Trump is running for President again

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@Greyparrot
There you go again, misquoting me. Creating a fantasy narrative. I said nothing about rising gas prices or inflation.
Yeah, thats completely unnecessary, you already have your own fantasy narrative.
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That's me.

I never vote.



Well, I voted against Brexit because I thought that it was an unnecessary faff.

But I haven't voted in a General Election for, probably 40 years.

So, I will gladly accept your compliment.

Thank you.
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From a policy standpoint, Trump is a million times better from any Democrat. I think your argument revolves around an emotional argument and personality differences, which is fine. But at the end of the day, does the media and Democrats’ opinion about you matter?
We are on opposite ends when it comes to policy, so that’s not really relevant here. If I were offerred Liz Cheney right now, who has voted with Trump  something like 95% of the time and believes nearly all of the same things politically vs taking a chance on Biden vs Trump with 2:1 odds favoring Biden, I would take Cheney right now.

You are to trying to excuse away Trump’s unprecedented danger and incompetence as merely an emotional argument and personality differences. It is so much worse then that, and I think you know that.

Trump has very serious psychological issues. He is a malignant narcissist, a pathological liar, has the maturity of a 13 year old, he is petulant, ignorant, and vile. Simply put, he is the worst kind of person imaginable to hold the presidency. I know you will just hand waive this away as partisan nonsense, but actual psychologists and qualified professionals have been telling us this for years.

If Trump gets re-elected, it will in his mind validate every malicious thing he has done and he will double, triple, and quadruple down on all of it as a result.

He will fire every competent head of every US agency he controls, and replace them with sycophants whose only qualification will be their unflinching loyalty to Donald J Trump (not the US constitution).

He will act on every impulse that all of the adults got him to steer clear of the first time around (like pulling out of NATO).

He will ensure that the justice department is used to go after all of his political opponents (like he did by getting the IRS to audit James Comey and Andrew McCabe)

He will do everything in his power (which will include no checks because he fired them all) to ensure elections around the country are fixed and essentially wipe out democracy in America.

He will continue to lead his followers (which includes a dangerously close number of people to half the country) down the path of anti-critical thinking with his absurd conspiracy theories and outright rejection of the very concept of truth itself

He will continue to encourage racism and bigotry resulting in even greater spikes in hate crimes from what we saw in his first term.

There is a reason former Trump aid after former Trump aid has turned on him and many have written books telling us how horrific his presidency really was. His own daughter has said she will not be a part of a second Trump administration and his own Vice President wants nothing to do with him. Not to mention the fact that everyone around him has had to hire a lawyer of their own. He is a toxic cancer on everything people like you pretend to care about.

There is no other politician in America this dangerous. Historians understand this, which is why they have for years placed Trump almost at the bottom of every presidential rankings that have came out since his election. Trump vs anyone alive today is not even a contest to any rationally thinking person who cares about America.
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I will vote for Trump if he is the Republican candidate in 2024  for the same reason Dems gave for voting for Biden in 2020. The lesser of 2 evils. With that said, life for me was good  when Trump was President. Under Biden all I got was poorer. That's all. No need to debate me, that's just how it is. I don't give a shit about social issues anymore, my opinion on them has never mattered and never will.
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@sadolite
Under Biden all I got was poorer. That's all. No need to debate me, that's just how it is. I don't give a shit about social issues anymore, my opinion on them has never mattered and never will.
Oh please tell us how you became poorer under Biden.

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@ILikePie5
I think your argument revolves around an emotional argument and personality differences, which is fine.
It doesn't revolve around emotions or personality, and it never did.
But at the end of the day, does the media and Democrats’ opinion about you matter?
It doesn't, and it never did.
How will Trump ruin the country? Everyone said that in 2016. Nothing happened. 
Something did happen. A sitting president refused to accept the results of a legitimate election. Millions believed him. Some resorted to violence. Trump attempted to overturn an election. Yes, the Democrat's policies are bad for America. So are election denialism and attempted coups. A democracy relies on the willingness of both sides to acknowledge defeat. Without that, it will collapse.

I do not, however, buy into the Democrat's hysterical claims that the Republicans winning even one more election would be the END OF DEMOCRACY. I think our constitutional system is stronger than that. However, if election denialism continues to grow, it will eventually fail. And before you can say, "But Stacey Abrams and Al Gore," I entirely agree. That's one (out of many) reasons that I won't vote for the Democrats either.
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Stacey Abrams and Al Gore," I entirely agree. That's one (out of many) reasons that I won't vote for the Democrats either.
Very false equivalency 

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@IwantRooseveltagain
Sure,  his administration adding trillions more to an already bloated national debt  causing out of control inflation to come sooner rather than the inevitable later, harmful domestic energy policies causing me to pay higher gas prices by forcing the country to rely on foreign sources, Expanded business regulations costing my own side business and full time employer to pay thousands more in compliance costs. Increased fees on licenses and permits, shortages in the supply chain causing delays thus higher costs, I could go on and on. But I know, none of that is Biden's fault, its all Trumps fault or some other countries fault. Your response will be as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.
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@sadolite
his administration adding trillions more to an already bloated national debt
But Trump added more than any President before or since - 8 trillion in 4 years.

