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@dustryder
I suppose it will be the same when Trump orders the FBI to raid Biden's house in a few years I guess.
Biden caught hiding classified documents for six years!!! LOL!!! Hypocrites R Us = Dems
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@Greyparrot
You'd first have to demonstrate that Biden ordered such a thing, and even then it'd still be missing the component where a subpoena was ignored
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@Greyparrot
Ok, in that case you'd have to demonstrate that Biden appointed such a person.
A warrant that empowers agents to collect documents with classified markings had nothing to do with a subpoena that ordered the handover of said documents with classified markings? Uh.. ok.
I mean Trump, doesn't actually have to order anything. Just appoint a rabid partisan as the Attorney General and declare plausible ignorance of everything. That is the standard mode for Washington DC. The warrant had nothing to do with the subpoena so it also won't have anything to do with a warrant to raid Biden's house on possible suspicion. Not that it matters because the public won't be allowed to see the documents leading to the warrant anyway.
The sword of the FBI has 2 edges as long as the public is okay with the current state of the state police.
There are only 2 positions to hold on the FBI raid, that it's either OK to have unnamed sources declare documents to be in jeopardy to warrant a raid on the homes of politicians, or it is NOT OK.
Since most people are okay with this, then it will be the new normal.
It's time to wake up from the dreamworld that corruption in DC began and ended with Trump.
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@dustryder
Nothing was ignored. Trump was told to keep the documents locked in the area in which they were secured. They knew where they were. They didn’t have to raid the place. All they had to do was ask to come over.
Regardless… your rebuttal is moot. The issue is the handling AND authority to even have the documents. Trump was POTUS, Biden was VP. Guess which one had unilateral declassification authority and which one had zero authority to even possess classified documents. THAT is the issue!!!!!!
Only thing that is bizarre here is your denialism of the truth.
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@TWS1405_2
Nothing was ignored. Trump was told to keep the documents locked in the area in which they were secured. They knew where they were. They didn’t have to raid the place. All they had to do was ask to come over.
Regardless… your rebuttal is moot. The issue is the handling AND authority to even have the documents. Trump was POTUS, Biden was VP. Guess which one had unilateral declassification authority and which one had zero authority to even possess classified documents. THAT is the issue!!!!!!
These are lies. Trump was not told to “keep the documents”. Trump was NOT President when he left the White House with the documents. Trump didn’t declassify any documents (no you can’t declassify documents just by thinking about it) and Trump and his lawyers lied to the archives people and the FBI about having the documents. As usual you are full of shit LCpl Kirk. You have no idea what was found in Biden’s possession because it hasn’t been reported yet. We do know the number and type of documents Trump had mishandled. So stop talking out of your ass.
“If Trump had returned all the missing documents when the Archives first requested them, that would have been the end of the matter. It became a criminal matter “only because Trump and his lawyers delayed at first and then obstructed,” - Mark Zaid
Prosecutors have asked a judge to hold Trump’s representatives in contempt for not fully complying with the subpoena, according to the New York Times.
- Mark S. Zaid is the founding Partner of Mark S. Zaid, PC. He often represents former/current federal employees, intelligence and military officers, whistleblowers and others who have grievances or have been wronged by agencies of the United States Government or foreign governments. Moreover, Mr. Zaid regularly represents members of the media. Of note, Mr. Zaid teaches the D.C. Bar Continuing Legal Education classes on “Defending Security Clearances” and “The Basics of Filing and Litigating Freedom of Information/Privacy Act Requests”. He has been named as a Washington, D.C. Super Lawyer every year since he was profiled in 2009, as well as a “Best Lawyer” by Washingtonian Magazine in 2009, 2011, 2013, and 2015 (issued bi-annually), for his national security work. As the National Law Journal once wrote, “if Agent Mulder ever needed a lawyer, Zaid would be his man
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@TWS1405_2
Nothing was ignored. Trump was told to keep the documents locked in the area in which they were secured. They knew where they were. They didn’t have to raid the place. All they had to do was ask to come over.
