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I would be so bold to say that by God's standard, the embracing of arbitrariness is devilsh and wicked.

I would go as far as to say that to claim such a thing violates human epistemology.

Yet, you say your standards are arbitrary.

That firmly establishes that you don't have a good sense of discernment, so your assessments can be discounted as worthless.

All standards are qualia. Qualia is subjective. All standards/qualia are subjetive. Your standards/qualia are subjective. If that means an assessment is worthless then your assessments are worthless too. I disagree though. You see quanta/facts are meaningless and we assign them meaning/quanta. One is useless to us without the other.

Quanta/facts are meaningless 

Qualia/value judgements are subjective 

Noumana/the objectively real is unknowable

What do you mean by meaningless?  What do you mean by fact?

Water freezes at thirty two degrees Fahrenheit (quanta/fact)

Snow is pretty (qualia/value judgement)

What do you mean by meaning[less]

32 degrees is just a number it is not meaningful on its own. We assign a value to it when we call it freezing. All objects have a freezing/melting point but we call 32 degrees Fahrenheit freezing. We assign the meaning.

Everything he says can be discounted as meaningless, per his own arbitrary judgement.

I'm curious, Sec, do you actually think you're ever going to get any kind of rational, reasonable response from Mopac? Like, ever?

He discounts your reasonable and rational assessments as worthless.

I honestly don't no.

Isn't it obvious? Can you give one reason or example from any of Mopac's posts that would even resemble something reasonable or rational, or at the very least, give you some incentive to pursue?

All standards are subjective including whatever standards you hold.

Nothing particularly comes to mind

The Truth is the gold standard. It is not arbitrary.

We of course see the truth from a perspective.

Yet, if Truth is the highest standard, that means that there is a right way of conducting yourself through your subjective experience. Choose truth over falsehood.

What clouds your mind? What pulls you from The Truth? What is your motivation? There is a right way of doing things.

If abiding in The Truth is the key to conducting oneself properly, arbitrariness is literally the antithesis of this.

If by truth you mean noumana that is unknowable and so is not a standard we can make judgements by. If not then you are talking about qualia (the judgements made by the observer(s). Quanta/observable facts are meaningless on their own they are nothing but cold hard data.

Unknowable?

Is it true that

You will live if you bathe in molten rock?

If my perceptions accurately reflect reality then molten lava will certanly kill me.given long enough exposure, the problem with your argument is that it contradicts your argument that my perceptions do not accurately reflect reality. 

Which is it Mopac? Make up your mind. Are my perceptions true to reality or is there no way of knowing that lava kills people or even if there are any other people that are not figment of my imagination?

Do you wish to regard physics evidence admissible in this discussion?

I will allow it provisionally if you do but I thought your whole argument hinges on our reality being less real than ultimately real.

That extreme heat and sulphur fumes will tend to do harm to humans is quanta. It is just data until their is an observer to feel horrified at the agony being experienced by itself or another being. Horror is qualia. It has meaning but is ultimately just a mental state and so likely and certainly currently immeasurable. Horror is subjective.

I'm not certain you even understand what I am trying to say. You have given no indication that you do.

You say I'm contradicting myself, but you also admit that your standards are arbitrary.

There is no reason to take anything you say seriously at this point.

All standards are subjective and yet you manage to take yourself quite seriously.

That qualia is subjective does not make quanta subjective. We can make objective statements about quanta. If we decide what quantifiable measurement to base our subjective standards on we can make objective statements based on those standards. This is only possible of course if the standard being used is observable and measurable.

There is nothing genuinely skillful or insightful about being a know it all know nothing. 

Then why do you do it?

It might be a phenomenal waste of time for me to be here at all. I could be doing other things.

Maybe I should take a long break.

By all means. Take some time... get some perspective... contemplate the difference between knowing and believing

You say men are liars.

Knowing is a distinction of belief

You can absolutely believe something with no way to know if you are right. Believing and knowing are not the same thing.