BIDEN To APPOINT A GESTAPO To Investigate Trump If He Runs In 2024

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Great, glad to hear that we’re on the same page here.
I think there’s work to be done on both sides of the aisle in this matter. CA, OR, and WA come to mind on the Dem side with AZ  on the GOP side
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Let's remember that when MAGA had the opportunity to show us how they'd run a ballot counting during the Maricopa County Audit last year, they hired a bunch of hyper-partisan whack jobs who took 6 month and $9 million of taxpayer expense to confirm what the County managed in 8 days for for a few hundred thousand.  I'm not sure these are they guys to be telling us how the process can be improved.  They also sexually harrassed a bunch of girls,  illegally took a bunch of ballots to Montana without explanation, and did $2.8 million worth of damage to voting equipment.  That's how MAGA would improve the counting process.

I also don't remember any of these guy complaining about a 6 month recount last year.


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But let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" raise dead people to vote (and win) elections, and allow candidates who are controlled by the mob to run for office.

And let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" magically added absentee 400,000 ballots in Pennsylvania the night of the election and elected hyper-partison wack jobs who have known ties to the WEF's young global leaders to head up their election government departments.

Both sides are guilty of fraud and election rigging.
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  • Not sure what you are refuting here or how it is relevant to your OP
But let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" raise dead people to vote (and win) elections, and allow candidates who are controlled by the mob to run for office.
  • I think there was some evidence for this in the 1960 presidential election in Chicago.  If you have to reach back 62 years to whatabout election fraud, then let's agree the Democrats have shown marked improvement since.
And let's also not forget that the "Democracy Democrats" magically added absentee 400,000 ballots in Pennsylvania
  • no idea what you're talking about
the night of the election and elected hyper-partison wack jobs who have known ties to the WEF's young global leaders to head up their election government departments.
  • Wikipedia:  The group of Young Global Leaders  consists of 800 people chosen by the World Economic Forum organizers as being representative of contemporary leadership, "coming from all regions of the world and representing all stakeholders in society", according to the organization. After five years of participation they are considered alumni.
    • Sounds like a perfectly acceptable organiazation to have "known ties" to.
      • Is this another one of your QAnon conspiracy theories?


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the "Democracy Democrats" raise dead people to vote
No, they don’t. This is a complete lie that has been debunked over and over again.

allow candidates who are controlled by the mob to run for office.
One of the oldest conspiracy theories in the book; the unfalsifiable “person A is being controlled by nefarious group B”. Never any evidence for this claim, almost never even an attempt to identify who nefarious group B is. Just a wild assertion made up out of thin air.

the "Democracy Democrats" magically added absentee 400,000 ballots in Pennsylvania the night of the election
Yes, that’s what happens when you count ballots… the number gets added to the total. It’s not magic, just math.

If you’re complaining about the fact that the ballots didn’t get counted until election night you can thank Pennsylvania state republican legislators for that one since they mandated by law that mail in ballots not be touched until election night.

elected hyper-partison wack jobs who have known ties to the WEF's young global leaders
Please explain how having tie to the world economic forum is indicative of election rigging.

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Where is your fact based evidence for the “many many criminal activities,” or are you jsut spewing wishful thinking obfuscation! 
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  • If you are just looking for crimes committed today: failure to a appear for a Congressional deposition
  • If you are just looking for constitutional violations while in office revealed today: 
The governments of six foreign countries, including China and Saudi Arabia, spent at least $750,000 at former President Donald Trump's Washington, D.C., hotel while he was in office, according to records obtained by House Democrats, renewing scrutiny over whether he profited from foreign governments during his one term in office.
The records from Trump's longtime accounting firm, Mazars USA, were obtained by a subpoena the House Oversight and Reform Committee issued in 2019. Committee chairwoman Carolyn Maloney, a Democrat from New York, said Monday that the documents, which include hotel ledgers and receipts, "sharply call into question the extent to which President Trump was guided by his personal financial interest while in office rather than the best interests of the American people."
In a letter to the acting archivist of the United States, Maloney wrote that the records the committee obtained show the governments of Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and China spent large sums of money at the Trump International Hotel in Washington during the same periods they were seeking to influence U.S. foreign policy.
The Trump Organization, Mr. Trump's namesake business entity, owned the hotel at the time. After he won the presidency in November 2016, Trump turned control of the Trump Organization over to his two adult sons but did not divest from his business interests.
In September 2017, for example, when Trump met with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak at the White House, Razak and his delegation spent at least $259,724 during an eight-day stay at Trump's hotel, including $10,000 per night to stay in the hotel's presidential suite, according to the letter.
  • Not including 23 credible charges of sexual misconduct in varying degrees, multiple charges of corporate fraud, credible evidence of felony tax evasion,  the Daily Kos documents 55 credible felony charges (several of which Trump has publicly confessed to) since Trump started his  2016 campaign:

1) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30116, 30118; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing (or accepting) an individual contribution in excess of the lawful limit (2015) 
2) 18 U.S.C. § 371 Conspiring to commit campaign finance offenses and/or defraud the enforcement of campaign finance laws (2015-2017) 
3) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30104, 30109; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing a campaign committee to fail to report an unlawful corporate contribution (2016 - AMI) 
4) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30104, 30109; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing a campaign committee to fail to report an unlawful corporate contribution (2016 - Cohen) 
5) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30116, 30118; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing (or accepting) an individual campaign contribution in excess of statutory limits (2016) 
6) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30118; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Causing (or accepting) an unlawful corporate campaign contribution (2016) 
7) 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 1519 Causing a campaign committee to fail to report an unlawful corporate contribution (2016-2017) 
8) 18 U.S.C. § 1001 Knowingly omitting or failing to disclose a material fact (2017) 
9) 5 U.S.C. app. § 104(a)(1)-(2) Knowingly and willfully failing to report required information (2017) 
10) 18 U.S.C. § 1001; 18 U.S.C. § 2 Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2017) 
11) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2017) 
12) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - Flynn) 
13) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - firing Comey) 
14) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - Mueller) 
15) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - attempted influencing Comey) 
16) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - attempted firing Mueller) 
17) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2017 - 2018 - Sessions) 
18) 18 U.S.C. § 1001 False statement (2017 - 2019) 
19) 5 U.S.C. app. § 102(a)(3)) Criminal violation of the Ethics in Government Act (2017 - 2019) 
20) 18 U.S.C. § 1361 Willful destruction of government property (2017 - 2021) 
21) 18 U.S.C. § 2071 Willful destruction of government records (2017 - 2021) 
22) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2018 - Manafort) 
23) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2018 - McGahn) 
24) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice (2018 - Manafort jury) 
25) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2018 - 2019 - Cohen) 
26) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1503, 1505, 1512(b); 1512(c)(2) Obstruction of justice and witness tampering (2018 - 2019 - Stone) 
27) 18 U.S.C. § 201 Bribery (2019) 
28) 18 U.S.C. § 610 Coercion of political activity (2019) 
29) 18 U.S.C. § 641 Misappropriation of federal funds (2019) 
30) 18 U.S.C. §§ 1505, 1512 Obstruction of Justice (2019 -Ukraine) 
31) 52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30121 Soliciting unlawful foreign campaign contributions (2019) 
32) 18 U.S.C. § 595 Criminal violation of the Hatch Act (2020) 
33) 8 U.S.C. § 241 Conspiracy against rights (2020 - 2021) 
34) 52 U.S.C. § 20511(2)(B) Depriving state residents a fair and impartial election process (2020 - 2021) 

35) Ga. Code Ann. § 16-10-20 Knowingly making a false statement (2020 - 2021) 
36) Ga. Code Ann. § 16-10-93 Influencing government officials to withhold or alter a record (2020 - 2021) 
37) GaCodeAnn.§16-4-7 (soliciting at least one of GaCodeAnn.§§16-10-1, 16-10-20, 16-10-71, 16-10-8, 16-9-1(b), 16-9-93(b), 16-9-93(c)) Criminal solicitation of a felony (false statements and writings, false official certificates, false swearing, and/or computer trespass) (2020-1) 
38) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-566 Interfering with primaries and elections (2020 - 2021) 
39) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-603 Conspiracy to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021) 
40) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021) 
41) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021) 
42) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021 - Fake electors) 
43) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-604 (soliciting at least one of Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-596, 21-2-560, or 21-2-576 for a misdemeanor or Ga. Code Ann. §§ 21-2-566, 21-2-575, or 21-2-562 for a felony) Criminal solicitation to commit election fraud (2020 - 2021 - fraudulent results) 

