Public-Choice v. Oromagi - The 2020 Election Should Be Decertified

HOLY GODDAMN FUCK

THE ENTIRE POINT OF A BLOCKCHAIN IS THAT YOU CAN VERIFY YOUR VOTE

IT'S A PUBLICLY AUDITABLE LEDGER

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE BLOCKCHAIN AND SEE YOUR VOTE WAS REGISTERED AS YOU INTENDED

TRANSPARENT AND VERIFIABLE

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 theoretically, that's supposed to be impossible

according to who exactly ?

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nearly a quarter of all known scams involve some form of crypto

This statement is made from a profound ignorance of the vulnerabilities of the current system.

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nearly a quarter of all known scams involve some form of crypto

So, do you agree or disagree with Dream's claim that  with blockchain tech you can have a secret ballot which is auditable by anyone with a computer and where the only method of fraud requires a conspiracy to issue false vote tokens, and that conspiracy could be detected by sufficient surveillance.

Is it secure enough to guarantee anonymity?

1.) People who don't understand the technology and distrust those who do.

2.) People who fear democracy, and deep down know their interests and ideals are best served through fraud

and The National Academy of Sciences is so obviously neither.  

I thought all the early white papers and sales pitches  on cryptocurrency promised anonymity.

I just thought it was funny that you proclaimed "There are two types of people who don't immediately agree {with me]

1.) People who don't understand the technology and distrust those who do.

2.) People who fear democracy, and deep down know their interests and ideals are best served through fraud

and The National Academy of Sciences is so obviously neither.  

• Would you mail voters their token code in plain text, non coded form?  or would you eliminate vote by mail?
  
• Say Greg Abbot is your Governor and the power goes out for a week when it gets cold and election day is cold?  Is there some kind of back up system or do we have to wait for the power to come on for these voters to vote?  If the power is out past the election day deadline are these voters denied the right to vote?
  
• If power outages and DoS attacks can substantially suppress voting what's to keep Roger Stone from calculating exactly which Democratic strongholds need to be out of service in Wisconsin and Georgia for a couple of hours to guarantee a MAGA win and then ordering some DoS or well-timed transformer explosions?
  
• If voters can prove how they voted from their phone, doesn't that increase the opportunities for coercion and vote-selling?  Say, Milo Yianopoulos goes onto a traditionally liberal voting campus and puts the word out that he'll give $20 to anybody who can prove they voted for Trump?  How would we detect this kind of vote-selling?  Say an abusive husband demands that his wife prove that she voted for Trump when she comes home?
  
• Doesn't high volume significantly increase the cost and decrease the process time of block chain transactions?  Would a national one-day event overload the system and drive up the costs?
  
• Wouldn't it be true that any election official with access to the secure lockbox would be able to check voter's ballot?  Would that kind of vulnerability violate voters' Constitutional right to anonymity?
  
• If we're using Open Source on Pi Raspberry for everything, wouldn't it be fairly simple for some voting administrator to load some remote sharing software?
  

speech on appeals to authority

• Wouldn't it be true that any election official with access to the secure lockbox would be able to check voter's ballot?  Would that kind of vulnerability violate voters' Constitutional right to anonymity?
  

 you don't understand that an appeal to authority

• Would you mail voters their token code in plain text, non coded form?  or would you eliminate vote by mail?
  

• Say Greg Abbot is your Governor and the power goes out for a week when it gets cold and election day is cold?  Is there some kind of back up system or do we have to wait for the power to come on for these voters to vote?  If the power is out past the election day deadline are these voters denied the right to vote?
  

• If power outages and DoS attacks can substantially suppress voting what's to keep Roger Stone from calculating exactly which Democratic strongholds need to be out of service in Wisconsin and Georgia for a couple of hours to guarantee a MAGA win and then ordering some DoS or well-timed transformer explosions?
  

• If voters can prove how they voted from their phone, doesn't that increase the opportunities for coercion and vote-selling?  Say, Milo Yianopoulos goes onto a traditionally liberal voting campus and puts the word out that he'll give $20 to anybody who can prove they voted for Trump?  How would we detect this kind of vote-selling?  Say an abusive husband demands that his wife prove that she voted for Trump when she comes home?
  

• Doesn't high volume significantly increase the cost and decrease the process time of block chain transactions?  Would a national one-day event overload the system and drive up the costs?
  

• If we're using Open Source on Pi Raspberry for everything, wouldn't it be fairly simple for some voting administrator to load some remote sharing software?
  

you seem to simply ignore the person you're talking to and instead simply DECLARE that what you personally consider an "authority" is basically "unquestionable"

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• Would you mail voters their token code in plain text, non coded form?  or would you eliminate vote by mail?
  

registered voters could show up in person at some point, any point really, to present their credentials and be randomly assigned one of the official e20 tokens from their local election authority

and at that point they could vote from anywhere on the planet with their unique code and also verify their vote online

• OK, but you'd have to agree that kill the number one advantage of mail-in voting, right?
• How would overseas and US Military work.  Would you run servers on foreign networks?
  

are you familiar with the concept of "institutional inertia" ?

and obviously paper ballots could very easily be used in "emergency" special cases

this "problem" is not specific to blockchain voting

any infrastructure failure is going to affect the "current system" and any "proposed system" equally

all of these "frightening scenarios" apply equally to the current "mail-n-ballot" system

One of the main reasons for the upgrade is scalability. The current Ethereum network can only support around 30 transactions per second; this causes delays and congestion. Ethereum 2.0 promises up to 100,000 transactions per second. This increase will be achieved through the implementation of shard chains.

how are they going to fake the receipt that the voter takes home ?

We have already demonstrated that you don't understand that an appeal to authority must be shown to be irrelevant to thesis in order to be fallacious. 

You wouldn't ignore your doctor's opinion regarding your CAT scan on the grounds that he is an authority on the subject.

In any case, I was not offering an argument of any kind. 

I was merely illustrating your arrogance.

If power outages and DoS attacks can substantially suppress voting what's to keep Roger Stone from calculating exactly which Democratic strongholds need to be out of service in Wisconsin and Georgia for a couple of hours to guarantee a MAGA win and then ordering some DoS or well-timed transformer explosions?

If voters can prove how they voted from their phone, doesn't that increase the opportunities for coercion and vote-selling?  Say, Milo Yianopoulos goes onto a traditionally liberal voting campus and puts the word out that he'll give $20 to anybody who can prove they voted for Trump?  How would we detect this kind of vote-selling?  Say an abusive husband demands that his wife prove that she voted for Trump when she comes home?

Wouldn't it be true that any election official with access to the secure lockbox would be able to check voter's ballot?  Would that kind of vulnerability violate voters' Constitutional right to anonymity?

When Dream pontificates a fairly controversial opinion in the blockchain community and declares "only the stupid or corrupt could possibly disagree" that is a classic "poisoning the well" form of abusive ad hominem.   One excellent retort is to put some well recognized example in the position of being poisoned.  That exposes the poisoner as the fallacious.