) views of women, they would be planning attacks more so less head-on attacks. Both are predictable but in terms of what one will do, men are more predictable. Not knowing what tactic someone might use could be your end in survival.
Based on what you chose as a username and profile picture, I presume you're either a very feminine guy, a woman or genderqueer. The reason I say this is the way you depict men is pretty much as ignorant of internal male politics amongst 'alphas' as what GreyParrot says about both men and women.
Men are extremely complex, there is a reason that the best chess and poker players are generally men or rather non-effeminate women and it isn't lack of opportunity as much as lack of drive towards strategic and tactical things at their apex amongst women. If you think men are that brutish and obvious it tells me you have not experienced much in terms of grown men and the shit they do, men are very different to 'boys' much more so than women are to girls. Men are not as obvious or predictable at all. There's a reason you will never ever, as Dr. Franklin put it, even in a parallel universe find a feminine female equivalent to Hitler just as much as no feminine female equivalent to Voldemort in Harry Potter. The apex of deception and evil, complexity in its most severe form in humanity is almost always masculine. Women can obviously be deceptive as hell but the degree of planning, plotting and absolute disaster that men get off on doing in their most complex and sadistic ways is far beyond what women do and trust me, it's not something men should be proud of.
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@RationalMadman
is it gaining, maintaining or using control?
Discussing evolutionary traits, most men that survive today to pass on their genes control their overwhelming physical strength advantage over women. Men who didn't have the herited trait to control themselves and protect the mothers of their children were quickly removed from the gene pool.
That control is manifested outwardly by controlling emotions. Women will instinctively reject a man (incel) who shows poor control outwardly as unfit to pass on genes. Men instinctively reject a woman that doesn't display the traits of neoteny. (women who hit the wall)
The evolutionary advantage for women applying an hour of makeup is to display the level of neoteny that will allow her to secure a suitable man for her future. Although today, women do it just to score the top 10 percent of men for bedroom fun since most modern women choose to wait too long to secure a long term relationship, choosing single motherhood and wine and cats instead.
Fascinating how millions of years of evolution shaped our modern present chemical instincts.
^^^ This debate covers it.
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@Greyparrot
Fascinating how millions of years of evolution shaped our modern present chemical instincts.
Women cry { release/releasing the knot more frequently }, --ergo less mass-shooter tendency---,
Men fry { tension/tightening of the knot more frequently with less release } ---ergo more mass-shooter tendency---.
~~~~~~( * * ) >x< ( * * )~~~
Men go out to fight the tiger, lion, mammoth, whale etc and this requires contractive tightning of the muscles.
Women mostly contractively tighten the muscles in response to men, to match their tension.
~~~( * * ) >x< ( * * )~~~
Men hold it { fry } in til they explode.
Women release it { cry } more often to let man know how they feel.
/* *\ = woman { nurturing containment/internal of the species future }
*Y* = man { seed spreader/external of the species future }
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@Greyparrot
is it gaining, maintaining or using control?Discussing evolutionary traits, most men that survive today to pass on their genes control their overwhelming physical strength advantage over women. Men who didn't have the herited trait to control themselves and protect the mothers of their children were quickly removed from the gene pool.That control is manifested outwardly by controlling emotions. Women will instinctively reject a man (incel) who shows poor control outwardly as unfit to pass on genes. Men instinctively reject a woman that doesn't display the traits of neoteny. (women who hit the wall)The evolutionary advantage for women applying an hour of makeup is to display the level of neoteny that will allow her to secure a suitable man for her future. Although today, women do it just to score the top 10 percent of men for bedroom fun since most modern women choose to wait too long to secure a long term relationship, choosing single motherhood and wine and cats instead.Fascinating how millions of years of evolution shaped our modern present chemical instincts.
Not only is that ignorant of the range of types but the 'Chad' you referred to tends to be very furious (but not specifically furious towards his woman), impulsive, red-blooded and lacks self control. So, even if we stuck to your stereotype there's a glaring contradiction since the type of women you stereotype aren't into the super controlled type of guy, they want a beast to be passionate and unleash onto them sexually at times while be entertaining and surprise them at others.
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@Sir.Lancelot
^^^ This debate covers it.
Bill Russell the Legend on Netflix
I dont know the details of his first marriage { 3 children } of why they split.
Post 77 covers more about man and woman sterotypes.
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@YouFound_Lxam
XY.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Oh, you mean ideal man.
