What I don’t understand about pro life republicans.

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I agree that there is a difference between killing a baby and a murderer. But do you want to treat females that get abortions like murderers? If so, this means death penalty or life in jail.
I think I already stated that no they shouldn't be treated like murderers. They need empathy, counseling and options.

  • If you kill a post born baby, you absolutely should be tried for murder and given the death penalty.
Disagreed and willing tondebate this. Please look at studies on this topic that observe this practice in 3rd world countries and study the psychology of the women doing it. I am willing to debate this.

People that murder don’t deserve empathy; they only deserve punishment. This punishment can’t be death or life in jail due to the frequency of abortion, but it needs to be proportionate to unjustly taking a life.
I am getting emotional reading this. I am pro life, but no women should not be punished. 

Have you ever taken a life? Many veterans have. Have you asked them how it feels. I have taken a life. There isn't a damn thing you can do that is going to be worse punishment than the psychological damage taking an innocent life causes. Mine wasn't intentional and it was a person who had just committed a major robbery, and I can only imagine how much worse these women feel and how they often times get an abortion in secret so they have to suffer alone. At least I had support of some people. 

This is just like the immigration debate and where conservatives go wrong. No border jumpers do not deserve punishment, they are seeking a better life fuck you. They deserve empathy and love and if we kick them back out to Mexico we should help them even off of our own soil. You stop illegal immigration by punishing employers who hire illegal aliens not by punishing border jumpers. 

You punish abortion by going after doctors not women.

Stop pissing on the little people. Aren't you abfucking christian. You think Jesus would be going after women seeking help in a tough situation or do you think Jesus would punish the doctors trying to profit off of their unfortunate circumstances? 
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I think I already stated that no they shouldn't be treated like murderers. They need empathy, counseling and options.
You don’t console murderers.  You punish them, including your friends (even if they voted for Trump; drain the swamp).

I am pro life, but no women should not be punished.
Then you’re not pro life; so don’t call yourself that.  Pro life means, “I would not get an abortion and I want abortion outlawed.  Anything and everything outlawed gets a punishment.  You might be personally pro life, politically pro choice.  Call yourself that if it’s you.  Outlawing abortion requires a punishment.

Have you ever taken a life? Many veterans have. Have you asked them how it feels. I have taken a life. There isn't a damn thing you can do that is going to be worse punishment than the psychological damage taking an innocent life causes.
Nobody important is calling to abolish veterans.  Moreover, Soliders kill because they are ordered too.  The politicians that start horrible wars deserve the death penalty.
Mine wasn't intentional and it was a person who had just committed a major robbery,
Self defense isn’t murder.

This is just like the immigration debate and where conservatives go wrong. No border jumpers do not deserve punishment, they are seeking a better life fuck you. They deserve empathy and love and if we kick them back out to Mexico we should help them even off of our own soil. You stop illegal immigration by punishing employers who hire illegal aliens not by punishing border jumpers.
I’m not a republican; I want open borders and I want buisiness owners to be encouraged to hire the undocumented so they aren’t consuming our too socialist welfare state.

Aren't you abfucking christian. You think Jesus would be going after women seeking help in a tough situation or do you think Jesus would punish the doctors trying to profit off of their unfortunate circumstances?
America is not a theocracy; what the Bible says on law doesn’t matter.  I don’t want abortion banned because of the Bible; I want it banned because of science.
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I am getting emotional reading this. 
Facts don’t care about your feelings/emotions.
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You don’t console murderers.  You punish them, including your friends (even if they voted for Trump; drain the swamp).
That's dumb. Not all murder is equal and the most acceptable form of murder that doesn't qualify as merely killing would be abortion. 

Then you’re not pro life; so don’t call yourself that. Pro life means, “I would not get an abortion and I want abortion outlawed. Anything and everything outlawed gets a punishment. You might be personally pro life, politically pro choice. Call yourself that if it’s you. Outlawing abortion requires a punishment.

I believe in outlawing abortion, but I don't think women should be punished for it. I think you enforce the law by punishing doctors exclusively.

Nobody important is calling to abolish veterans. Moreover, Soliders kill because they are ordered too. The politicians that start horrible wars deserve the death penalty.
Did you state this because you are calling to abolish people who have abortions?

