BIDEN To APPOINT A GESTAPO To Investigate Trump If He Runs In 2024

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Nope. Every President before him, he himself, and anyone after him have the exact same legal authority to declare, whenever they declare, that any government document is declassified and becomes their own possession for Presidential historical purposes (e.g., shit that goes into their personal Presidential Library). 
That's completely made up bullshit, declassifying a document does not change it's ownership, even if they can declassify a document, that doesn't give them the right to steal it by any stretch of the imagination.  Even a thug President.
“it. But as an ABA Legal Fact Check posted Oct. 17 explains, legal guidelines support his contention that presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.“

“As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.”

I know that racist "reasoning" is different than  our reasoning, but if you want to actually communicate with people outside of your Klan meeting, you really need to try to understand how the rest of us think.  So listen up, I'm going to  try to dumb it down enough for you.

Try reading your "made up bullshit" and my reply again, slowly for comprehension, maybe read it out loud if that helps. 

Note that what you said was "document is declassified and becomes their own possession" and then I said "declassifying a document does not change it's ownership".  

Now pay attention, the next part is important if you want to understand our way of thinking about sentences and how in a conversation, the sentences relate to one another. 

Next, you replied with a legal fact check about "declassifying a document", and if you actually read your own reference, you would know that it says absolutely nothing about your "made up bullshit " that "declassifying" in any way will "change it's ownership".

If you can comprehend how that "reason" thing works for the rest of us, then you will see that your reply is a non-sequitor to anyone with half a brain, in the end, it's  just more  of your "made up bullshit".

Now, lets see if you can try communicating without all the stupid.


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I know that racist "reasoning" is different than  our reasoning, but if you want to actually communicate with people outside of your Klan meeting, you really need to try to understand how the rest of us think.  
You just lost the debate/discussion. 

PS. Reading comprehension matters. 

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PS, PS, - Possession =/= ownership, ignorant dumbass!!!!! 
Again, reading comprehension matters.
Knowledge of what happens once documents have been declassified and copied for the Presidential Library, matters.
So, F-off with you and your ignorant racist bullshit. 
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I know that racist "reasoning" is different than  our reasoning, but if you want to actually communicate with people outside of your Klan meeting, you really need to try to understand how the rest of us think.  
You just lost the debate/discussion. 
Nope, I still don't care about who wins a debate/discussion at the Klan meeting.  

Yes, and if you read your article slowly, out loud maybe, it doesn't say an exPresident can retroactively declassify documents, and even if he could, that doesn't mean he can steal them,  that is still your"made up bullshit".

STOP THE STUPID!
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PS, PS, - Possession =/= ownership, ignorant dumbass!!!!! 
LOL, is that the thief motto, you don't suppose that a warr
Again, reading comprehension matters.
Knowledge of what happens once documents have been declassified and copied for the Presidential Library, matters.
"Made up bullshit" about retroactively declassifying documents after you steal them doesn't matter, and made up bullshit about making copies for the Presidential Library doesn't matter. That would explain the search warrants, DOJ investigations, and lawsuits dumbass!!!!
So, F-off with you and your ignorant racist bullshit. 
They teach you the art of projection at the Klan meetings don't they?  
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If I borrow my neighbors car and I get pulled over in it, cop asks if it’s my car, I’m going to say no it’s my neighbors. While the car is in my possession, I still don’t own it and I will be returning it when I’m done using it. So yeah, possession =/= ownership, dumbass. 

Everyone knows a president takes certain documents they’ve declassified with them to be copied for their presidential library. Obama did it and has yet to return all of what he took. Don’t ever anyone bitching about that!!! 

Trump is being targeted and blamed for anything and everything under the Sun because he’s an outsider. Pure and simple. 

Your childish rants and raves with personal attacks proves beyond any and all reasonable doubt what a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect you are!! 100% pure intellectual cowardice on your part. 