44) 18 U.S.C. § 1512 Obstruction of an Official Proceeding (2020 - 2021) 
45) 18 U.S.C. § 371 Conspiracy to defraud (2020 - 2021) 
46) 18 U.S.C. § 372 Conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties (2020 - 2021) 
47) 18 U.S.C. § 595 Interference in Election by Employees of Federal or State Governments (2020 - 2021) 
48) 18 U.S.C. § 610 Coercion of political activity (2020 - 2021) 
49) 18 U.S.C.§ 2384 Seditious conspiracy (2020 - 2021) 
50) Ga. Code Ann. § 16-14-1 et. seq Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) violation (2020 - 2021) 
51) Ga. Code Ann. § 21-2-597 Intentional interference with the performance of election duties (2021) 
52) 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) Unauthorized possession of national defense information (2021 - 2022) 
53) 18 U.S.C. § 1519 Obstruction of justice (2021 - 2022) 
54) 18 U.S.C. § 2071 Concealment, removal, or destruction of government records (2021 - 2022) 
55) 18 U.S.C. § 1343 Wire fraud (2021-2022) 




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“Credible”? Define that term where the sexual misconduct is alleged. Same for the other so-called “credible” evidence! 

If any of the allegations were factually accurate, he would have been charged and tried already just like others under similar charges. But he hasn’t. Having said that, you can make these claims like everyone else who dislikes trump (TDS), but until he sees the inside of a courtroom and stand before a trier of fact, it’s all whiny bitchy nonsense (TDS)!! 

why don’t you spend all that time and energy you put into that post on an actual criminal, like Al Sharpton. 
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you can make these claims like everyone else who dislikes trump (TDS), but until he sees the inside of a courtroom and stand before a trier of fact, it’s all whiny bitchy nonsense (TDS)!! 
The justice system is designed to take away one’s freedom. We place a very high value on our freedom, so this act requires clearance of the highest bar there is; proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

The court of public opinion is where we deliberate what is reasonable so that we can determine whether any individual is worthy of the trust we place in them to make the most important decisions within our society.

It’s always telling when republicans try to defend the obvious and grotesque behavior of the MAGA leader by trying to impose the standards of our justice system onto the court of public opinion. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to recognize that Trump is guilty of various crimes. But when one is emotionally invested in refusing to accept it, this is the only card left to play.
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It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to recognize that Trump is guilty of various crimes. But when one is emotionally invested in refusing to accept it, this is the only card left to play.
Do you trust the legal process?
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If any of the allegations were factually accurate, he would have been charged and tried already just like others under similar charges. But he hasn’t.
Do you believe most sexual assault crimes that happen in this country result in charges being filed?

“Credible”? Define that term where the sexual misconduct is alleged.
Is that because you believe all women are liars?
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“Credible”? Define that term where the sexual misconduct is alleged. Same for the other so-called “credible” evidence! 
  • Credible means believable.   The meaning of the word does not change when sexual misconduct is alleged.
If any of the allegations were factually accurate, he would have been charged and tried already just like others under similar charges.
  • False.  Just look at the OP.  Public-Choice  said, "Special investigations into political opponents? Indicting the opposition? This isn't democracy. This is tyranny. Biden is officially a dictator."  He didn't say  Trump is innocent.  He said any investigation is tryrrany.  Trump is announcing for President again tonight after the entire Republican Party spent the last week telling him not to precisely because running for President has worked so well before at keeping so many charges at bay.  Just look at the Mueller report- "Trump definitely did these 11 felonies all meriting 20 years in jail but because he's president, let's ask the Republican Party if they want to convict." sums that report up nicely.
    • Look at Mar-a-Lago,  he hasn't been charged with anything even though just what he has admitted on Truth Social is enough to put anybody else in jail for decades.  Even without any charges FOX news went on a rampage for weeks just because their was investigation under way
    • The Jan 6th committee has certainly documented Trump knowledge and participation in the sedition to merit a very long jail time.  Do you really think the Republican Party would say "go ahead a try him?"   No.
    • Right now, Trump lawyers are in courtrooms prosecuting 14 different suits/charges against Trump or Trump Org.
  • The Stormy Daniels case revealed for a fact that Trump had a polticial investigative machine that pressured or paid off criminal investigation against Trump.  When Alexander Acosta made the deal that kept Epstein from talking, from doing any jail time, from public announcement, Trump rewarded him a cabinet office. The girl who claimed Trump raped her at Epstein's house when she was 13 shut up right before the 2016 election and never returned, for example.  
why don’t you spend all that time and energy you put into that post on an actual criminal, like Al Sharpton. 
  • I have always thought Sharpton should have faced incitement and obstruction of justice charges in the Brawley case.  I watch MSNBC but I always turn that shit off when Sharpton comes on.  I really hate that fucking liar.  