Self defense isn’t murder
Not really self defense either. Not getting into it at the moment though

I’m not a republican; I want open borders and I want buisiness owners to be encouraged to hire the undocumented so they aren’t consuming our too socialist welfare state.
Open borders is a really stupid position. The Mexican drug cartels would love that shit, so would spies from every hostile nation and terrorists who call us big Israel. 

America is not a theocracy; what the Bible says on law doesn’t matter. I don’t want abortion banned because of the Bible; I want it banned because of science.
"Because of science" could literally mean anything. It is a question of ethics which is certainly in the realm of theology and philosophy try to figure out. 

Also you aren't tagging me in these posts. I have a capital I in my name not a lower case L. 
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Facts don’t care about your feelings/emotions.
I didn't use any appeals to emotion other than asking that women in tough situations get some empathy. There are also certainly murderers who actually unlawfully killed who deserve empathy as well. 
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Not all murder is equal and the most acceptable form of murder that doesn't qualify as merely killing would be abortion. 
What murders would be unequal?  Killing someone in self defense is not murder; it’s self defense.  Killing someone in war is taking orders, and the politicians that start horrible wars should be put to death.  

I believe in outlawing abortion, but I don't think women should be punished for it. I think you enforce the law by punishing doctors exclusively.
If this happens, nobody is going to want to be an abortionist.  Then, women perform their own abortions.  Would you punish them like the abortionist (because they would be an abortionist if they performed their own abortion)?

Did you state this because you are calling to abolish people who have abortions?
I want the parents of aborted babies to be punished with 3 weeks of hard labor with the revenue going to sponsor a starving American kid; if you take a life from abortion, you should be forced to save a life by some other means.  I also don’t call abortion murder, because if I did, I would have to advocate the death penalty for abortion (which I don’t).
The Mexican drug cartels would love that shit
The solution to this is to replace ICE with FCE (Fetonal Control and Enforcement).  This organization goes after fetonal coming into the country and not undocumented immigrants.  Given the vast majority of undocumented immigrants don’t bring fetonal with them, this I think makes better sense.  The people that brig fetonal in the country that kills someone else should get the death penalty, but this applies to under 1% of undocumented immigrants.
so would spies from every hostile nation and terrorists who call us big Israel.
The people that did 9/11 were US citizens and now there are anti terrorism measures in place to prevent terrorist attacks that have nothing to do with ICE.  Like if you want to go on a plane, we make sure you don’t have a bomb.  No deportations needed; and this has prevented terrorists from doing damage in the country.  I also would argue that deportations based on the fact that a small proportion of undocumented immigrants commit murder/terrorism (that they should get the death penalty for) is like wanting to ban AR 15s because of mass shootings the vast majority of AR 15 owners don’t do (but the ones that murder deserve death).  Or it would be like banning pit bulls based on the 284 deaths per year they are responsible for.  A free society has to tolterate some level of death to provide freedoms for hundreds of millions of people.  If no amount of death can be tolerated no matter the amount of liberty it has to tread upon, then it means human life is priceless.  If the government believes human life is priceless, then they can force its citizens to do some very authoritarian things to save lives (they could mandate that people give blood or adopt if it saves just one life).  I don’t want the government or anybody believing human life is priceless.  So if 10 people die from terrorism a year in the US because of the undocumented, but hundreds of millions of people get to move here, that’s a trade off of that is worth it.  But the undocumented are less likely to murder than the native born, so the undocumented are safer to begin with.
"Because of science" could literally mean anything. It is a question of ethics which is certainly in the realm of theology and philosophy try to figure out. 
Science confirms an African American is a human being.  Therefore killing one is killing a human being.  Certain African Americans (those that happen to murder or rape) deserve death.  But if your innocent and African American, you don’t deserve death.  People are allowed to wish you death for being black, but they can’t act on it.

Science confirms that gays are human beings.  Certain gays (those that happen to murder or rape) deserve death.  But if your innocent and gay, you don’t deserve death.  People are allowed to wish you death if your gay, but they can’t act on it.

Science confirms that a zygote id a human being.  No zygote rapes or murders, so none of them deserve death.  People are allowed to wish for the right to kill a zygote, but they can’t act on it.
There are also certainly murderers who actually unlawfully killed who deserve empathy as well.
Do you have any examples?