Now GTFOH and go play doctor with IWantRosevelrAgain and IrrationalMadman. Ignorant liberal snowflake little child that you so clearly are. 
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ALL the charges levied against Trump have been proven FALSE! Russia-gate. Grab them by the pussy (hyperbole). The ugly woman claiming Trump raped her. It's all bullshit. Until a smoking gun is actually found, I call bullshit on ALL OF IT!!!
The fact that you can point to something and call it bullshit does not make it bullshit.

Your statement here is a very basic failure of critical thinking. You can’t in any practical sense, prove a negative. You can’t prove Trump didn’t collude with Russia, you can’t prove he didn’t rape his accusers, or whatever you are claiming he didn’t do with regards to grabbing women’s pussies.

What we can do is rationally scrutinize the evidence in support of each claim and determine whether it is reasonable to believe.

“Russia-gate” is a completely meaningless term as it can mean anything to anyone. The game Trump sycophants love to play here is to take it to its most extreme version by pretending it’s the charge that Trump and Putin sat around in meetings with their top advisers planning each step of the campaign and checking in with each other for their progress. What Trump is actually being accused of is calling for Russian help, welcoming that help once recognizing they were intervening on his behalf, and planning his campaign around the help he expected to receive. All of those things have been proven.

What’s even more absurd, is that the author of the report you use to claim his innocence was proven has said unequivocally that he was not found innocent.

The rape case is verbal diarrhea spewing out of your mouth. It was an allegation made from years ago, there is hardly anything even in theory that supports a claim of Trump’s innocence and given the number of accusers and things Trump himself has said and done over the years, there is no reasonable basis to disregard it.

Do you believe Trump is guilty of committing a crime with regards to his handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and subsequent investigation into it? Yes or No?
Nope. Every President before him, he himself, and anyone after him have the exact same legal authority to declare, whenever they declare, that any government document is declassified and becomes their own possession for Presidential historical purposes (e.g., shit that goes into their personal Presidential Library).
You clearly do not understand how any of this works. Oromagi already explained it so I won’t repeat, but to summarize, no he doesn’t just get to declassify documents by thinking about it, and the fact that his lawyers haven’t even tried to make this claim in court should tell you something.
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The fact that you can point to something and call it bullshit does not make it bullshit.
Can you name a single crime Trump was indicted before a grand jury for?

Even the FBI didn't find anything on him. On anything. He's been absolved from January 6th, from Russiagate, the only thing they have him on is failure to pay taxes. They also found nothing at Mar-a-lago.

So unless something new happens, he is innocent until proven guilty. That's how our legal and government system works. He has been investigated three times now for crimes equaling betraying your country, and all three times he has been cleared. What is your justification for believing that it is not bullshit?
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If I borrow my neighbors car and I get pulled over in it, cop asks if it’s my car, I’m going to say no it’s my neighbors. While the car is in my possession, I still don’t own it and I will be returning it when I’m done using it. So yeah, possession =/= ownership, dumbass. 

LOL, like your racist orange Messiah, you are just doubling down on your dumbshitness.  
 
The fact is, if you borrow your neighbors car, and the cops spend a year asking if you took it and you say you didn’t the whole time, and your neighbor spends that year saying he didn’t lend it to you, then you stole it, and nope, when you steal something you don’t own it, they actually call it “possession of stolen property”, and it’s a crime dumbshit.
 

Everyone knows a president takes certain documents they’ve declassified with them to be copied for their presidential library. Obama did it and has yet to return all of what he took. Don’t ever anyone bitching about that!!! 
 

That’s just more of your “made up bullshit” of course, that may be what everyone at your Klan meeting knows, but outside your white supremacist crowd, everyone knows it’s a bald-faced lie.
 
Believe it or not, Presidential documents are not legally subject to your “made up bullshit”, they are controlled by the law, specifically the Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, which states that any records created or received by the President as part of his duties are the property of the United States government and will be managed by National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of the administration.  Under the PRA, the records are exempt from public release for five years after the end of a Presidential administration.  After that period, there is an established process for access, which does not include stealing them, and all documents released are subject to the freedom of information act and accessible by the public, so under no circumstances are sensitive documents that could breach national security ever released, even if an ex-President claims he declassified them in his mind or some stupid shit racist males up bullshit about stealing documents means you own them. 
 