And yet classified documents were found after a subpoena was issued for their return and after Trump had stated all such documents had been returned. What is that if not ignoring?
Regardless… your rebuttal is moot. The issue is the handling AND authority to even have the documents. Trump was POTUS, Biden was VP. Guess which one had unilateral declassification authority and which one had zero authority to even possess classified documents. THAT is the issue!!!!!!
This is nonsensical given that BOTH of them should not have retained the documents. The main point of comparison then is the handling of the documents once it was discovered that they should not of had them.
“If prosecutors can show probable cause that additional classified documents may be stored at Biden’s home or other properties, they can obtain a search warrant from a judge. In Trump’s case, prosecutors developed evidence that the former president had not complied with a grand jury subpoena seeking return of all classified documents.“
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@ILikePie5
The President can declassify any material at any point in time. The VP cannot.
Does the President have to do anything to declassify documents?
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@ILikePie5
They found the second batch in his garage lmao. Talk about secure
A second batch? A second batch of what exactly?
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@TWS1405_2
Regardless… your rebuttal is moot. The issue is the handling AND authority to even have the documents. Trump was POTUS, Biden was VP. Guess which one had unilateral declassification authority and which one had zero authority to even possess classified documents. THAT is the issue!!!!!!
Wrong again. You don’t know what you’re talking about as usual.
Did Biden as vice president have classification authority? Not only did Biden have the authority to posses classified documents, he had the authority to classify and declassify documents.
Under Obama’s executive order, the vice president has original classification authority. Biden, while vice president, had the right to declassify material if he had classified the material in the first place.
“You can hopefully see how the Biden document disclosure differs in both scale and significance. Again, we don’t know all of the details of the Biden document production, so this assessment may change. But there’s no indication at this point either that the scale of information withheld from the government is as large or — more importantly — that Biden or his team endeavored to hide the documents from the Justice Department. There was no affidavit signed by Biden lawyers claiming that the closet at the Penn Biden Center no longer contained any classified documents before such documents were uncovered. There was no effort by Biden to argue publicly that he had given the government everything it wanted even though he hadn’t; in fact, there’s no indication the government was even looking for these documents in the first place”
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Does the President have to do anything to declassify documents?
The law is unclear in that matter. The courts would decide. However, if he wants to tell a person who doesn’t have the clearance, he still can. He has the sole authority to declassify.
A second batch? A second batch of what exactly?
Classified documents
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@ILikePie5
The law is unclear in that matter
Bullshit. It’s only unclear to Trumpers.
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@ILikePie5
Classified documents
Really? Are you sure? What classification were they, Top Secret? Did Biden classify these documents? As VP he had the authority of original classification and declassification in such a case.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Bullshit. It’s only unclear to Trumpers.
Please point to the US Code where it says the President cannot declassify something by just telling someone without the clearance.
Really? Are you sure? What classification were they, Top Secret? Did Biden classify these documents? As VP he had the authority of original classification and declassification in such a case.
What? Even the Attorney General admitted they found classified documents. Idk what classification they were because of the lack of transparency. Idk if Joe originally classified them or not cause again, Merrick Garland won’t tell us.
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@ILikePie5
Who woulda thunk Joe Biden would be the one to create such a corrupt administration that nobody would ever trust the government ever again.
Enjoy the congressional investigations into the FBI.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
--> @ILikePie5They found the second batch in his garage lmao. Talk about secureA second batch? A second batch of what exactly
You being obtuse on purpose, or are you really truly that dense!?!
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@ILikePie5
Please provide statutory law that says he cannot do that?
Please show me the rule that says the Dallas Cowboy’s kicker cannot be a donkey.
Like I said, this is the level of stupidity we have to bring ourselves down to to defend Donald Trump. No rational human being would accept the idea that Trump can declassify documents with his mind. And even if he could, Biden could re-classify them just the same, so once those documents were found in Mar-A-Lago, citizen Trump is in violation.