Husband, father, leader who loves his family.
Will stand up for what is right. Is fit to fight, but has the moral sense to use the pen first, and is slow to anger.
labels destroy arguements.
society doesnt know whats best for the individual.
so many lies and misconceptions in this thread. people are diverse, men would have greater range of values if they werent told how to live by society. there is nothing wrong with staying with family past age 18 as long as you are working/helping somehow. its only when you are married that you should seperate from parents.
we dont need more ideas of a man/women based on opinions, labels or a synopsis of their character/actions. Let God tell you what makes a man and what makes a woman.
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@Bella3sp
You honestly make me laugh with this thought process. Every single woman, huh? So if I could prove one male that has done something for their individual situation, lets see, would this be incorrect?Further, many women do whats best for multiple people's situations. Women activists are a real, they are not just doing it for their own individual situation. They are doing it for the community as well.
One man doing something just for himself doesn't prove that all women act for themselves
Women activists do everything they can to improve their own individual lot, which could include advocating for societal change, which is basically a motivation for feminism.
What is wrong with a man taking responsibility, and to go even further, why wouldn't a man take responsibility?
Why would they in the year 2023?
Men aren't the ones who are supposed to be talking about their feelings to everyone. They are supposed to suppress those feelings, for the greater good of others, because a real man is the one who cares for others over himself and does his best to lead them. A leader isn't supposed to go to therapy, or cry to his followers about the troubles in his life. He is supposed to lead and help others with this struggle. Men are leaders, by instinct and that leadership quality and ability is why we suppress our emotions more.
Of course, I am not disputing this.
The problem is that women also need to take responsibility for their actions which is causing a complete societal breakdown, and yet they have not
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@YouFound_Lxam
Men are pushers { like Dark Energy out<-)(->out } --and the opposite of Universal coherence of Gravity-,
Women are attractors --Gravity (>in< ) = mass-attraction and it is a mystery as to why mass attracts---.
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Man....X y...... *Y* externalized and less complex......Y = radiative outward <--->......the minimal limit of inward nodal events curves back outward
Woman....X x...../* *\ internalized.....X = contractive inward --><--...eternally existent outermost surface set nodal events of Universe
......macro-infinite..........space(> * <) i (> * <)space........macro-infinite.......
i = Meta-space ego identity is outside of { Meta/beyond } finite, occupied space Universe
Man and woman both send the one kind of signal from brain to muscles, to contract inward. with resultant tension/taughtness/rigidity, to perform work.
Man generally does this more, yet woman endures this the most in childbirth, when the uterus muscles contracts and pushes-out the fetus-baby.
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@RationalMadman
I didn't want this response to take this long..
Based on what you chose as a username and profile picture, I presume you're either a very feminine guy, a woman or genderqueer. The reason I say this is the way you depict men is pretty much as ignorant of internal male politics amongst 'alphas' as what GreyParrot says about both men and women.
As the quote from Ben Johnson says, "curiosity kills the cat".
As of right now I won't confirm my gender. However, i'll say two things, based on my profile picture and username it seems a bit hard to come to that conclusion. As you can see in whiteflame's profile, it features a woman present but as far as I know whiteflame is a male. Secondly, this username is not based off my actual name. Further, how I respond is how I want my identity to be reflected. In this situation I am more feminine than I am masculine. This was by choice. At any time, whenever I choose, I could switch that up real quick. My entire point for commenting on this thread was to cease from only having male point of views. I had no intention of conveying a males viewpoint. Maybe somewhere down the line you will see how likely I am to switch up in certain circumstances.
I have an extremely strong opinion on internal male politics.
Now ill address the last part of your sentence. Are you questioning my knowledge on this topic? I usually trust your judgement, however I can't say I am right now.
What's your point?
Men are extremely complex, there is a reason that the best chess and poker players are generally men or rather non-effeminate women and it isn't lack of opportunity as much as lack of drive towards strategic and tactical things at their apex amongst women. If you think men are that brutish and obvious it tells me you have not experienced much in terms of grown men and the shit they do, men are very different to 'boys' much more so than women are to girls. Men are not as obvious or predictable at all. There's a reason you will never ever, as Dr. Franklin put it, even in a parallel universe find a feminine female equivalent to Hitler just as much as no feminine female equivalent to Voldemort in Harry Potter. The apex of deception and evil, complexity in its most severe form in humanity is almost always masculine. Women can obviously be deceptive as hell but the degree of planning, plotting and absolute disaster that men get off on doing in their most complex and sadistic ways is far beyond what women do and trust me, it's not something men should be proud of.