Trump is being targeted and blamed for anything and everything under the Sun because he’s an outsider. Pure and simple. 

Nope, he’s targeted and blamed because he is a morally bankrupt criminal and a racist, people outside your white supremacist circle, you know, decent people, they tend to have a problem with that.
 

Your childish rants and raves with personal attacks proves beyond any and all reasonable doubt what a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect you are!! 100% pure intellectual cowardice on your part. 
 

Wow, it took you three whole posts to get back to your standard Dunning Kruger effect comment, I suppose you obsessively do that because you think it makes you sound intelligent, but the whole dumbshit racist thing the rest of the time makes everyone aware that you are just an ignorant backwoods white supremacist.  
 

Now GTFOH and go play doctor with IWantRosevelrAgain and IrrationalMadman. Ignorant liberal snowflake little child that you so clearly are. 

LOL, coming from an ignorant white supremacist racist asshole, I take that as a complement. 

And don’t forget, pretty soon it won't matter, because the Jews are going to replace you.

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But let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" raise dead people to vote (and win) elections, and allow candidates who are controlled by the mob to run for office.

And let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" magically added absentee 400,000 ballots in Pennsylvania the night of the election and elected hyper-partison wack jobs who have known ties to the WEF's young global leaders to head up their election government departments.

Both sides are guilty of fraud and election rigging.
These are all lies. You are a liar. A few Republicans cast votes for their dead mothers and spouses.
The absentee ballots were valid
Republicans cheat. They have been convicted in the past. A North Carolina congressional election was invalidated. Trump lied and cheated 
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Nope. If he were guilty and enough fact-based evidence was in someone's possession, someone in a position of authority with charging powers, they would have done so long long ago. The fact that they haven't, well, that alone speaks volumes about the weakness of all the BS claims of criminality upon Trump.
So the reason it took years for the Feds to make a case against Al Capone was Capone never did anything against the law. Right? And the reason Capone went to jail for tax evasion was that was the only crime that Al Capone ever committed. Right?
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These are all lies. You are a liar. 







So go fuck off with your clown world fantasies about Democrats and your Trump tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. The adults are discussing things.
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Your first attempt to provide “proof” failed miserably 

The NPR article does not say that dead people voted.

Study: 1.8 Million Dead People Still Registered To Vote.  However, this is true - Pennsylvania man admits he voted for Trump with his dead mom’s name: ‘I listened to too much propaganda’


You are a dummy
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Nope. If he were guilty and enough fact-based evidence was in someone's possession, someone in a position of authority with charging powers, they would have done so long long ago. The fact that they haven't, well, that alone speaks volumes about the weakness of all the BS claims of criminality upon Trump.
So the reason it took years for the Feds to make a case against Al Capone was Capone never did anything against the law. Right? And the reason Capone went to jail for tax evasion was that was the only crime that Al Capone ever committed. Right?
Dumb analogy. Complete non sequitur. Different era. Different crimes. Different reasons. Different everything. Total false equivalency fallacy. 

Stop replying to my comments if you intend on keeping me blocked. You only look like an immature child keeping me blocked while still engaging me in debate/discussion. 
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If I borrow my neighbors car and I get pulled over in it, cop asks if it’s my car, I’m going to say no it’s my neighbors. While the car is in my possession, I still don’t own it and I will be returning it when I’m done using it. So yeah, possession =/= ownership, dumbass. 

LOL, like your racist orange Messiah, you are just doubling down on your dumbshitness.  
 
The fact is, if you borrow your neighbors car, and the cops spend a year asking if you took it and you say you didn’t the whole time, and your neighbor spends that year saying he didn’t lend it to you, then you stole it, and nope, when you steal something you don’t own it, they actually call it “possession of stolen property”, and it’s a crime dumbshit.
Wow, the clear inability of that single-celled pea brain of yours to grasp a simple concept never ceases to amaze anyone here reading your childish ignorant intellectual coward retorts.

