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I wonder how far down this road America will travel before it is acceptable to appreciate men again, in the family, in marriages, and in the workplace.
I don't know.  I used to think that wokeness would run its course in much the same way that a virus would.  But I underestimated the timescale. 

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There really is no need to speculate or ask any of the users here what a reparation plan would be for perceived racism. We have 7 years of BLM activism to show us exactly what reparations would look like. Money funneled directly into the banks of professional race grifters and zero money funneled to people who are in and out of prison.
Not to mention, you need only look at their mission statement (which can't explain the relevance of transgender inclusion and "ending the patriarchy") to understand that this fourth wave racialism is nothing more than a racket.

you can NOT monolithically create a universal term like "Black Culture" and have it apply to all dark skinned Americans.
BINGO!

Because you cannot define the term "Black Culture" for those reasons, you also cannot define "white privilege"
BINGO!

If you really want to understand the distinct variations between the many cultures of every skin color of America, I strongly suggest investing time with an audiobook from Dr Sowell called Black Rednecks and White liberals.
Good book.

After you learn the book, you will never again use the term "Black Culture" or "White culture"
Thus making TWS1405's allusion to "Black Culture" after referencing said book demonstrative of a lack of understanding.

the government rewarding Black women financially for he destruction of the nuclear family (which BLM bizarrely describes as a good thing in their manifesto)
BINGO!

There needs to be both a cultural shift in America followed by policy changes and laws that discourage women initiated divorces  instead of blindly maintaining the status quo encouraging the destruction of the nuclear family. Similar policies need to also discourage having children out of wedlock.
One cannot seek assistance from the instrument of one's demise.


I wonder how far down this road America will travel before it is acceptable to appreciate men again, in the family, in marriages, and in the workplace.
It can't help that Western media--namely sitcoms--portrays fathers as overweight doofuses. But even with all that, I wouldn't let American politics and even mainstream media dictate the perception of appreciation for men. Just speaking from my own experience with my father, and fathers of relatives and friends, there's no perceived lack of appreciation.



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I would like to address the same problem Coal brought up which is the government rewarding Black women financially for he destruction of the nuclear family
so basically, if a woman qualifies for SNAP, it shouldn't matter if she has a live-in boyfriend or a husband ?
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That has no relevance to out of wedlock kids.
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One cannot seek assistance from the instrument of one's demise.

At the very least, we need to undo the policies.
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what the fuck is a "culture problem" and how do you propose to "fix" it ?
It's going to have to start with the individuals concerned. In the words of the illustrious Denzel Washington, and I'm paraphrasing here, "if you believe the system is rigged against you, then why help it?"
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At the very least, we need to undo the policies.
Or not indulge them.

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Or not indulge them.

Not really a choice if you do not own the monopoly on violence.
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Not really a choice if you do not own the monopoly on violence.
True in some cases (in virtually all cases in fact.) But in the cases where one has a choice absent of duress, one can choose to not accept things like welfare or child support, or resolving disputes using the American court system.
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That approach would require a return to the culture of public shaming.
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what the fuck is a "culture problem" and how do you propose to "fix" it ?
It's going to have to start with the individuals concerned. In the words of the illustrious Denzel Washington, and I'm paraphrasing here, "if you believe the system is rigged against you, then why help it?"
always blame individuals for systemic failures
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always blame individuals for systemic failures
Not blaming the individuals--at least, not entirely. Only that individuals should own up and take responsibility for feeding those system failures--and I use that term loosely given that "failure" is contingent on the system's goal.

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always blame individuals for systemic failures
Not blaming the individuals--at least, not entirely. Only that individuals should own up and take responsibility for feeding those system failures--and I use that term loosely given that "failure" is contingent on the system's goal.
stated goals and ACTUAL goals of course rarely being coherent
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Nope. It's the black children that would benefit more than white kids
America went through a civil war to avoid such a situation where black children  would benefit more than white kids.

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I am beginning to think you're a troll account. The nonsense you're talking is on par with what wylted used to do when he was trying to stir the pot.  
You must be coal that heats the pot.

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Are you suggesting it will take another civil war to help disadvantaged black kids? I sure hope not.
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I would say statically speaking, there is examples of white privilege in society, but there are also other privileges society for other races as such. 
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I would say statically speaking, there is examples of white privilege in society, but there are also other privileges society for other races as such. 
Okay. Please provide some of those examples of factual white privilege, not subjective. 

