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@Tarik
Go ahead then and demonstrate objective morality.
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@Best.Korea
Go ahead then and demonstrate objective morality.
That’s done in the afterlife.
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@Best.Korea
There cannot be multiple truths and simultaneously multiple moralities because with all of the “truths” that could eventually be generated, they will begin to contradict each other.
It is impossible for truth to contradict itself, otherwise the “truth” would then be incorrect and thus a falsehood
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@Tarik
If you cannot demonstrate objective morality with an example, then there is no reason to believe it exists.
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@Best.Korea
If you cannot demonstrate objective morality with an example, then there is no reason to believe it exists.
Somebody that lives a life that leads to eternal bliss is an example of objective morality.
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@Skipper_Sr
I'm curious though,
Why the topic? What's the draw, the reason you think on it?
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"Am I held to moral or ethical standards that would say I need to strive to not be unhealthy? Obesity? Addictions?" - Skipper_Sr
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@Tarik
"Somebody that lives a life that leads to eternal bliss is an example of objective morality."
"Eternal bliss = good" is the value located in your brain.
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@Best.Korea
"Eternal bliss = good" is the value located in your brain.
What’s your point?
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@Tarik
If the value is in your brain, it is not objective.
Objectivity is not influenced by feelings or opinions.
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@Best.Korea
If the value is in your brain, it is not objective.
Not according to Google’s definition of the word
Objective- (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
In order to consider and represent facts, one must use there brain.
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@Tarik
If values in the brain are objective, then all morality is objective.
So if someone has value "murder = good", then murder is objectively good by your standards.
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@Tarik
"Objective- (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."
Again, the value "eternal bliss = good" is your feeling and opinion. And the example that you provided depends on it. So your morality is influenced by your opinion that you have in your head. There is nothing objective about it.
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@Best.Korea
So if someone has value "murder = good", then murder is objectively good by your standards.
No, because sole murder doesn’t lead to (what I referenced before) eternal bliss.
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@Tarik
"No, because murder doesn’t lead to (what I referenced before) eternal bliss."
Again, "eternal bliss = good" is your opinion. A person who thinks "murder = good" and doesnt share your opinion would have no objective reason to think that murder is objectively wrong.
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@Best.Korea
Again, "eternal bliss = good" is your opinion.
No it’s a fact, bliss is synonymous with happiness and when you Google the definition of happy good is among the synonyms, there’s nothing opinionated about semantics.
There cannot be an objective morality without a perfect standard
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@Tarik
"bliss is synonymous with happiness and when you Google the definition of happy good is among the synonyms"
If you define "good" as "happy", then:
Happiness is your feeling. Your morality is based on your feelings.
Same way someone finds eternal happiness in murdering someone.
So murder is objectively good?
Morality depends on values.Values are located in our brains and are subject to our opinion.So people can have different moral systems based on what they value, be it life, health, joy or none of those.
"Objective morality, in the simplest terms, is the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation. Some people may think of objective morality as religious commandments, while other people may think the universe has some objective rules we may follow independent of our religious beliefs."
There is one moral system that people can chose to follow, or not follow.
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@Best.Korea
Same way someone finds eternal happiness in murdering someone.
Did you not read post #43?
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@Lemming
I'm curious though,Why the topic? What's the draw, the reason you think on it?
I thought this would be an interesting conversation starter on the website. It certainly has had a lot of posts, what with everyone arguing against Best.Korea. LOL
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@Best.Korea
@Skipper_Sr
1 unit + 1 unit = 6 therefore 1 = 3.
1 unit + 1 unit = 4 therefore 1 = 2
Therefore 1 + 1 = 5
All that is required is a thought/electro-chemical data processing.
I would suggest that concepts are no more or less this process, and by their very nature are variable, modifiable and always subjective.
I would further suggest that we also possess pre-programmed data/instinct, wherein lies our desire to survive.
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@Tarik
I did read it. If you can base your morality on a made up after life, then so can everyone else with their own version.
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@Best.Korea
If you can base your morality on a made up after life
Why do you think the afterlife is made up?
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@Skipper_Sr
It is a bit interesting I'd say,
Though conversations slipped a track.
My own view being, it as an ought, winnows it down, as all oughts, to the fulfillment of a value.
Something to be attained that is,
There's reason to be in shape, if being in shape serves some purpose, goal, or ideal, that one values.
I think.
Not that I stay in sporty bodybuilder shape myself,
I've not the inclination, apparent or immediate need seen,
Though I'd think it a 'better action to be in better shape, 'generally,
For various reasons.
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@Tarik
Do you have proof for your version of afterlife?
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@Best.Korea
Do you have proof for your version of afterlife?
You asked me that already in post #31.
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@Tarik
You didnt prove the existence of your version of afterlife, so I ask again:
Do you have proof for your version of afterlife?
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@Best.Korea
My proof is the existence of the Bible
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@Skipper_Sr
Nice proof.
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@Best.Korea
Nice proof.
I detect a hint of sarcasm