My analogy stands as factually accurate to the scenario where the POTUS has BROAD authority to declassify documents and take them with them when they leave office to be prepared for their presidential library. Every single man who has held that Office has done no differently than Trump. I've cited the necessary source(s) to prove this fact, one even including a Federal Court case where a Justice basically said no differently but rather more simply. So simply a 6th grader could understand it, but since you clearly never made it past grade five, well, that's your problem not anyone else's'. 

Only persistent "dumbshit" here is you, and your fine dsiplay of your "dumbshittery" is remarkable. Keep it up. We are laughing at you, not with you. 
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Well, a 90% success rate is better than the Democrat performance on election night so I'll take it. I'm guessing you read the other articles and agree with them? Considering you only commented on one of them and forgot about the others.

Did you get to the one about how the mob elected JFK and how the chicago gangs run the Democrat Party there? Or were those too difficult for your lizard brain to comprehend?

What about the one where high ranking officials stated the Democrat Party is a Chinese asset? Or does your lizard brain immediately recoil in stunted emotional capacity at the notion of your precious party bring officially called a propaganda arm of a foreign enemy of the United States?
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I opened the first one, determined it was nonsensical  bullshit. I would not continue with the others because you lost all credibility and you have already proven yourself to be a dummy and a liar. But being a dummy and a liar is a prerequisite to being a MAGA Republican.
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determined it was nonsensical bullshit.
So now you are denying, without evidence, official reports from credible media outlets. The conspiracy theories never end with the left.

Are you asserting there is a conspiracy to report fake news on elections? Why would the mainstream press seek to undermine the credibility of election officials and spread disinformation about elections?

Only a lizard-brained halfwit would assert, without evidence, that the mainstream media is "bullshit" as you called them.
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So now you are denying, without evidence, official reports from credible media outlets. The conspiracy theories never end with the left.
Not denying that there are dead people who are still on the voter roles, I’m  denying that story you cited is evidence that dead people voted, you idiot.

You are a Christian liar.


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This dynamic essentially dooms the Republican Party to Trumpism for the rest of Trump's life. So long as Trump is running or likely to run, he can claim that any investigation into his many, many criminal activities is tyranny
Let's imagine that Hitler and the Nazis are in power. Now let's imagine a serious political rival emerges. How would the organizations Hitler control respond to that, the media the scientists the politicians in office. What type of image and manufactured evidence would they paint this political opponent with

We don't have to imagine anything, we can just watch the Republican party as they take the house.



But I must admit, they do look like Nazi's.
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Can you name a single crime Trump was indicted before a grand jury for?
Just went into great detail explaining how you cannot apply the same standards of a court room to a general conversation about whether Trump is guilty. You are more than welcome to read and respond to it.

Even the FBI didn't find anything on him. On anything. He's been absolved from January 6th, from Russiagate
He has not been absolved from Russia-gate. I literally just explained this to you in the post you were responding to. Is there any reason you chose to ignore it while recycling the same tired talking points?

He was also not absolved from January 6th. The committee hearings made that very clear, assuming you actually watched any of it. Somehow I suspect you didn’t and have no idea what they revealed.

All you do is lie and pretend things that happened didn’t and that things which were said weren’t. Your refusal to look reality in its face and deal with it for what it is makes clear why you believe the things you do.

What is your justification for believing that it is not bullshit?
Critical thinking, and the consumption of more than just right wing propaganda.

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I opened the first one, determined it was nonsensical  bullshit.

Ignorant asinine GENETIC FALLACY!!! 
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So now you are denying, without evidence, official reports from credible media outlets. The conspiracy theories never end with the left.
Not denying that there are dead people who are still on the voter roles, I’m  denying that story you cited is evidence that dead people voted, you idiot.

You are a Christian liar.
The laughable irony oozing from that retort is fucking hilarious!!!!! 
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Can you name a single crime Trump was indicted before a grand jury for?
Just went into great detail explaining how you cannot apply the same standards of a court room to a general conversation...
Uh, last I checked everyone IS presumed INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty in a court of law by a jury of one's peers. 