Honestly I think everyone believes that men can be extremely complex. I can agree that many top chess players or poker players are males. However, really think about why they are the top players. How many women have you seen engage in these games? Many chess players practice from a young age and I think many women don’t find it something they want to pursue. I think both men and women are typical. I don't believe that most men are better chess players (etc) because women are "typical". Men are not always brutish, I can agree with that. However, they can be brutish in many if not most situations. Men can be possessive almost as if stalking like an animal. Men can tend to be extremely aggressive going “feral” like an animal. Not sure if you're questioning my experience because you don't act this way and believe every other man isn't brutish. But as for what you're telling me, it seems like a one-sided or self-centered viewpoint.
That said, with your Harry potter reference you aren’t completely wrong but not completely correct either. I don’t use Wikipedia (and tend to avoid it 99.9% of the time) since it's not the most reliable, however I will be using it for this situation. I'm using this source because I haven’t watched a single of the Harry Potter movies and it seems their description of his personality is reliable. Wikipedia says something along the lines of a raging psychopath and devoid of the normal human responses to human suffering. Women can watch as someone tears themselves apart in front of them one by one without a single emotion. In fact, some even feel pleasure in watching others suffering.
Saying you should or shouldn’t be proud of something completely relies on the standards you set for yourself. On this website you are considered to be sadistic and you even consider yourself sadistic. I would assume you aren’t proud of it? Even if you were to say you aren’t proud of it, you seem like you are.
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@Dr.Franklin
One man doing something just for himself doesn't prove that all women act for themselvesWomen activists do everything they can to improve their own individual lot, which could include advocating for societal change, which is basically a motivation for feminism.
My bad, guess I wasn't reading my response fully. The correct term I should have been using was, "If I could prove one woman acts for the community and not just themselves, would this be considered incorrect?"
Women activists don't do everything they can to improve their own individual problems. Let me use an example, there were white women who not undergoing any discrimination themselves, fought for people of color. And I would assume there are still white women who speak out against discrimination. So, if they are a person of color why are they speaking out? They are speaking out to improve the conditions of others not themselves. There are multiple other examples I could probably come up with if you actually need more.
Even with my response above, I can agree. There are multiple women activists that do it to improve their situation. But do most or at least some still have the mindset of improving other peoples situations? Yes.
I think this shows your claim "all women act for themselves" is incorrect.
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@Bella3sp
My bad, guess I wasn't reading my response fully. The correct term I should have been using was, "If I could prove one woman acts for the community and not just themselves, would this be considered incorrect?"
you can try
Women activists don't do everything they can to improve their own individual problems. Let me use an example, there were white women who not undergoing any discrimination themselves, fought for people of color. And I would assume there are still white women who speak out against discrimination. So, if they are a person of color why are they speaking out? They are speaking out to improve the conditions of others not themselves. There are multiple other examples I could probably come up with if you actually need more.
Women civil rights activists were shit-testing their men to see if they could pass, they failed. It's a classic example of working for themselves and against the community.
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@Dr.Franklin
I won't be using sources or anything, this isn't really a debate. Instead I'll be using common knowledge.
My bad, guess I wasn't reading my response fully. The correct term I should have been using was, "If I could prove one woman acts for the community and not just themselves, would this be considered incorrect?"you can try
I already think my first response answers this, but I'll further it even more.
Some women rake the leaves of someones lawn or shovel the snow on someones driveway. Some women volunteer at food banks, hospitals, etc. Some women do favors for others.
I feel the list just goes on and on..
Women activists don't do everything they can to improve their own individual problems. Let me use an example, there were white women who not undergoing any discrimination themselves, fought for people of color. And I would assume there are still white women who speak out against discrimination. So, if they are a person of color why are they speaking out? They are speaking out to improve the conditions of others not themselves. There are multiple other examples I could probably come up with if you actually need more.Women civil rights activists were shit-testing their men to see if they could pass, they failed. It's a classic example of working for themselves and against the community.
Not all women thought this way. Therefore my comment continues to stand.
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@Bella3sp
I have seen countless men have their strengths as deception. You state that men have control, is that really their strength? I'm more than positively sure that most reported sexual assaults are because of men. Is that really control?
Well, it's definitely NOT deception.