Two can play this silly little game.
Lmao do you seriously believe classified documents were planted by people in Biden’s garage and office at UPenn?
What I implied is that Biden didn’t move the documents from his VP office, where he was authorized to have them, to hoss private office himself so it’s conceivable they were moved by someone else who didn’t realize them. But we don’t know how they got there, that’s the point. We do with Trump, and you don’t give a damn about that.
Are you going to stop denying the fact that the Biden DoJ raided the private residence of his top political opponent when attorneys were cooperating with Justice Department officials?
The FBI subpoenaed those documents in May, and after receiving it Trump ordered the documents to be moved to a new location.
And in June 3rd where you are dishonestly trying to claim the FBI just showed up and said everything was fine if he just added some additional security, his own lawyer signed an affidavit claiming that the documents the FBI took that day was the last of the classified materials Trump was in possession of.
You’re either ignorant or just plain lying. Trump wasn’t cooperating. He even tried to argue that the documents were his and tried to sue to have them given back to him. He spent months trying to stop the DOJ from being able to see them.
There is no way you are being serious.
Neither do you. If you did you wouldn’t be having this double standard that Biden did nothing wrong because he didn’t know about.
I have made clear since the start of this thread that Biden has some very serious questions to answer but that my issue here is the brazen hypocrisy of yourself and others who has not a word to say when Trump was found to be hoarding literally hundreds of classified documents in his golf resort but all of a sudden take issue with Biden being found to have had any 12 documents in 3 different places. And that’s before we get to the rest of the story which once again, is the story here.
Neither Biden nor Trump were on the ballot anywhere this cycle and it is not the job of the DOJ to tell the public every time a public official does something unsettling. This is an incredibly silly point.Lol it just shows the political corruption plaguing the Justice Department.
No, it shows how partisanship warps people’s minds to the point where someone who actually understands how our institutions are supposed to work suddenly thinks it’s the job of the DOJ to put out a press release every time they learn that a public official did a no-no.
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@TWS1405_2
You being obtuse on purpose, or are you really truly that dense!?!
Another quality intellectual reply from TWS1405_2
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Really? Are you sure? What classification were they, Top Secret? Did Biden classify these documents? As VP he had the authority of original classification and declassification in such a case.
The documents Joe Biden was found to have weren’t classified, Obama de-classified them with his mind as he left the White House.
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@Double_R
Truth hurt? Clearly it just. Intellectual
Cowards that you both are.
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@ILikePie5
Please point to the US Code where it says the President cannot declassify something by just telling someone without the clearance.
He told someone? Who did he tell? Melania? Stormy Daniels?
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@Double_R
You know, TWS is a big Star Trek fan. Isn’t that surprising?
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@ILikePie5
What? Even the Attorney General admitted they found classified documents. Idk what classification they were because of the lack of transparency. Idk if Joe originally classified them or not cause again, Merrick Garland won’t tell us.
So you have no idea what the facts are. You don’t know what you are talking about.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So you have no idea what the facts are. You don’t know what you are talking about.
Classified documents were found in a garage. That’s all there is to it. Are you implying this is okay?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
@Double_R
You know, TWS is a big Star Trek fan. Isn’t that surprising?
Like ALL intellectual cowards, being up anything and everything that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand as a measure of asinine childish deflection.
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@Double_R
@TWS1405_2
Like ALL intellectual cowards, being up anything and everything that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand as a measure of asinine childish deflection.
He thinks hes an cult agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. thinks hes working for the federation of the Trumpian, Planets of the Gods.
I know, it is just a phase their going through. Teenagers do become mature adults, or so we hope. not always the case.
Now where were we. Oh yeah, that devil Biden out to destroy the feddration of the Trumpian Planets of the Gods.
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@ebuc
Another sophomorically banal intellectual coward retort. Can’t prove me wrong, so you pull this childish stunt. Typical.