Trump is an idiot

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Wasn’t Trump’s buddy Mike Lindell addicted to crack?

And Trump’s older brother - he died of alcoholism.

Are they idiots too?
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It's actually amazing that The Democrats can't put an idiot in jail after 6 years. Guess the Democrats are exponentially less smart than Trump at the game.
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It's always amusing when an idiot calls another person they do not know, personally or otherwise, an idiot. Hypocrisy 101. 
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It's always amusing when an idiot calls another person they do not know, personally or otherwise, an idiot. Hypocrisy 101.
But how would you call me an idiot then? You don’t know me “personally or otherwise”. Hypocrisy 201.


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500 new business starts and only 6 failed, all the rest sold at a profit. Prove all the rest of your accusations. 

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But how would you call me an idiot then? You don’t know me “personally or otherwise”. Hypocrisy 201.
Everyone is a puzzle. 

Each response adds to that puzzle painting a clear picture of the kind of person you are. 

You betray yourself. That's how. ;-)

And you just proved your intellectual cowardice by blocking me. 
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After carefully sifting through many possible interpretations the only one that makes any sense is that Biden was protecting Hunter in his demand
You think this makes sense because you have ignored or just hand waive away every fact which does not align.

The Vice President does not have the authority to make this decision on his own, so it wasn’t even coming from him.

Everyone within the federal government including the intelligence agencies and congress, and even the European Union all agreed with this move. Again, this wasn’t Joe Biden, it was official US policy.

The investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time Biden did this, and the events that were under investigation occurred on 2010, years before Hunter joined the board so he had no personal exposure regardless.

Meanwhile the Trump/Ukraine couldn’t be any more obvious but you cherry pick your facts there as well to make it seem plausible that he was just out to stop corruption. Why?
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Trump could have done it to Hillary and Joe Biden but he didn't.
No, he actually couldn’t. Executing a search warrant requires the DOJ to show probable cause that the subject not only committed a crime but that evidence of said crime is in the location requesting to be searched, and have all this signed off by a federal judge. The law is not Twitter where you get to just say anything. Facts actually matter here.

And this is of course assuming Trump manages to corrupt the DOJ entirely to the point where the president is giving the orders, something Trump always wanted because unlike Biden, Trump doesn’t understand why it is important for the DOJ to operate independently.
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500 new business starts and only 6 failed, all the rest sold at a profit. Prove all the rest of your accusations. 
You think Trump had 500 profitable businesses? Name 20. And real estate counts as one big failure because he declared bankruptcy.

He had an airline, a casino, a “university”,  steaks, water, golf course, 
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I blocked you because you’re an idiot.
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After carefully sifting through many possible interpretations the only one that makes any sense is that Biden was protecting Hunter in his demand
You think this makes sense because you have ignored or just hand waive away every fact which does not align.
Pick one and we'll focus on it till resolution. Then we will agree on the resolution, return to the whole issue and pick another fact. Rinse and repeat until the truth is known to us both. That's the only way to resolve this.  To state the obvious our disagreement is not an isolated event but is represnetative of a disagreement between tens of millions of people and is a stepping stone towards the dissolution of a nation.


The Vice President does not have the authority to make this decision on his own, so it wasn’t even coming from him.
That does not follow.
1.) He could be bluffing, for all the Ukrainian government knew he could stop the funds alone.
2.) It could be coming from him, with Obama going along as a favor.


Everyone within the federal government including the intelligence agencies and congress, and even the European Union all agreed with this move. Again, this wasn’t Joe Biden, it was official US policy.
Provide evidence, from before the quid pro quo.


The investigation into Burisma was dormant at the time Biden did this, and the events that were under investigation occurred on 2010, years before Hunter joined the board so he had no personal exposure regardless.
That is not what Viktor Shokin said, nor does that claim line up with the fact that Mykola Zlochevsky's assets were seized around 4/2/2016. See the screen capture of interfax-Ukraine:



Feb 2nd 2016.


