U.S. Governors Mafia DP1

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wf is semi passive in this yee, I don't see him playing so defensively with info in this
Question is who has the biggest scum slip, wf/WyIted
What do you think a scum slip is? I don't know if WF is scum or not, I scum read him every game so I know I like lynching him early even if it is a mislynch, so I can have a more accurate decision in a MYLO situation. 

If anyone scum slipped, please show me the post so I can help you lynch them. 

Right now I am starting to suspect a RM/best Korea team. RM seems like he is trying to set himself up to back track on insinuating a role related to having a vote on him. He also stated earlier when he first entered the thread that his role was somewhat scummy
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I literally pointed out 4 posts where RM was doing that. One to you, one to WF and one to supa. Are you not trying to make any effort at comprehending what people say?
Point it out to me a 5th time, I feel I'm legit confused/inattentive this game, distracted by things, Idk if it's this game/if my reading comprehension is going down, I need to get back into reading, maybe I need sleep

What's confusing is the conflicting things you and wf be saying, seems like I'm missing what's being said
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What do you think a scum slip is? I don't know if WF is scum or not, I scum read him every game so I know I like lynching him early even if it is a mislynch, so I can have a more accurate decision in a MYLO situation. 
I think it's acting in a way scum acts in, like trying to control the narrative/the flow of information, deflect lynches off of themselves onto a scapegoat, etc. I also tend to scumread wf so I'm with you on getting him out in the beginning 
If anyone scum slipped, please show me the post so I can help you lynch them. 
Hopefully I find one, I will let you know when I do

RM seems like he is trying to set himself up to back track on insinuating a role related to having a vote on him. He also stated earlier when he first entered the thread that his role was somewhat scummy
If it is set up I want to see the execution, let's see how RM reacts 
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RM is far too certain that WF is scum.
Good point, RM is convinced  all in on the fact wf plays insanely defensively with info as town and let's info go as mafia alone
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wf is playing dispassionately, not disengaged, he is engaged, I need to go back and read what he says in detail, RM is saying this dispassionate play paints him as mafia, wanting the 1 v. 1, in the MMA game that wf was scum he actively wanted me to full claim, joining in with someone else in wanting this
Going off RM's perception alone wf leans scum, wf is not freaking out with mass claims as RM's perception of town wf would do, he's also not actively pushing anyone to full claim like he did me when scum, to me wf is playing wf slight scum/neutral, I'd even say wf is playing as he usually does, least what I perceive to be wf's usual play
I'm honestly just not interested in engaging with this tunnel vision RM at this stage, so I haven't been as involved when he's the one dominating the posts. We've discussed his sussing of me, he's made very clear where he stands, and as far as I can tell, no one agrees with his perspective of my past play, which is the entire basis on which his case against me rests. There are plenty of past games where he sussed me early because of some perception of how I usually play and my tone in a given post. He straight up admitted that he doesn't know how to read me in DP1 back in post #34.

0nly town I'm seeing is RM, since he wants wf vs. RM I'm voting  inwith him 

VTL whiteflame
I understand that tactic, but just believing that RM is town doesn't mean his VTL makes sense. If you don't agree with his logic, don't just parrot him because you think he's town. I think he's likely town, but that doesn't mean I'm voting for either you or WyIted by default.
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I still just don't buy it. I get your point that RM has been trying to push for votes against him, but that honestly seems more driven by his usual style of trying to push us all to focus on his strongest scum read. Maybe he's trying to bide out an OMGUS response so that he can make a better case, or maybe he's just trying to get the same kind of response he got out of That2 and make it a "it's him or me" situation in much clearer terms by reducing the number of wagons in play. If he is trying something weird with the voting, then his point that he will confirm himself before DP3 doesn't make a whole lot of sense, either.
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What's confusing is the conflicting things you and wf be saying, seems like I'm missing what's being said
Consistency is the hobgoblin of weak mines. 

Quote by Woody Allen or some other useless idiot
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Here is the post I was mentioning

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8860-u-s-governors-mafia-dp1?page=10&post_number=237
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I still just don't buy it. I get your point that RM has been trying to push for votes against him, 
Why he focus on votes against him then votes against his supposed scum read?
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No one agrees with his perspective of my past play, which is the entire basis on which his case against me rests. 
This whole DP is confusing since it's been dominated by RM's perception of how you play + RM's conflict with WyIted with the whole role thing
All Ik is the gambit with RM is getting votes to him/you + potentially WyIted and me

I understand that tactic, but just believing that RM is town doesn't mean his VTL makes sense. If you don't agree with his logic, don't just parrot him because you think he's town. I think he's likely town, but that doesn't mean I'm voting for either you or WyIted by default.
Good point, RM's perception alone isn't enough to vote you, going with someone I believe as town isn't an optimal way to play but I'm willing to believe RM since he usually reads right, anyone you willing to vote in now? 

He straight up admitted that he doesn't know how to read me in DP1 back in post #34.