causing out of control inflation
If Biden caused inflation why are all countries experiencing inflation ?

harmful domestic energy policies causing me to pay higher gas prices by forcing the country to rely on foreign sources,
That’s nonsense. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Expanded business regulations costing my own side business and full time employer to pay thousands more in compliance costs.
Name 2 regulations passed in the last 2 years that resulted in you (or your boss) paying “thousands in compliance costs”

Increased fees on licenses and permits, shortages in the supply chain
What fees are you speaking of? How did Joe Biden cause supply chain shortages?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Did I not say an "Already Bloated debt" Don't bother debating me on this issue I will never vote for Biden or any Democrat. They have, you included in  no uncertain terms consider me a threat to this country. Why would I ever vote for anyone who says that about me.
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@sadolite
Why would I ever vote for anyone who says that about me. 
Well you’re just a moron who talks out of his ass. That’s all you really need to understand. 
Ignorance and an inability to determine the truth is a threat to the country.

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We are on opposite ends when it comes to policy, so that’s not really relevant here. If I were offerred Liz Cheney right now, who has voted with Trump  something like 95% of the time and believes nearly all of the same things politically vs taking a chance on Biden vs Trump with 2:1 odds favoring Biden, I would take Cheney right now.
No offense, but this is honestly why the opinion of a Democrat on this matter is pretty laughable. Liz Cheney is the epitome of the pro-war, Bush Republican model that Mitch and Ryan follow to this day. They don’t have the interest of voters. Hell they don’t even act like they have the best interest of the voters.
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Something did happen. A sitting president refused to accept the results of a legitimate election. Millions believed him. Some resorted to violence. Trump attempted to overturn an election. Yes, the Democrat's policies are bad for America. So are election denialism and attempted coups. A democracy relies on the willingness of both sides to acknowledge defeat. Without that, it will collapse.
See the problem here is that everyone argues that the election was perfect. It had numerous flaws. Hell State Supreme courts across the nation have found Democratic rule changes that benefited not them unconstitutional. The system was rigged against Trump. It’s like finding out the lottery is rigged to give one guy all the money
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See the problem here is that everyone argues that the election was perfect. It had numerous flaws.
Why don’t you just say it. In 2020, it was too easy for black people to vote.

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A test of American integrity.
It takes integrity to not vote.
Yeah, and not collecting stamps is a hobby.


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@sadolite
I will vote for Trump if he is the Republican candidate in 2024  for the same reason Dems gave for voting for Biden in 2020. The lesser of 2 evils. With that said, life for me was good  when Trump was President. Under Biden all I got was poorer. That's all. No need to debate me, that's just how it is. I don't give a shit about social issues anymore, my opinion on them has never mattered and never will.
Hitler came to power because he got Germany out of the great depression, Mussolini came to power because he got the trains to run on time.

Character matters.

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Hitler came to power because he got Germany out of the great depression,
Why can't Democrats fix the economy instead of spending money we don't have on green energy corporate subsidies and imposing climate change lockdowns on energy?

Is it absolutely necessary to trust nice people to be necessarily incompetent?

Or maybe it's because nice people can get away with far more corruption like the Weimar did?

I wish more people would treat politicians as used car salesmen. If you like your salesman, you probably got screwed.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Aaaaand you prove my point. And of course continue with unprovoked personal attacks. You hide behind your computer like a coward. You wouldn't talk to people like that in person. You would get your eyes blacked shut. You know it and everyone e else knows it. Your days on this site are numbered. You are the poster child of violating the terms of use. You should be banned immediately.
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@Sidewalker
Are you comparing Trump to Hitler? If you are, you don't know anything about Hitler. With that said, using your character argument, Why would anyone vote for Biden?
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@sadolite
Are you comparing Trump to Hitler? If you are, you don't know anything about Hitler.
No, it wasn't my intent to insult Hitler with the post.

With that said, using your character argument, Why would anyone vote for Biden?
Because he isn't Trump.
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See the problem here is that everyone argues that the election was perfect. It had numerous flaws.
Well, I'm not part of everyone. Once you get past a certain size, no election is perfect. However, imperfect does not mean unfair or illegitimate or rigged.
Hell State Supreme courts across the nation have found Democratic rule changes that benefited not them unconstitutional. The system was rigged against Trump. It’s like finding out the lottery is rigged to give one guy all the money
The claim in the first sentence does not support the claim in the following sentences. You can say, "There were bad laws." Probably. There probably have been bad laws in most or all elections. You can say, "The bad laws favored one side over another." Maybe so. Again, probably not uncommon. But unless you can say, "There were bad laws, and here is the evidence showing that they had enough impact to flip the election," you can't conclude that it was rigged. And that is a case that I haven't seen anyone even attempt to make. 