Public opinion, especially the emotively driven ignorant kind, is not a jury of one's peers. 
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This is why it’s best you never fathered any children.
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Just went into great detail explaining how you cannot apply the same standards of a court room to a general conversation about whether Trump is guilty.
Ah. So we need special rules for people we don't like. Got it.

He has not been absolved from Russia-gate. I literally just explained this to you in the post you were responding to. Is there any reason you chose to ignore it while recycling the same tired talking points?
The FBI disagrees.

He was also not absolved from January 6th.
The FBI disagrees.

All you do is lie and pretend things that happened didn’t and that things which were said weren’t. Your refusal to look reality in its face and deal with it for what it is makes clear why you believe the things you do.
Where is my lie? Did the FBI not declare there was no evidence Trump colluded with Russia? Did the FBI not declare there was no evidence Trump and his officials were behind January 6th? Where is the lie?

Right now you are claiming that the FBI is likely engaging in disinformation and lying to the general public about a former President. You are claiming, without evidence, that the FBI conducted a faulty investigation.

The only lies are coming from you, who is spreading conspiracy theories and disinformation about a former duly-elected President of the United States.

The FBI has absolved Trump of every major wrong the Democrat party and the media erroneously reported about him. They even had to dispell the myth that Trump was selling secrets and had nuclear codes. 

Stop peddling disinformation and conspiracy theories about a former President of the United States.

The facts are there is no evidence Trump was behind January 6th and no evidence he colluded with Russia and no evidence he was selling secrets or kept documents for a nefarious purpose. The FBI blatantly stated this. They investigated the same things the J6 Democrats are investigating. They also interviewed and took the communications of all the 540+ people arrested. They found nothing. 

The trials are based on an inaccurate conclusion of events. If the FBI thought differently they wouldn't have concluded there was no evidence.
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I Want Retard Again,

You’ll never know if I did or didn’t father children. And for me, that’s the beauty of it  

LOL!!! 

FU!! Clown!!! 
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If I borrow my neighbors car and I get pulled over in it, cop asks if it’s my car, I’m going to say no it’s my neighbors. While the car is in my possession, I still don’t own it and I will be returning it when I’m done using it. So yeah, possession =/= ownership, dumbass. 

LOL, like your racist orange Messiah, you are just doubling down on your dumbshitness.  
 
The fact is, if you borrow your neighbors car, and the cops spend a year asking if you took it and you say you didn’t the whole time, and your neighbor spends that year saying he didn’t lend it to you, then you stole it, and nope, when you steal something you don’t own it, they actually call it “possession of stolen property”, and it’s a crime dumbshit.

Wow, the clear inability of that single-celled pea brain of yours to grasp a simple concept never ceases to amaze anyone here reading your childish ignorant intellectual coward retorts.
 
My analogy stands as factually accurate to the scenario where the POTUS has BROAD authority to declassify documents and take them with them when they leave office to be prepared for their presidential library.
Man, you really are dumber than a fucking post.  Fact is, your made-up bullshit is not factually accurate, no matter how many times you repeat it, not even if you stop your feet and cry, you can even wear a white sheet and burn a cross on my front lawn, and it still won’t be true.
 
I showed you what the law is, and no other President has broken that law, only Trump. 

Every single man who has held that Office has done no differently than Trump. I've cited the necessary source(s) to prove this fact, one even including a Federal Court case where a Justice basically said no differently but rather more simply. So simply a 6th grader could understand it, but since you clearly never made it past grade five, well, that's your problem not anyone else's'. 
Where did you cite these sources, on one of your Klan websites perhaps, if so, 6th grade is way over your racist heads.  If you want to blather on about citing sources here, how about you actually cite them here. 

Only persistent "dumbshit" here is you, and your fine dsiplay of your "dumbshittery" is remarkable. Keep it up. We are laughing at you, not with you. 
I’m OK with the disapproval of racist assholes, appreciate it actually, thanks.

