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@Barney
Pie definitely customised my role to fit a Town alignment, you pointed out something even I had overlooked (that he stopped it at Mylo to be merciful to Town)
U.S. Governors Mafia DP4
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@Barney
My role PM just says for every eliminated player, not specifying anything about said eliminations, it adds +1 (not using these exact words but 'eliminated' is used)
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@RationalMadman
I was also misinformed. Pie seems to be wrong about DeWine's trajectory...
So I trust Pie to use roles with little or no modification. I do not trust his reasonings for which character aligns to what role. Pretty sure I once lynched someone because by telling the truth about their PM, the evidence said they were lying about their character.
Anyways, GTG
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@Barney
I still think the team is Whiteflame and you but I like you this DP, you do give towny vibes but I am not that naive to go back on my theory. I get that from your perspective, GP is the safest bet but from mine WF is.
Official Vote Count:
Whiteflame (1/3) - RM
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@RationalMadman
I mean, barney just threw the game there by admitting WF is scum. That makes only one safe lynch today by default.
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@RationalMadman
If Barney was actually town, he would play to his wincon by killing scum instead of voting against the other 2 town.
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@RationalMadman
I appreciate that you actually detailed your reasons for sussing me. It gives me something to address rather than just revisiting what I’ve already said.
That being said… yeah, much of this still doesn’t make sense. SirAnon said that he knew who Austin’s governor was well after the DP should have ended. At that point, I’d been offline. That’s why I addressed it at the start of DP3. As for noticing that Austin was also an investigator… seriously? I pointed it out in DP3 when it had already been mentioned by other people and had been blatantly on display at the top of 2 DPs. Not sure why you’d sus me for reading more carefully than you do.
I don’t understand the logic regarding my somehow being “forced to lead onto Wylted DP1”, since you seem to be exclusively focused on Wylted’s game. It seems like you are placing the blame on him for your inability to get a lynch on me, when you clearly had the opportunity and simply refused to get an early lynch on a known scum. I don’t know what makes you think that I had to be early on him if I was scum, either, since you were pretty ineffectively recruiting to my wagon. I don’t have a history of bussing like this, but somehow this makes me scummy?
I also don’t know how an “even if” statement somehow gives me away. I’ve been the target of multiple lunches as town and framed it similarly. You can say this is all part of some unwillingness to post lies (which is true), but what you’re actually giving evidence of is that I don’t lash out or ridicule you, or being cocky, which has never been the case. I tend not to attack people in any game.
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@Barney
Pie clarified, even if scum died, they will count to it. So no matter what yes basically 100% sure by dp3 my power is nullified.
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@Greyparrot
If there's two scum left, then it's WF and GP; with whiteflame most likely being a RB. Without knowing what power GP actually has, I'd rather play it safe and eliminate him first.Either way, I think we should at least hear GP's explanations for his behavior before ending this DP. Since GP is buddying up to you so hard and stroking your ego, maybe you can get him to give some real answers instead of pure deflections?I mean, barney just threw the game there by admitting WF is scum. That makes only one safe lynch today by default.
*slow clap* Nice job with the gaslighting.
Anyone can see you've been lurking, then dodging all questions, and then lying about what I said but tagging RM in it instead of me...
You wanting something so badly, when you've otherwise been so passive this whole game, doesn't fit. You coordinating with Wylted in DP1 to make sure it was safe to visit him, likewise doesn't fit.
If you are not scum, just explain the deal with you and Wylted and what your real role is. I'll take you dodging again to be an admission of guilt, as should everyone else.
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Ok, driving to school now.
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@Barney
even when GP truly believes in something he does that with irl politics on here, that's just his style. Town or not he'd do that.
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@RationalMadman
I didn't mean to say threw the game, I meant threw his scum buddy WF under the bus.
Can you explain why he would declare WF as scum but not vote for him?
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@RationalMadman
Finally back on.
Scum can kill and roleblock st the same time... are you trolling with that worry?
You are entirely correct that they can do that. I forgot.
why were you not roleblocked np3? Give a scum reasoning not to.My theory?Whiteflame is a 2x roleblocker and did rb that2 np1.
Your theory would be my first guess. I have three other theories.
