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DemonRATS and the corruption/hypocrisy of Biden Crime Family coming to fruition.
Biden caught hiding classified documents for six years!!! LOL!!! Hypocrites R Us = Dems
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FOUR different sets of classified documents found. What an idiot.
Mark Levin destroys the lefts narrative on the Biden Classified Documents SCANDAL!!!!!
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@ILikePie5
Are you implying this is okay?
Never thought the rabid left would exonerate the orangeman like that!
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@TWS1405_2
Mark Levin destroys the lefts narrative on the Biden Classified Documents SCANDAL!!!!!
Cut it off at the 3 minute mark after James Comer began spouting January 6th conspiracy theories immediately after admitting he had no evidence for them.
To that point the only argument made was 'every president takes classified documents home, only Trump was searched'. Even if this were a valid point, it has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's purposeful withholding and concealing the documents once informed they were too be given back. And it certainly does nothing to as aid the whataboutism tirade the political right is engaging in over this.
Perhaps you could, I don't know, explain what you actually mean? You know, type words and string them together to form sentences in a coherent way to communicate your thoughts so the rest of us can tell what you're talking about?
*Queue the "dUh yoUrE sTUpiD" reply*
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@Double_R
Until you watch the entirety of the video…you’re comment is out of context and wholeheartedly unsubstantiated subjective opinion, not worth replying to at this point.
More hypocrisy exposed on the part of corrupt Biden and the various angles on this classified documents scandal.
Ok, let's look at the facts:
Trump:
Trump had documents, in his house yes. But he didn't deny that he did. The only reason his lawyers took action, was because it was an unjust search for something that they had no evidence of. They didn't even ask Trump if he did have those documents. I bet you if they asked him then he would have handed them over. They found "top secret" files in his house, yet they don't specify what type of "top secret" files they are.
In our great country of the USA, no one is above the law. That means that no one is allowed to abuse their power to raid someone's house, off of no evidence. Trump is still a US citizen.
Here's a thought. What if this story was different. What if Trump was in office, and out of nowhere, raided Obamas house and found classified documents as well? Now that would be a very different story. The justice department literally refused to show footage of the raid. Why?
Now I will be unbiased, as well, and say that for all we know, those documents could have been dangerous. No one is denying that. Not even Trump. But this isn't just about the raid, it is about comparing.
Biden:
Biden was also just recently found with classified documents in his house in Delaware. Now, unlike the Trump case, the FBI knew about this, and didn't lay a finger on him. Also, he hasn't been prosecuted in any way. So much for no one is above the law. And Biden has even admitted that he kept classified documents in his corvette, and outside of his house. He openly admitted to keeping classified documents in his possession, in his house, and outside his house, yet the FBI have yet to do a single thing about it.
So, let's compare:
No one had any evidence of there being classified documents in Trumps house, yet it was raided, and Trump was convicted.
Everyone knows about Biden having classified documents in his house, yet no one has done a single thing about it.
Again, this whole thing is about no one being above the law. That means that even the president is subject to the same penalties as Trump was.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Trump had documents, in his house yes. But he didn't deny that he did
The second is that, through it all, there’s plenty of evidence that Trump and his advisers have falsely claimed — and that Trump himself sought to have his lawyers falsely claim — that all such documents had been turned over:
- The most prominent example is a sworn statement signed by Trump lawyer Christina Bobb in June, when Trump’s legal team handed over some documents. It said that a “diligent search was conducted” and that “any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.”
- The Washington Post’s Jacqueline Alemany and Josh Dawsey also reported this week that Trump in early 2022 asked his lawyer Alex Cannon to tell the Archives that all materials sought by the agency had been returned. But Cannon refused. Trump later released a public statement that didn’t include the assertion that everything had been returned.
- Alemany, Dawsey and Helderman reported last month that former Trump deputy White House counsel Pat Philbin had provided a similar assurance to the Archives as far back as September 2021. Philbin said that former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows had told him none of the material Trump took was sensitive or classified, and that Trump only had 12 boxes of news clippings.
The only reason his lawyers took action, was because it was an unjust search for something that they had no evidence of.
The Wall Street Journal and Newsweek reported Thursday that the FBI’s raid on Mar-A-Lago came after a confidential source told investigators “there may be still more classified documents at the private club.”
They didn't even ask Trump if he did have those documents.
See above
I bet you if they asked him then he would have handed them over.
See above
Now, unlike the Trump case, the FBI knew about this, and didn't lay a finger on him.
The point isn't that both had classified documents in their possession. The point is the Trump was not compliant with requests to return the documents, and Biden was. That was the reason for the raid.
