It's obvious that people can choose not to perceive reality in truth, the fact that there is one reality, doesn't mean people can't choose to perceive it falsely.
Simply claiming something is real isn’t sufficient; it requires proof, what proof do you have to validate your claim.
if there were actual evidence, then we wouldn't need faith, proving the bible to be false.
I look at the details, but details like that of what you are bringing up, is basic common knowledge. You are conflating basic common knowledge for an argument.
The proof is that a lot of things point to the idea of a God, a lot of things point to the idea of Jesus rising from the dead, and faith is the only requirement for heaven, and I have faith. Faith being described in the bible like that is evidence within itself, because if there were actual evidence, then we wouldn't need faith, proving the bible to be false.
This is some serious mental gymnastics: if any supernatural claim in the bible could be proven factual, it would somehow...invalidate the bible...?
Can you talk about some "things" that "point to" the "idea of God / Jesus"?
The translational difference is not common knowledge and you don't look at details if you don't look at the words. You are confusing a general sense for an in-depth understanding.
That a lot of things point to the idea of a God and that a lot of things point to the idea of Jesus rising from the dead, isn’t proof. Can you name one of those things that gives definitive proof of God’s existence or of the resurrection.
If you are arguing from a position of faith I can accept that but faith isn’t an objective reality, it is the acceptance of a subjective reality.
General sense is something that is something everyone agrees on and makes sense. And in-depth understanding is something that is beyond that. You understand?
I am interested in something beyond what you think "everyone agrees on." If there are translational differences, then not everyone agrees on it. You seem to ignore that.
It seems you are unable to provide any proof to substantiate the reality you claim exists. It exists simply because you say it does and I can’t ague against that as such reasoning can be used to establish anything no matter how absurd.
How are you all this incompetent.
I thought I was debating adults, not incoherent children.
Your profile states;About me: "I want to have civilized debates about modern conflicts with rational people".I have seen no childish comments or questions from a single member on this thread. Why do you believe that we are all childish, incompetent and irrational?
People perceive things in different ways, but it doesn't make those perceptions right.
I can't.But I do base it off of a lot of factual evidence. And when one sees a pattern, one tends to follow.
Very true. How are you reasonably certain that yours are right and mine are wrong? Or, do you simply concede that your perception is as likely to be errant as the next guy's and move on?
I imagine that much of this evidence is open to speculation, but even so evidence is not proof, proof requires evidence but evidence doesn’t necessarily constitute as proof and can be contested, whereas proof can’t, it is a position of absolute fact and one if used in debate attracts the burden of proof.
Because I have faith. And I have experienced God's presence. Can you prove God doesn't exist? No, no you can't. I can ask the same question.
Jonah and the Whale, Noah's Ark and the biblical flood are not true accounts per se.There have been cases today of men being swallowed by large fish, not whales, and surviving.Really? can you give me an example or two?And were they inside of one for three days and nights praying to god?
Your profile states;About me: "I want to have civilized debates about modern conflicts with rational people".I have seen no childish comments or questions from a single member on this thread. Why do you believe that we are all childish, incompetent and irrational?Yes my profile does state that.Your comments are childish, in the sense when you lose an argument you revert to insults.
Well we are in a debate arguing over the BOP so that kinda ruins the whole conversation lol.
What does this have to do with Trump?
This is not the point of this forem. I'm not debating proof for God. I am debating what Christianity means and is.