This explains why the accusation against you feels so shakey

I'm honestly just not interested in engaging with this tunnel vision RM at this stage, so I haven't been as involved when he's the one dominating the posts
I highly dislike the flow of this game, we need change it, focusing in on substantive things, but I'm not seeing anything substantial 
How do you feel about WyIted accusing RM of backtracking/lying? WyIted is saying RM is setting up to backtrack 
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Like I said, I think that's about a desire to get a heads-up vote between him and someone else. At this point, he seems driven to make it between me and him, but he keeps trying to do it with other people one at a time for the same reason. Like I said, though, the main thing that doesn't make sense with your version of it is his earlier statement about confirming himself by DP3. If he really could do something, he could potentially confirm his role immediately, or at least by the end of this DP. Not sure why he'd give that timeframe if that was the case.
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I did read that, that's the post you made above me when we both talked about RM goating people to vote him/wf, the posts that made Barney think we might be scum partners  


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 statement about confirming himself by DP3
Maybe it's soft-locked until then 
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@whiteflame
he seems driven to make it between me and him
To me it looks like he isn't going all in against you, only making it look that way
I've seen RM go fully all in against you in DP2 in MMA mafia, this isn't going fully all in, I saw absolute conviction I don't see in this game
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RM's play/gambit leaves me in confusion
Idk what to place wf in, he seems to be playing reasonable, same with sa 
WyIted calling back to the post above mine is helpful
Nothing is substantive enough in my mind to vote, the only one playing anti-town to me is bk
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Good point, RM's perception alone isn't enough to vote you, going with someone I believe as town isn't an optimal way to play but I'm willing to believe RM since he usually reads right, anyone you willing to vote in now? 
If I had to choose at this point, it would be between Best.Korea and badger. I'd favor the former because badger at least promises later activity and I hate to make decisions based largely on inactivity. The early choices Best.Korea made and the decision to soft-claim then just outright claim his character didn't make sense from any perspective. It struck me as opportunistic, using the fact that someone else had mentioned Whitmer to "confirm" himself.

I highly dislike the flow of this game, we need change it, focusing in on substantive things, but I'm not seeing anything substantial 
How do you feel about WyIted accusing RM of backtracking/lying? WyIted is saying RM is setting up to backtrack 
I'm not a fan, either. I think the conflict between WyIted and RM looks mainly like a clash of styles. It's not quite as bombastic as Pie/RM fights were in previous games, but it's similar in that there's a mutual accusation and both sides are basing their views off of weak theories. If RM backtracks, we can talk about it then.

To me it looks like he isn't going all in against you, only making it look that way
I've seen RM go fully all in against you in DP2 in MMA mafia, this isn't going fully all in, I saw absolute conviction I don't see in this game
To his credit, he's discussing other people in this game while keeping his focus squarely on me. That's improvement. He's considering other votes, even if he's got a clear preference. That being said, I think he's still trying to limit options as much as possible so that he gets his way, he's just taking a different track to get there.
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I will just out as clearly Wylted is deadset on fucking up yhe entire sotuation.

I cannot be hammered today unless 9, yes 9, votes are against me. The -3 votes against me changes by +1 for every eliminated player, even if they are dead. At mylo, which I won't be notified of being present, my role is deactivated so I would be hammered at the normal amount. This leads me to want to out earlier anyway.

My governor is one who won very large, no close votes and has won more than once. I will out him when needed.

I now want whiteflame to out. Feel free to test my role. I am concerned mafia have someone who has more than 1 vote weight. So keep it at 7, not 8. There may also be a hated (inverse of me) player amongst Town to balance me out. I forgot my exact role name so will check PMs right now, I am saying this all from memory.
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My role is called Senator. That is why I did not remember, it is political so it merged with the governor theme to me in my memory.
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Even if they get killed I meant, as in it doesn't take lynches but even kills will reduce my -3.
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I want whiteflame to out now.
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Show me a game with WF as Town where he does not get panicky when people reveal things about their identity in the theme or role.
Conspiracy Theory mafia DP1.
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I think we should test RM's role. There doesn't seem to be any downside to doing so, and I think we have enough time to do it and still organize a DP1 lynch. It would normally take 6 votes to lynch someone, so that's how many votes we will need to test it. That being said, we absolutely should not hammer. If anyone hammers RM while his role is being tested, they will be lynched.

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Let's get RM to 6 votes to test his role.
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  1. Once wf gets involved he is very intense and confrontational, challenging anything Town haphazardly dies.
  2. Other than GP, we revealed barely anything and WF was skeptical about even that. Here we are revealing 2 th8ngs per player and Austin's out should be alarming WF. Also WF forced a 'good to see GP playing to his meta' remark that he nearly never does as Town, he just ignores GP outing pretty much such as in that game.

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Austin's out should be alarming WF.
You keep saying that. When has he actually been alarmed by that kind of thing before? I looked through his games for the past year and didn't see anything like that.
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The site is going offline for hours at any given time so I am not sure it is feasible. We have only 5 active, including me. I want wf voted.


But for the sake of it, vtl RM
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Dude on the game you linked to, look at his demeanour. Look how he is the next day phase too. His entire mood and temperament are different.
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The site is going offline for hours at any given time so I am not sure it is feasible.
I forgot about that. That could put us in a bit of a time crunch. I pinged active players hoping we could do it quickly.
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Stop at 7 people though, I am sure mafia has a +1 vote weight member among them to cancel me out.
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