U.S. Governors Mafia DP4

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The purifier could only purify the miller and compulsive visitor.

This is truly a co firmation GP is town. This then confirms SA as plausibly Town.

This means the team is wf and barney in any coherent interpretation to me.

To them, I must be scum with the other.

Game is cracked to a 3way.
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The purifier has no reason to be 2x unless there was another role to purify than the miller.

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I will not hesitate. I fully  absolutely believe I have cracked the game.

Fuck it.

I totally believe it. It has to be this. If I am wrong so be it.

VTL whiteflame

Yes I voted. I fully believe I cracked the setup's axioms of balance.

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I have voted. I want this to be me vs whiteflame. I am certain.
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@whiteflame
Vote me.
I am not rethinking it.
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Last thought: I don’t know why anyone keeps saying that the presence of a Tracker somehow confirms a Compulsive Visitor. That doesn’t make sense. There are all manner of roles that visit other people. I don’t know why a virtually useless role like Compulsive Visitor, which seems built solely to explain why someone would visit other people every night, does anything but confuse a Tracker.
Nobody said that.

I said if GP is Town, SA is. Not the other way around. Scum seems to be defensive, not offensive. Wylted had a very defensive ability. Roleblocking on to make sense a d a roleblocker in a ga.e with a 1xjailkeeper too? Pahahaha.

Whiteflame, you are a man of caution, you would not randomly use your power np1 and if used not out to say hey mafia, I am vanilla now. Then you vote 7th out of 5 and 5th out of 4, posing and showmanship is not your town meta

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After wylted claimed Hitler, whiteflame was forced to stick to the bus that I myself made happen by refusing to shift away from whifeflame while havi g shown willingness to vote wylted.

That bus was coerced by me alone alongside best korea's cooperation
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If.whiteflame had not bussed wylted after wylted claimed Hitler, whiteflame had no hopes to look Tow y later as he is a very literal player, he has no meta to abstractly let a claim loke that slip by as Town.
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Ok VTL WF
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Unvote
Vtl Barney

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What happens if I vote barney?
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Why are you trigger happy suddenly? I am asking why
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GP why are you that happy to vote so fast???



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GP explain what happens if you visit thirdparty
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If you visit thirdparty what happens to you?
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Unvote Barney to extend dialogue.

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I'm not interested in engaging with this convert/deconvert analysis. It's all BS, whether you know it or not, and it's a distraction from this DP.

I'm not going to jump on any lynch this DP. We need to coalesce around a choice, not make random decisions. The fact that you are choosing to vote at this point isn't surprising to me, but I am still confused as to why you think I'd reciprocate.

I said if GP is Town, SA is. Not the other way around.
I also responded to that, though no one seemed to care enough to address it. It's pretty pointless at this point, anyway. Everyone's townreading SirAnon, so I don't know why you're making this about how we see him.

Whiteflame, you are a man of caution, you would not randomly use your power np1 and if used not out to say hey mafia, I am vanilla now.
I didn't use it randomly. I sussed That2 in DP1. I was also very clear as to why I outed my role, and I'll note that you haven't addressed those reasons. You just keep repeating the same point.

Then you vote 7th out of 5 and 5th out of 4, posing and showmanship is not your town meta

After wylted claimed Hitler, whiteflame was forced to stick to the bus that I myself made happen by refusing to shift away from whifeflame while havi g shown willingness to vote wylted.
Love how these two posts come one after the other. You don't note that I was the second on the lynch on Wylted in DP1, who is the only known scum at this point. He would have been lynched if you hadn't been splitting the vote, but somehow it's obvious that I was bussing because the alternative was literally to vote for myself to get a lynch? WTF is with that logic? Also, let's face it, you didn't make that wagon happen, you actively subverted it. Don't be so full of yourself.

I was very clear about why I didn't immediately hop on either the That2 or Wylted lynches and, frankly, I have a long history of being slow to decide who to push. You of all people should know that, not to mention I've justified the choices I made in both of these cases. I don't see you addressing any of the logic I used.

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In general, this decision by both RM and GP to start forming lynches is rubbing me the wrong way. Rushing into any lynch at this stage should be off the table. We should be encouraging discussion as much as possible.
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I vote Wylted with best korea. I did it as a reaction test.

Wylted kept trying to push me onto best korea or siranonymous, consistently. Then when he realised I was nit budging, that I was doing you or him, he then suicide-outs, perhaps as you are a stronger scum role and better player too.
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In any case, I'm at work and I can't spend my entire morning focused on this. I'll come back over lunch.
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I vote Wylted with best korea. I did it as a reaction test.

Wylted kept trying to push me onto best korea or siranonymous, consistently. Then when he realised I was nit budging, that I was doing you or him, he then suicide-outs, perhaps as you are a stronger scum role and better player too.
So, you got a reaction, and by your own admission, you scumread him hard. Then, rather than continuing to push on him hard, which I was helping to facilitate after he claimed that ridiculous role, you decided to keep pushing on me and split the vote because... you wanted people to dumbread you? Sorry, I can't follow the logic that allows an obvious scum to survive DP1.
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Why should we encourage discussion? That i creases chance of scum to talk town out of a lynch.

All 3 town need to vote correctly today and all 2 town need to the next day if the split is the intuitive 3v8.

Tbe more we talk, the more deception can occur but yes, so can more tells. So keep trying to grill me, I am absolutely certain in my reasoning but one thing peculiar to me is why Barney played THAT obvious in voting patterns if he is the third partner.
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Supa was gov and believed I CCd him, he is well kmown to fuck up in a panic and in particular has this thing to mishammer me.

I happened to be there last minute when actually I was suoer busy until and thought the day had just ended so I took a look  I tried toake sense of things in literally 2 mins of reading the game bacmwards, thought wykted had gladiatored BK and second gussed my scumread on him but UNTIL then had scumread him and saw it as scum vs scum you vs hi.
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Then during the NP I read DP1 somewhat more, not every detail, I realised wylted tried to rush lynh BK and he incited supa to OT it to me.

My vote on SA was half genuine, I needed his out badly to crack the setup and theme.
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I was afk while the thatw d
Fiasco happened beyond tbe start. I read that2 as either town that was silly or culted and sacrificing.
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The that2 fiasco*
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The 2x purifier is very unlikely be for miller ONLY. Pie gave the purifier 2 shots that if hit correctly cured the 2 town roles capable of benefitting.

With no cult, it is likely to cure compulsive visitor and miller
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SA is easily bullshitting about his role. He has zero proven tracks

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The reason to townread SA is due to contingency in the setup, the miller tricks the cop as the CV tricks the tracker
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Pie puts both, assuming both out DP1, to let a defensively powered Mafia operate such that they can blend in amongst drama dp1 byt Thatw shocks Pie and doesnt out as Miller, making everything go crazy vs what his balance foresaw