Democrats Are Performing SO HORRIBLY That Even The Head of Strategizing Lost Reelection IN NEW YORK

Author: Public-Choice

Posts

Total: 36
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,167
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
Ya well Democrats try to be fair and set an example for good governance. I think it’s crazy if the other side (red states)doesn’t do it too.
You do realize that it was Democratic justices on the NY Court of Appeals that ruled the map unconstitutional right? You also realize that the people of New York put this issue on the ballot. Gerrymandering laws exist in Florida, and their courts upheld the map

Well if you are talking about the shape of the district that s not the sole indicator of a gerrymandered district
You’re confusing a geography problem with a gerrymandering problem. Democrats can’t get a majority of the House seats in WI even though they can win nationwide, for one reason. Dem voters are packed in 2 areas: Madison and Milwaukee. There’s literally one seat each for both cities. But the rest of the state is disproportionately red.

New York has a similar problem with NYC.


IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@ILikePie5
You also realize that the people of New York put this issue on the ballot. 
Yes, the people of New York i.e. Democrats, try to be fair. They passed this new process. Florida has no such lofty goals.

“Under a process passed by voters in 2014, New York's new district maps were supposed to have been drawn by an independent commission. But that body, made up of equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans, couldn't agree on one set of maps”

“In a handful of other states, (Florida) courts ruled that Republicans had gerrymandered maps but did not enforce those rulings, but in New York, the judges insisted the lines be redrawn this year“

“Cuomo had struck a corrupt bargain with Senate Republicans a decade ago to put in place a flawed redistricting process AND appointed the conservative judges who struck down the lines”

“The final map was drawn by a Carnegie Mellon postdoctoral fellow named Jonathan Cervas, who was appointed as a special master by the state’s Supreme Court. What Cervas produced was immediately viewed as disastrous for Democrats“

In 2019, the US Supreme Court allowed unfettered political gerrymandering without federal court oversight in Rucho v. Common Cause. The Rucho case ruled gerrymanders “nonjusticiable,” which means that as long as legislatures claim they drew their maps for purely political reasons, those maps cannot be challenged in federal court for constitutional violations (they can still be challenged in state court, but that doesn’t necessarily help under all state Constitutions). It set the stage for red states to aggressively redraw their maps, unconstitutional disenfranchisement of voters be damned.

“…the Florida legislature drew a redistricting map that largely preserved the pre-Census congressional districts, giving Republicans a slight but not overwhelming advantage in representation. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis wouldn’t accept those legislative maps and ordered them redrawn. The DeSantis approved map “cracked” half of the state’s majority Black districts and split them up among overwhelmingly Republican districts. The new districts paid off, netting Republicans three additional seats in Congress on Tuesday night”

The DeSantis gerrymander was challenged in court—but it was state court because of the Rucho decision. Since conservatives control the Florida state supreme court, they handed DeSantis and the Republican party a victory in the redistricting case.



IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
The GOP needed to net just five seats to flip control of the House, and seven were nearly handed to them by New York and Florida alone—because one court stepped in to force a pro-Republican gerrymander and another court refused to step in and stop one. And all the while, the Supreme Court says it’s not its problem that Republicans are jamming the levers of democracy.
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,167
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
The GOP needed to net just five seats to flip control of the House, and seven were nearly handed to them by New York and Florida alone—because one court stepped in to force a pro-Republican gerrymander and another court refused to step in and stop one. And all the while, the Supreme Court says it’s not its problem that Republicans are jamming the levers of democracy.
NY was winnable for Dems if Kathy Hochul was a good candidate. She literally by herself dragged 3-4 congressional challengers and incumbents down by like 10-15 points. That’s not me saying that, it’s DCCC Chairman Sean Patrick Maloney who lost his seat. NY was not a pro-GOP gerrymander by anyways. It was a nonpartisan map.

Florida followed their state constitution. Deal with it. Even Democratic judges ruled their own party’s map an egregious gerrymander. That should say something. No objective person can look at Florida’s map and say it’s gerrymandered. Geographical limits doesn’t equal gerrymandering. Protecting community interest doesn’t equal gerrymanderinf
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@ILikePie5
No objective person can look at Florida’s map and say it’s gerrymandered. Geographical limits doesn’t equal gerrymandering. Protecting community interest doesn’t equal gerrymanderinf
That’s bullshit. DeSantis deliberately broke up black districts to weaken black political power and protect white community interests. It was blatantly unconstitutional but the state courts didn’t care.  In the south, it isn’t against the law to be racist and pass laws that disadvantage groups based on race.

My whole point is red states have laws and constitutions that make it legal to discriminate based on race or partisan politics and blue states do not allow 
such discrimination. You might as well be defending white-only drinking fountains because “it’s the law” so it’s legal.
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,167
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
That’s bullshit. DeSantis deliberately broke up black districts to weaken black political power and protect white community interests. It was blatantly unconstitutional but the state courts didn’t care.  In the south, it isn’t against the law to be racist and pass laws that disadvantage groups based on race.
You’re not a state court judge. I’m more likely to trust a state court judge who has studied constitutional law for years. Having that black district was a gerrymander. Just look at the district lol. Take a look at the Louisiana district that’s mandated by the VRA.

My whole point is red states have laws and constitutions that make it legal to discriminate based on race or partisan politics and blue states do not allow 
such discrimination.
That is false. Both red states and blue states gerrymander, and both have non-partisan commissions as well. Illinois has the most egregious gerrymander in the nation.

You might as well be defending white-only drinking fountains because “it’s the law” so it’s legal.
What? Drawing a Jacksonville to Tallahassee district just so black people who have nothing in common in terms of community of interest are together is literally the definition of a racial gerrymander