But more pertinently, claiming that there were bad laws does absolutely nothing to justify Trump's behavior. He hasn't been limiting himself to rational, defensible claims. He and his lawyers have been spouting off one insane conspiracy theory after another. He also didn't limit himself to legal means to challenge the results. He tried to pressure the vice president to illegally overturn the election. That behavior is indefensible and unacceptable. And if that continues and becomes more mainstream, it will eventually destroy our constitutional system.
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@zedvictor4
That's me.

I never vote.



Well, I voted against Brexit because I thought that it was an unnecessary faff.

But I haven't voted in a General Election for, probably 40 years.

So, I will gladly accept your compliment.

Thank you.
Out of curiosity, why don't you vote anymore?

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Yeah, and not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Not even remotely analogous. But I suppose, hobbies are a perfectly acceptable pastime. I'm sure you'll find one which suits you one day.
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@sadolite
What a big baby you are. You can’t show how “Biden made you poorer”. You say stupid things then you cry when you get called on it.
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Well, I'm not part of everyone. Once you get past a certain size, no election is perfect. However, imperfect does not mean unfair or illegitimate or rigged.
I heavily disagree. If a rule is changed just so one side benefits, that’s inherently unfair.

The claim in the first sentence does not support the claim in the following sentences. You can say, "There were bad laws." Probably. There probably have been bad laws in most or all elections. You can say, "The bad laws favored one side over another." Maybe so. Again, probably not uncommon. But unless you can say, "There were bad laws, and here is the evidence showing that they had enough impact to flip the election," you can't conclude that it was rigged. And that is a case that I haven't seen anyone even attempt to make.
Just because you don’t hear about it, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. How would you analyze the impact of the rule change? You really can’t because you can’t compare it to the baseline. It’s basic method. Everyone knew about this.

But more pertinently, claiming that there were bad laws does absolutely nothing to justify Trump's behavior. He hasn't been limiting himself to rational, defensible claims. He and his lawyers have been spouting off one insane conspiracy theory after another.
Rigged = Stolen in the minds of any objective third party. No one disputes the fact that state executives changed the law without an explicit change passed by the state legislatures. If you have Democratic executives in places like WI and PA changing the law singlehandedly, without any consultation or law change of the state legislatures, how unfair and contradictory to the concept of separation of powers is that?

I never said Trump is the best speaker. He’s notorious for his hyperbolic speech. But his premise is correct. Judges have ruled that methods were unconstitutional. Methods that inherently favored Democrats over Republicans.

You can ask for evidence all day. You can ask for hard numbers all day, but there is no way objective analysis can be done with these rule changes and the other million variable changes cause by the COVID-19 pandemic. It’s literally impossible from a research method standpoint.

He also didn't limit himself to legal means to challenge the results. He tried to pressure the vice president to illegally overturn the election.
Theirs is no statute that doesn’t allow the VP power. Congress passed a bill because it was unclear lmao. 

That behavior is indefensible and unacceptable. And if that continues and becomes more mainstream, it will eventually destroy our constitutional system.
And Democratic operatives violating the founding concept of separation of powers is just left to be and not talked about. Really sad.
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@ILikePie5
No offense, but this is honestly why the opinion of a Democrat on this matter is pretty laughable. Liz Cheney is the epitome of the pro-war, Bush Republican model that Mitch and Ryan follow to this day. They don’t have the interest of voters. Hell they don’t even act like they have the best interest of the voters.
And yet she voted with Trump well over 90% of the time and even more so than most republicans in congress. I thought you were against arguments based on emotion?

I also noticed you ignored the rest of my post, but that’s fine, I wasn’t expecting much else.
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news flash from out here in the real world, we already went and had that MidTerm election everybody's been talking about, it's over, and turns out it had nothing to do with clown world claims about Trump brokering peace anywhere, in the end it was about Trump and his base being out of thier mind, 
what are you even getting at with your spelling-error-laiden incoherent babbling rant? The clown world really does things to people's minds, I see.
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And yet she voted with Trump well over 90% of the time and even more so than most republicans in congress. I thought you were against arguments based on emotion?
It’s the 10% that truly matters. Where’s the team player mentality?

I also noticed you ignored the rest of my post, but that’s fine, I wasn’t expecting much else.
I purposefully ignored it. As I’ve told you before, we won’t be seeing eye to eye on a vast majority of things, and so I didn’t want to waste your time, nor my time
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Honestly, the way I see it, the nation is just going to keep going down the wrong track for one reason:

My generation.
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@ILikePie5
It’s the 10% that truly matters. Where’s the team player mentality?
The team she plays for are the people of Wyoming, not the MAGA cult. That’s how politics is supposed to work.

And I said well over 90%, it’s actually 93%. The point here is that it’s silly to claim Cheney and Trump are so different on policy given the actual record, which refutes your whole point there.

I purposefully ignored it. As I’ve told you before, we won’t be seeing eye to eye on a vast majority of things, and so I didn’t want to waste your time, nor my time
I wouldn’t consider it a waste to time to observe the mental gymnastics one has to play to pretend Trump is a normal human being, but like I said, I expected as much,