1. Mafia's roleblocker is a JOAT who only had 1x RB.
2. Barney is a yakuza. He recruited Whiteflame, who actually is a 1x jailbreaker, and is out of shots.
3. Paranoia about badger's High Noon claim. He never actually explained how it supposedly worked or how many shots he supposedly had. Mafia could have been concerned that he had multiple shots and could activate them at any time. If that had been the case, there was a risk that (for example) Whiteflame and badger shot each other and both died. However, if badger was RB'ed, that risk was eliminated, so it could make sense to both NK and RB him at the same time.
That last theory is less likely.
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@RationalMadman
Run me through the reasoning again, of why you did not track NP1
The more players that are in the game, the lower my chances of tracking scum. Thus, I would be more likely to get useful information if I used my 2 shots in later DPs. Of course, I was gambling that the game would last to DP4 and that I would still be alive. That was a gamble I was willing to take.
If there are any other questions I missed, let me know. I wasn't tagged in them if there were, and I don't feel like rereading the whole DP just to find them.
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@SirAnonymous
2 questions...are you town and do you think wf is skum
Scumread time.
I'm townreading RM. Scum is between WF, GP, and Barney. I'm 90% sure that it is WF and Barney.
There are only three possible scum teams: WF-GP, WF-Barney, and Barney-GP. We can eliminate Barney-GP (and the vastly less likely Barney-RM and the completely impossible Barney-SA) with almost absolute certainty. Earlier in the DP, there were two votes on WF. If Barney was scum with anyone other than WF, he would have hammered and instantly won the game. The fact that he didn't do so proves that, if Barney is scum, he must be scum with WF. WF-GP can't be completely disregarded, but I think it comes close. If Whiteflame and GP were scum, it seems highly unlikely that GP would vote for WF in any circumstance. Now, there is the possibility that GP is bussing, but I don't think it's too likely. This leaves only WF-Barney.
I also have a second line of reasoning. As demonstrated above, if Barney is scum, then he is scum with WF. I believe we can be very confident that Barney is scum based on his behavior this DP. He has said that he strongly townreads me and RM. It necessarily follows that he thinks GP and WF are scum. However, he has been remarkably unwilling to vote for WF. WF was at two votes, Barney has every reason to believe that WF is scum, yet he refused to vote him. Even now, while he says that he thinks GP and WF are scum, he is prefers to vote for GP. He is behaving exactly like mafia trying to save their partner.
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@SirAnonymous
The more players that are in the game, the lower my chances of tracking scum. Thus, I would be more likely to get useful information if I used my 2 shots in later DPs. Of course, I was gambling that the game would last to DP4 and that I would still be alive. That was a gamble I was willing to take.
this is mathematically nonsense, since by this logic the better Town is doing if they lynched Scum dp2 for instance, the logic you use would paralyse you to not track np2 either.
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@SirAnonymous
barney RM is equally impossible to barney SA
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@RationalMadman
@Greyparrot
Yes to both. In fact, unless either of you have any further input, I think we should go ahead and lynch WF.
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@SirAnonymous
I already am voting him. I am completely and utterly sure.
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@RationalMadman
The vastly unlikely and completely impossible descriptions were my opinions before taking into account Barney's failure to hammer. After taking it into account, you are correct that both are impossible.
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@RationalMadman
@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
Let's do it then. VTL Whiteflame
Remember this:
If whiteflame flips non-RB hold SA with severe suspicion next dp, hand hammer to nobody since Barney no-visited on a track only on a night where his RBs either may be used up and/or absolutely no RB is confirmed to have happened.
If the flip contains conversion, greyparrot is redlit, do not lynch greyparrot dp2 in this case.
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@SirAnonymous
if it was you and GP then whatever, there are limits to my abilities obviously.
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@SirAnonymous
I feel you and GP would drag this out and troll, genuinely, in case you're confused why I consider that.
If the flip contains conversion, greyparrot is redlit, do not lynch greyparrot dp2 in this case.
i mean dp5 the post I just made confused my brain
Writing and thinking about this post had me thinking about DP2, was a freudian slip.
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@RationalMadman
this is mathematically nonsense, since by this logic the better Town is doing if they lynched Scum dp2 for instance, the logic you use would paralyse you to not track np2 either.
The math for tracking is the same, but the gamble changes. The fewer players there are, the more likely it is that either I will be lynched/NK'ed or the game will end.
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@SirAnonymous
But if you factored in roleblockers and as you say the killing probability (ignore lynching, assume you will towntell and win) you will see the apex version of you in this game would have tracked NP1.
I agree with you only if you were 1x, that as a 1x tracker saving for np2 this game was optimal.