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Obviously, the idea of so-called "reparations" is unconscionable at every conceivable level.  Particularly where, as is the case with BLM, that entire group seems to be no more than a front to launder money from the purported "cause" to the purported "leaders."  

Financially, BLM is basically the same thing as the PLO. 

Politically, they're basically the same thing as Hamas.  

But BLM's similarities to terrorist organizations is low-hanging fruit; that group is so easy to find fault with any idiot could do it, and only an idiot could possibly support their activities (much less donate money to their objectives).

Here's the broader point to consider:  WHY are so-called "reparations" even proposed?  Take Ta Nasi Coates' argument at face value, as an illustration of that argument's stupidity.  I'll pick on him since he's a target my own size, as opposed to whoever these woke people are posting in this thread.  

The idea is that by giving money to individuals who purportedly belong to one or more group(s) that were 'oppressed' we are rebalancing the scale of historical inequity.  Essentially, so-called 'white' wealth has accumulated over time and that accumulation is due in substantial part to slavery.  White people got rich.  Black people got less than 40 acres and a mule.  A century of segregation followed, which further prevented 'black' wealth accumulation. 

Assuming for the sake of argument that wealth can be accumulated by groups (as opposed to individuals, who, it turns out, are the actually relevant societal units unlike groups), the way you'd prove that argument is by talking about things like average net worth of 'black' families, relative to something as a point of comparison.  

If you accumulated that data, which some people --- i.e., Thomas Sowell --- have, I'm sure many would be shocked to learn that black folks in fact meteorically improved their standard of living, generation after generation until a certain series of events in the 1960s when LBJ was elected.  What changed, you might wonder?  Well, the state decided that it was going to involve itself in black folks' lives to an increasing degree, which was one of those stupid ideas that progressives implemented 'with the best of intentions' without any notion of what 'could possibly go wrong'.  

Tremendous horror unfolded.  People wonder why the lack of black fathers is so pervasive that it's a meme.  LBJ's presidency and social initiatives are why.  The government destroyed families, started constructing housing projects like Pruitt–Igoe and kicked off a range of initiatives that vitiated the human networks through which black folks' lives and standards of living had improved since the end of the civil war.  And that's all very clear in the data Sowell has published on time and time and time again.  

It's tragic, really.  Expanding welfare more than anything else probably did the most harm, because that meant that the financial costs of children born out of wedlock no longer had to be a father's responsibility.  So, with reproduction unmoored from marriage; black fatherhood, or the lack of it, became a meme.  Roe v. Wade thereafter made those problems worse.  Entire generations of black babies were aborted after that egregiously wrong decision was handed down.  When you actually look at the demographics of who was aborting babies, the data are sufficient to make your blood run cold.  If there ever was any so-called 'white' privilege, it was the fact that you had a much better chance of not being aborted if you were white than if you were black, post-Roe.  Sowell compellingly argues that without Roe, more black babies would have been born and they would have accumulated considerable more social and economic capital, absent the "Great Society" bullshit of LBJ's presidency. 

In reality, however, intergenerational poverty is hardly limited to black folks' though.  White trash families throughout the South and the rest of this country remain at the bottom of the economic scale.  Ever been to West Virginia?  Eastern Kentucky?  California's numerous trailer parks?  They're as bad or worse as Chicago's South Side from a poverty perspective.  The reasons why are the same: there is no surer way to remain poor for the rest of your life than to have kids out of wedlock.

B I N G O!!!!! 
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LOL!!! Good one! 
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You brought up White Privilege in another topic, so I came here to state my opinion.
I am of the opinion that individuals possess varying characteristics that give them advantages and disadvantages in outcomes, varying on different situations,
So what?

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@Greyparrot
America went through a civil war to avoid such a situation where black children  would benefit more than white kids.

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Are you suggesting it will take another civil war to help disadvantaged black kids? I sure hope not.
After reparation is paid to the blacks for slavery. Whites will experience the social and economic  advantage  blacks now have and resort to old solutions like a civil war.
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You cant spell Shila without AI.
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Why does your post on white and black family values  exclude Asians. Is it because whites don’t  compare well against Asians?
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Reparations have already been give.  But as usual, black Americans make demands for more free shit. 
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Reparations have already been give.  But as usual, black Americans make demands for more free shit.
Reparation was only paid to white farmers who gave up slaves. But the slaves themselves were not given reparation.

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You can't spell reparation without AI.
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Reparation was only paid to white farmers who gave up slaves. But the slaves themselves were not given reparation.
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You can't spell reparation without AI.
I just proved you wrong. So maybe you have that problem.