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Do you trust the legal process?
Not sure exactly what you mean by that, but yes I do. It’s not always going to get it right but it’s about the best system we can have.

I’m also not sure what any of this has to do with the conversation. As I already explained, the considerations of the justice  system are entirely different from the considerations of the court of public opinion, so the same standards cannot be applied to both.
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If you want to get technical, everyone commits crimes every single day; and most of the time they don’t even know it. 

Just because a handful of TDS clowns “feel” like someone committed a crime without actually knowing it for an actual [FACT], just does NOT hold up in court or reality either. in other words, ad populum arguments don’t mean shit where actual facts (to include the absence of same) are concerned. 

So keep whining like a little girl about Trump, because it’s clear he grabbed you all by your collective pussies. 
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Credible = subjective , basically, according to your answer/definition. 

It’s amazing how much time and effort you put out for your anti-Trump rants when there is an actual criminal family in the White House with direct ties to our greatest enemy, China, and who facilitates acts of treason on a near daily basis. At least with the Biden’s there is actual evidence (not subjective credibility), where there is nothing on par regarding Trump.


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so the same standards cannot be applied to both
Which is why we have elections when we can't wait for the courts.
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in the White House with direct ties to our greatest enemy, China, 
Honestly, Washington DC has done far, far more to fuck the average person over starting with the negligent sabotage of the nation's energy grid and then forcing producers to bankruptcy through the negligent Covid protocols that did nothing to "save lives" in the end. But the lobby class got ultra rich in the meanwhile (big pharma, weapons contractors, green energy lobbyists, and also fossil lobbyists as the destruction of the energy grid  means destruction of competition and mass buyouts.)

If this is what "saving democracy" looks like, we probably don't need this version.

China couldn't have asked more out of DC these last few years.
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Credible = subjective , basically, according to your answer/definition. 
  • False.  None of these charges are credible because of individual belief.  All have some manner of testimonial or evidentiary basis.
  • Seems like you've given up on your claim that if Trump were guilty he would have been/should have been charged.
  • You don't deny that Trump failed to respond to Congressional subpoena, do you?  That is criminal contempt of Congress worth months of jail time, at least.  You don't contradict or comment on yesterday's report that Trump Org accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue while making deals with foreign dictators.
there is an actual criminal family in the White House with direct ties to our greatest enemy, China
  • Quite ignorant.  Biden's micro-chip ban, Xi's rage over Taiwan put the lie to any such claim.
  • This is also whataboutism.  Are you trying to change the subject from Trump to Biden?  Does pretending Biden is guilty allow you to pretend that makes Trump less guilty of these crimes?  Let's recall that Xi has knowingly shared intelligence with Xi and other chinese spies at Mar-a-lago on multiple occassions.  Let' also remember that Jared and Ivanka were denied top secret clearance because of their close friendship with a famous Chinese spy.
, and who facilitates acts of treason on a near daily basis.
  • Mentally ill QAnon bullshit

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Just because a handful of TDS clowns “feel” like someone committed a crime without actually knowing it for an actual [FACT], just does NOT hold up in court or reality either.
You clearly didn’t absorb a word I said.

This has nothing to do with mere feelings. It’s about applying logic and reason to determine what is most reasonable to believe.

Logic doesn’t deal in certainty, so alluding to it (i.e.“knowing it for an actual fact”) is disingenuous and a distraction. But you know this already. Like I said, this is the only card you have to play.