So, let's compare:No one had any evidence of there being classified documents in Trumps house, yet it was raided, and Trump was convicted.Everyone knows about Biden having classified documents in his house, yet no one has done a single thing about it.Again, this whole thing is about no one being above the law. That means that even the president is subject to the same penalties as Trump was.
So in summary,
- There *was* evidence of there being classified documents in Trump's house.
- The situations are not equivalent, which is the difference in disparity in how they are being treated. Why would the FBI raid someone who is already complying with all demands?
Apart from this
- Trump has not actually been convicted of anything.
- Merrick Garland has announced a special investigation into Biden's handling of the documents, so the assertion that nothing is being done is false.
- The current sitting president is NOT subject to the same penalties as a private citizen is. Trump has been caught with classified documents as a private citizen. Biden is currently the President. The remedy for Presidents is impeachment, removal and THEN subjection to penalties
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@dustryder
The current sitting president is NOT subject to the same penalties as a private citizen is
Why?
Why is he above the law?
And better yet.
Why haven't they convicted his son of any of his crimes that he has openly admitted.
The point isn't that both had classified documents in their possession. The point is the Trump was not compliant with requests to return the documents, and Biden was. That was the reason for the raid.
So, they couldn't just send someone over to retrieve the documents? It's not like he had them at gunpoint telling them to leave. They didn't have to raid his house.
Merrick Garland has announced a special investigation into Biden's handling of the documents, so the assertion that nothing is being done is false.
There is no need for a special investigation. Biden has openly admitted that he had those documents, and that they were just laying all over his property. Why the need for an investigation?
The current sitting president is NOT subject to the same penalties as a private citizen is. Trump has been caught with classified documents as a private citizen. Biden is currently the President. The remedy for Presidents is impeachment, removal and THEN subjection to penalties
So, you admit that Biden should be impeached?
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@YouFound_Lxam
Have you not read a word of this thread? This has all been explained multiple times by multiple users. Dustryder has already explained much of the basics so I won't go into detail on too much of that, I'll just summarize, again.
Both men were found to have possession of classified documents which rightfully belonged to the US government.
That's where the similarities end.
The reason Trump is in serious legal jeapordy and facing severe political backlash over this is because he refused to turn over the documents and lied to federal investigators
- In May 2021 after receiving a subpoena for the documents he previously refused to turn over, Trump ordered the documents moved to a new location
- In June 2021 after an FBI visit in which some documents were confiscated, Trump's lawyer signed an affadavit claiming there were no more documents being held
None of this applies to Biden. His team learned of the documents, and without being asked, immediately contacted NARA and turned them over.
These are two completely different scenarios, and so they should be handled completely differently. If you look at the charges the DoJ is reportedly pursuing against Trump, they're all for lying and obstructing the investigation. None of the pending charges have anything to do with possession of classified documents.
And what makes this "Trump would have complied" excuse so absurd is that everything about Trump's actions tell us the opposite.
First, it wasn't a raid, it was an executed search warrant. Those are not the same thing, but Trump keeps lying and saying he was raided to further slander the FBI.
When the FBI confiscated the documents, Trump publicly claimed the FBI planted them.
Trump would then spend months claiming the documents were actually his personal property and sued to stop the FBI from even being able to look at them.
To claim these are the actions of a man who respects law enforcement and was ready and willing to comply is just flat out ridiculous. Trump's actions after the executed search warrant are, at least politically, just as terrible and newsworthy as anything he did before it.
And again, nothing even remotely similar to anything of this can be said about Biden. These two things are not the same.
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@TWS1405_2
Until you watch the entirety of the video…you’re comment is out of context and wholeheartedly unsubstantiated subjective opinion, not worth replying to at this point.
Translation: I have no intelligent response to offer so I'm just going to pretend I'm superior to you to make myself feel better and not look like an ass.
Perhaps this is the first debate site you've even been a part of so let me give you a TIP: if you want to communicate a point, especially to those who disagree with you, you actually need to type words. I know, crazy thought.
Fake news, yuge conspiracy, witch hunt, Biden should just declare that he is a stable genius and move on.
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@Sidewalker
Biden just needs more people to sniff his hair obviously.
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@Double_R
Until you watch the entirety of the video…you’re comment is out of context and wholeheartedly unsubstantiated subjective opinion, not worth replying to at this point.Translation: I have no intelligent response to offer so I'm just going to pretend I'm superior to you to make myself feel better and not look like an ass.
Your intellectual coward psychological projection knows no bounds.
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@TWS1405_2
Can't you just agree to disagree with him without all the adhoms?
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@Greyparrot
Adjectives ≠ Nouns. They describe his behavior. Not calling him names. And why aren’t you asking him the same? He’s using nouns.