You are a dinosaur, you can’t adapt to a changing environment and you have a brain the size of a walnut, this is all nothing but your primal scream of desperation as you go extinct.

Now, your turn Dino, it’s time to repeat your made-up bullshit along with the Dunning Kruger effect bullshit again. 
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Right now you are claiming that the FBI is likely engaging in disinformation and lying to the general public about a former President. You are claiming, without evidence, that the FBI conducted a faulty investigation.
My claim is that you have blatantly misrepresented what the FBI found and said, and that you continue to pretend the elephant you are leaning on is not in the room. The rest of it you made up entirely which I’ve noticed is kind of a theme of yours. I’m going to explain it to you again. Read my words this time. Take them in. Absorb what I’m actually talking about.

Then reply.

Did the FBI not declare there was no evidence Trump colluded with Russia?
The FBI did not even investigate whether Trump colluded with Russia because collusion isn’t a legal term. The legal term relevant here is conspiracy, which would require Trump and the Russians to explicitly coordinate with each other. No one is even accusing him of that.

The FBI found no evidence of the latter, so given that no one is even claiming it happened, is not an exoneration of anything. It’s just a strawman Fox News talking point that people like you can be manipulated easily by, and have clearly been.

Moreover, you’re claiming that the FBI absolved Trump, as of they found that he was innocent. Not only is this fallacious in theory because the lack of evidence does not prove innocence, but Robert Mueller made absolutely clear that this idea is complete nonsense when he stated;

“If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” 

Specifically with regards to “collusion”, here is just a snippet of the long list of facts that are not even in dispute;

  • Trump’s team enthusiastically accepted a meeting that was represented to them as having dirt on Hillary Clinton “as  part of Russia’s support for Mr. Trump.
  • Trumps campaign chairman gave their internal polling data to the Russians
  • Russia hacked Clinton and DNC servers on behalf of Trump, and did so immediately after Trump called on them to do so
  • The Trump team had and extremely unusual number of contacts with Russians, and most of those contacts were illegally undisclosed
  • The Trump team had a chain of contacts through Wikileaks that lead directly to the information stolen by Russian hackers and the campaign coordinated activities around the information they were told would be released
Like I said, none of these facts are even in dispute, and putting just these facts together already tells us that the Trump team did in fact collude on some level with the Russian government. It’s just a question as to how far this went, but we don’t know in large part because Trump obstructed the investigation (that’s also in the report).

Did the FBI not declare there was no evidence Trump and his officials were behind January 6th? 
No, they didn’t. The investigation is still ongoing.

This claim is however especially absurd because the evidence is all done in public in plain sight. No one is claiming Trump and his team put together a game plan on how the rioters would break down barricades and get to the chambers of congress. The claim is that Trump spent months riling up his supporters and then assembled them at the Capitol where he watched in glee at what they were doing. And he did. That again, is not disputable. And that’s before we even get to the January 6th committee which has already laid all of this out in great detail.

They even had to dispell the myth that Trump was selling secrets and had nuclear codes.
No one is claiming to have any evidence that Trump was selling nuclear secrets, and certainly no one has proven this didn’t happen. This “myth” is born from the fact that no one in Trump’s circle has even attempted to provide a reasonable explanation as to why Trump stole the documents and then tried to hide them from the national archives. In the absence of an explanation some speculation here is warranted, and the selling of these secrets is certainly reasonable.

But speculation is not a claim, so this is yet another example of right wing propaganda at work. The playbook is simple; find something that someone on the left just trough out there, pretend that this was a bold claim being made, associate everyone on the left with this “bold claim” that was made, then because there is no hard evidence on it, pretend it has been proven false, then pretend that this proves “the left” is lying to you about this. It’s amazingly stupid, but it clearly works.
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Uh, last I checked everyone IS presumed INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty in a court of law by a jury of one's peers. 

Public opinion, especially the emotively driven ignorant kind, is not a jury of one's peers. 
I addressed all of this in the post I linked you to. Read it and respond. Or… you can keep having a discussion in your own head.