Try again.
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so the same standards cannot be applied to both
Which is why we have elections when we can't wait for the courts.
Elections are not held in place of the courts. As I just explained, these two systems are in place to settle two entirely different types of dispute.

The justice system settles whether an individual shall retain access to his/her freedom.

Elections settle whether an individual shall be entrusted with the authority to make crucially important decisions that will shape our society.

These are not the same thing and thus require entirely different processes to determine the outcome.

This isn’t complicated, unless you want it to be. Clearly you do, but I don’t really blame you. Defending Donald Trump is the most absurd and incoherent thing any individual can attempt to do, so you clearly have no other card to play other than pretending you don’t understand the difference here or why it matters.
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Clearly you do, but I don’t really blame you. Defending Donald Trump is the most absurd and incoherent thing any individual can attempt to do, so you clearly have no other card to play other than pretending you don’t understand the difference here or why it matters.
Will you please kindly fuck off with the Trump TDS shit when responding to me, unless I actually talk about Trump (which is almost never after he pulled that lockdown bullshit). I can speak for others on this site that misrepresenting other's words makes you a weak and detestable yellow person to talk to. It's also a violation of the COC to misrepresent someone as well. Consider yourself warned.

Elections are not held in place of the courts
They most certainly are. Elections can lead to the repealing or creation of laws that make pending or expected court cases irrelevant. Courts only apply the law, elections create the law. When the courts fail, the ballot box succeeds. Not sure why you would want to make such a simple concept so complicated here....
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This has nothing to do with mere feelings. It’s about applying logic and reason to determine what is most reasonable to believe.
I'll concede that, but you still have one problem. Of all the characters in play, absolutely none of them asserting their claims of criminality upon Trump, personally, lack logic and reason and are too full of irrational emotions/feelings.
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Credible = subjective , basically, according to your answer/definition. 
  • False.  None of these charges are credible because of individual belief.  All have some manner of testimonial or evidentiary basis.
Oh BS! Who do you think you are fooling here (other than yourself)!! 

Testimonial is laughable!!! People lie to serve their own agenda, or others. Evidentiary basis? Please. do you even know or understand the merits behind evidence and the standards of admission and/or exclusion of it!?! Doubt it. I've worked for a DA's Office, the Courts...have you?


  • Seems like you've given up on your claim that if Trump were guilty he would have been/should have been charged.
Nope. If he were guilty and enough fact-based evidence was in someone's possession, someone in a position of authority with charging powers, they would have done so long long ago. The fact that they haven't, well, that alone speaks volumes about the weakness of all the BS claims of criminality upon Trump.

And I do not care about the criminality of those Trump knows, have known, or has had some measure of business dealings with. Those people bear their own responsibility as it was their criminality, not Trump's. 


  • You don't deny that Trump failed to respond to Congressional subpoena, do you?  That is criminal contempt of Congress worth months of jail time, at least. 
So what! It's not like he has ever been the first and he certainly will not be the last. 

Al Sharpton has far more to answer for, but no one seems to care about that. 


  • You don't contradict or comment on yesterday's report that Trump Org accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue while making deals with foreign dictators.
Organization, not Trump personally. Big difference. 

there is an actual criminal family in the White House with direct ties to our greatest enemy, China
  • Quite ignorant.  Biden's micro-chip ban, Xi's rage over Taiwan put the lie to any such claim.
Nope. That's psychological projection on your part. I could care less about the micro-chip ban. It's everything else tied to his son, his son's dealings, his son's laptop and all the evidence contained therein, his tapping our energy reserves and giving it all away to foreign countries while denying energy production within our own borders, the invasion he called for at the southern border, the billions upon billions of taxpayers' dollars given to foreign nations, and money laundered through that bitcoin scam to Ukraine back to the democrats in a cyclical cycle. 


  • This is also whataboutism. 
Oh fuck off with that whataboutism bullshit. You cannot have your cake and eat it to. 


, and who facilitates acts of treason on a near daily basis.
  • Mentally ill QAnon bullshit
Nope. You're just an ignorant denialist. 
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Will you please kindly fuck off with the Trump TDS shit when responding to me
No. Respectfully, I won’t because it is absolutely appropriate in this case. If you don’t bother reading the threads you decide to chime in on that’s not on me. Pay attention.