Meanwhile the Trump/Ukraine couldn’t be any more obvious but you cherry pick your facts there as well to make it seem plausible that he was just out to stop corruption. Why?
There is no other plausible motive. Why would Trump want Hunter and burisma investigated if he didn't think there was corruption?


Executing a search warrant requires the DOJ to show probable cause that the subject not only committed a crime but that evidence of said crime is in the location requesting to be searched, and have all this signed off by a federal judge.
Or just find a judge who went to Epstein's island and blackmail him....
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I blocked you because you’re an idiot.
Says the village idiot. ROTFLMAO!!!!
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The DOJ literally had Hunter Biden's laptop in their possession back in 2019, when the laptop repairman literally gave the FBI the contents of Hunter's laptop. [1] Trump literally could have done it. The FBI had all the information for a warrant they needed. The leaked emails show grave efforts by both President Biden and Hunter to obstruct justice. They also show collusion with a foreign power. [2]

Trump was investigated for far less evidence than that, and even the FBI ultimately agreed on their official reports, regardless of why or where they got the warrants, that there was no evidence Trump colluded with Russia. [3] 



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that there was no evidence Trump colluded with Russia. 
What was the meeting with Russians in Trump Tower about?

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That does not follow.
1.) He could be bluffing, for all the Ukrainian government knew he could stop the funds alone.
2.) It could be coming from him, with Obama going along as a favor.
The Ukrainian government knows how the US government works, it’s not a secret.

Obama wouldn’t go along with stopping foreign aid to an ally unless there is an actual reason. This isn’t something you do and no one notices, just ask Trump.

Provide evidence, from before the quid pro quo.

That is not what Viktor Shokin said
It’s what Vitaly Kasko says.

nor does that claim line up with the fact that Mykola Zlochevsky's assets were seized around 4/2/2016.
His personal assets were seized, there’s no indication that had anything to do with Burisma. If it did they would have seized company assets.

There is no other plausible motive. Why would Trump want Hunter and burisma investigated if he didn't think there was corruption?
He didn’t care whether they were investigated, according to Gordon Sondland anyway, all he cared about was that the investigation was announced. And what do you mean no plausible motive? He wanted the investigation announced so that he could use it to slander his political opponent. That’s clearly what this was all about.

Let me ask you a question, if you believe Trump was legitimately trying to stop corruption in Ukraine and that Trump believed he was right… why did Trump all of a sudden resume the payments to Ukraine after this story broke? Was the corruption fixed? Did anything change? Mission accomplished?


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That does not follow.
1.) He could be bluffing, for all the Ukrainian government knew he could stop the funds alone.
The Ukrainian government knows how the US government works, it’s not a secret.
The bureaucracy is not transparent. Furthermore Biden bragged that he had Obama on his side, that could have been a bluff. Then even if his victims "knew" only POTUS could stop the funds they may have believed Obama and Biden were in bed.


2.) It could be coming from him, with Obama going along as a favor.
Obama wouldn’t go along with stopping foreign aid to an ally unless there is an actual reason. This isn’t something you do and no one notices, just ask Trump.
You trust Obama to not do something shady? then I trust Guilani. Stalemate.

Double failure:
1.) Doesn't mention Shokin.

See:


That is not what Viktor Shokin said
It’s what Vitaly Kasko says.
You mean this Kasko:
"After the creation of the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office in September 2015, Joe Biden, US Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payette [sic] and the leadership of the Ukrainian office of Transparency International openly lobbied Kasko’s appointment as head of this department, including by exerting pressure on members of the selection committee through non-governmental organizations and the media information."



nor does that claim line up with the fact that Mykola Zlochevsky's assets were seized around 4/2/2016.
His personal assets were seized, there’s no indication that had anything to do with Burisma. If it did they would have seized company assets.
A comment befitting a naive child.