Pence caught with classified documents he was hiding for years, Lol
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@IwantRooseveltagain
He wasn’t hiding them. Doesn’t matter. He took the proactive step to look, found a few and quickly handed them over. One location. Not five with complete and open access to them, By anyone.
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@ILikePie5
@YouFound_Lxam
@TWS1405_2
So now that there are 3 former office holders who have been found to have had classified documents they shouldn’t have had, are you guys still pretending that there’s no difference between Trump and the rest of them? Are we still pretending that we can’t see the similarities between Biden and Pence which do not apply to Trump?
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@Double_R
So now that there are 3 former office holders who have been found to have had classified documents they shouldn’t have had, are you guys still pretending that there’s no difference between Trump and the rest of them? Are we still pretending that we can’t see the similarities between Biden and Pence which do not apply to Trump?
All three are different in certain ways. Even between Pence and Biden, the FBI/DOJ didn’t use the same procedure (guess who was favored)
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@Double_R
Pence and Biden were VPs at the time they acquired the documents and took them home. Why is the real question, but given the fact Biden took very specific documents that shed light on his illegal and corrupt dealings with foreign governments (e.g., China), it is obvious his reasoning is nefarious. Pence, on the other hand, is yet to be determined. I’ll wait until I hear more on that.
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@TWS1405_2
Doesn’t matter. He took the proactive step to look, found a few and quickly handed them over.
That’s exactly what Biden did you moron. No wonder you’re unemployed - who would hire such an idiot.
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@TWS1405_2
but given the fact Biden took very specific documents that shed light on his illegal and corrupt dealings with foreign governments (e.g., China), it is obvious his reasoning is nefarious.
That’s a lie. But you are a known liar and moron.
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@ILikePie5
All three are different in certain ways. Even between Pence and Biden, the FBI/DOJ didn’t use the same procedure (guess who was favored)
I wasn’t asking about the FBI. I was asking about the three individuals being investigated, what they did to capture the attention of those investigating them, and whether the differences between them are more obvious now that the actions of two of them are essentially identical while the other is the complete opposite.
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@TWS1405_2
Pence and Biden were VPs at the time they acquired the documents and took them home. Why is the real question
Why each of them took the documents home is certainly an important question. So what do we know so far? Well, all three individuals had their documents moved by aides from a location where they had business viewing them to a location where they didn’t.
In the case of Biden and Pence, the number of documents taken was small, so they very well could have gotten mixed up with the rest. We therefore have no reason to invent some nefarious purpose to explain it since an inadvertent misplacing of said documents is a pretty mundane answer which covers it.
In the case of Trump, the number of documents taken was not small, at all. It’s really not conceivable that Trump didn’t know he had them, and that’s before we get to the facts which not only tell us he was fully aware he had them, but that he intentionally hid them from federal authorities after being asked for them back.
When faced with this obvious and significant difference. You continue to assert that Trump was president and therefore had the authority to declassify them. But you assert this without any evidence he actually did, nor do you provide any explanation as to how this is at all relevant to the question; what was he doing with these documents?
So we have two individuals who easily could have had them by accident and gave them back upon discovery without being asked, and a third who knew he had them while lying to the authorities telling them he didn’t. But you feel the need to question why the first two had the documents and not the third?
Why?
but given the fact Biden took very specific documents that shed light on his illegal and corrupt dealings with foreign governments
This is entirely made up. You do not know what was in the documents, all we have are vague unconfirmed reports of what the documents were in relation to. And in the process of drawing your own dots to complete your conspiracy theory you dismiss the fact that even if these reports are accurate, the Obama administration gave Biden a Secretary of State level involvement and responsibilities with regards to foreign policy, so there is nothing remarkable at all about the documents found in Biden’s possession to pertain to the nations he dealt with as VP. In fact it’s exactly what any rational person would expect.
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@Double_R
I wasn’t asking about the FBI. I was asking about the three individuals being investigated, what they did to capture the attention of those investigating them, and whether the differences between them are more obvious now that the actions of two of them are essentially identical while the other is the complete opposite.
Lol Trump was President. Pence as VP could declassify documents that he had classified in the first place. Biden as a Senator could not declassify. Guess who was treated the best?
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@ILikePie5
Lol Trump was President. Pence as VP could declassify documents that he had classified in the first place. Biden as a Senator could not declassify. Guess who was treated the best?
So to be clear, refusing to hand over documents that belong to the government after they were subpoenaed, and then lying to the government saying that the documents were returned when they were not… are not legitimate grounds for legal and political backlash. Instead, the mere retention of classified documents is the only thing that should be in consideration here.
Is that really your position?