The conversation was between myself and TWS discussing how we should assess the allegations against Trump. My position was that we assess them through reason and common sense taking the most plausible conclusion, you took issue with that and instead defended a disingenuously high bar before accepting Trump’s guilt. Regardless of how you feel about him, that in this case, means you are in the position of defending him with this disingenuous argument, so I characterized your position as such.

Elections are not held in place of the courts
They most certainly are. Elections can lead to the repealing or creation of laws that make pending or expected court cases irrelevant
We’re talking about assessing whether Trump committed crimes, not how we can retroactively make him innocent by gaining power.

Let me know when you’d like to come back to the conversation.
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Of all the characters in play, absolutely none of them asserting their claims of criminality upon Trump, personally, lack logic and reason and are too full of irrational emotions/feelings.
I think you misspoke, but as I understand your point here; the individuals asserting that Trump is guilty lack logic and are emotional.

If that’s your point it is completely irrelevant to everything I have said and pointless. The reasonableness of concluding Trump’s guilt or innocence is in no way connected to who asserts it.

Do you believe Trump is guilty of committing a crime with regards to his handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and subsequent investigation into it? Yes or No?
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Of all the characters in play, absolutely none of them asserting their claims of criminality upon Trump, personally, lack logic and reason and are too full of irrational emotions/feelings.
I think you misspoke, but as I understand your point here; the individuals asserting that Trump is guilty lack logic and are emotional.

If that’s your point it is completely irrelevant to everything I have said and pointless. The reasonableness of concluding Trump’s guilt or innocence is in no way connected to who asserts it.
You are correct, I misspoke. I meant to say none of them possess logic or reason and are full of emotion.

My point is not irrelevant. As a vast majority of charges laid against others are premised in emotive retorts. Driving and get hit in a car by an idiot clearly in the wrong, you get pissed off and get in their face. If the MSM says X and you should be pissed, and politicians you like parrot the same, you get pissed and believe their bullshit.

ALL the charges levied against Trump have been proven FALSE! Russia-gate. Grab them by the pussy (hyperbole). The ugly woman claiming Trump raped her. It's all bullshit. Until a smoking gun is actually found, I call bullshit on ALL OF IT!!!


Do you believe Trump is guilty of committing a crime with regards to his handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago and subsequent investigation into it? Yes or No?

Nope. Every President before him, he himself, and anyone after him have the exact same legal authority to declare, whenever they declare, that any government document is declassified and becomes their own possession for Presidential historical purposes (e.g., shit that goes into their personal Presidential Library). 
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Nope. Every President before him, he himself, and anyone after him have the exact same legal authority to declare, whenever they declare, that any government document is declassified and becomes their own possession for Presidential historical purposes (e.g., shit that goes into their personal Presidential Library). 
That's completely made up bullshit, declassifying a document does not change it's ownership, even if they can declassify a document, that doesn't give them the right to steal it by any stretch of the imagination.  Even a thug President.
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Trump won't run without a realistic chance of winning. It why his third party attempts at running have always lasted like 2 weeks before he dropped out. 

this aged well
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“it. But as an ABA Legal Fact Check posted Oct. 17 explains, legal guidelines support his contention that presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.“

“As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.”



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Trump has claimed he declassified everything many times on Trump Social and Tucker Carlson, etc. but his lawyers have never made this claim in court, not even a little bit.  Trump's lawyers understand perfectly that while a President can declassify most things on command (nuclear secrets are definitely not on the list), he still must actually issue that command and an archivist has to actually change the classification of the document- which involves a lot of stamping and copying and blacking shit out- it is an official process that archivists will support on the fly if a President requires it.  Trump knows that he didn't follow that process and without the official archivist process, his claims of declassification mean absolutely nothing because he can't prove anything.  No judge following the law would recognize Trump's claim  without the requisite paperwork making the declassification official  so Trump does not bother making it in court.   Also, taking classified documents out of a secure site without all the proper declassifying process is theft and espionage.  Anybody other American except Trump would be in jail charged with espionage right now just based on the crimes Trump openly admits to committing.   Naturally, Trump has no problem lying about it to Republicans because all Republicans are too worshipful or too chickenshit to challenge his lies.