There is no other plausible motive. Why would Trump want Hunter and burisma investigated if he didn't think there was corruption?
He didn’t care whether they were investigated, according to Gordon Sondland anyway, all he cared about was that the investigation was announced.
According to the recording he did care if they were investigated. Deep State Sycophant vs hard evidence? I'm going with hard evidence.


He wanted the investigation announced so that he could use it to slander his political opponent. That’s clearly what this was all about.
He was no more a political opponent than Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Yang, Gabert, etc.. The difference between them and Biden was that they weren't selling US foreign policy and laundering the money through their idiot son who can't keep laptops encrypted, and then bragging about shielding his operation to a room full of cameras. (that's also why they lost the primary, deep state doesn't want honest democrats anymore than honest republicans)

There is a test to see if he was only interested in potential political rivals, did he mention anyone else? Yes he did, he said the US ambassador was "bad news".


Let me ask you a question, if you believe Trump was legitimately trying to stop corruption in Ukraine and that Trump believed he was right… why did Trump all of a sudden resume the payments to Ukraine after this story broke?
There are multiple independently plausible explanations that don't involve Trump asking for a frame job. With rough probability:
1. 80%) Trump didn't stop payments, had no intention of stopping payments, and as the recording shows did not threaten to stop payments. i.e. that was a lie perpetuated by deep-state-sycophants like Sondland. Any real delay in payment was due either to normal bureaucratic friction or as part of a frame.

2. 10%) Some deep state pawns told him he couldn't prevent payment, there sure were a lot of them around him based on how many of his own hires stabbed him in the back. He believed they were corrupt, but couldn't trust the people around him to keep the pressure on.

3. 10%) He was afraid of witch-hunt impeachments, both completely reasonable fears given the fact that the democrats in power were in a mind set of total political war and did in fact try to impeach him for the "high crime" of asking for an investigation despite the fact that you yourself admitted it is within POTUS discretion to stop funds to foreign nations.

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Selected completed properties
  • Trump Tower, 725 Fifth Avenue, Midtown Manhattan: A 58-story[147] mixed-use tower, the headquarters of the Trump Organization, was developed in partnership with The Equitable, and opened in 1983. Trump bought out the Equitable's stake in 1986,[148] and now owns the office and retail components of the tower.[149] The building also contains the three-story penthouse apartment that was Donald Trump's primary residence until he moved to the White House.[150] The value of the tower was estimated at $450 million in 2017.[151] Trump took out a $100 million mortgage on the building in 2012.[149]
  • Trump World Tower, 845 United Nations Plaza, also in Midtown Manhattan: In 2006, Forbes magazine estimated "$290 million in profits and unrealized appreciation" going to Trump.[152]
  • AXA Financial Center in Manhattan and 555 California Street in San Francisco: Trump owns a 30 percent stake in these two office buildings, resulting from a property swap involving Riverside South. Trump's stake in the two buildings was estimated to be at least $850 million as of 2013.[149]
  • The Trump Building at 40 Wall Street: Trump bought and renovated this building for $1 million in 1995. The pre-tax net operating income at the building as of 2011 was $20.89 million and is valued between $350 million and $400 million, according to the New York Department of Finance. Trump took out a $160 million mortgage attached to the property with an interest rate of 5.71% to use for other investments.[149] Forbes valued the property at $260 million in 2006.[152]
  • Trump International Hotel and Tower Chicago: The entire project is valued at $1.2 billion ($112 million stake for Trump).
  • Trump International Hotel Las Vegas: A joint development with fellow Forbes 400 members, Phil Ruffin ("key partner"), and Jack Wishna ("minority partner").[153] In 2006, Trump's stake was estimated at $162 million.[152] In Forbes in March 2017, the Trump International Las Vegas was described as a 50-50 partnership between Donald Sr. and Ruffin, with Eric as the primary manager for the Trump Organization.[89]
  • Trump International Hotel and Tower New York: Trump provided his name and expertise to the building's owner (GE) during the building's re-development in 1994 for a fee totaling $40 million ($25 million for project management and $15 million in incentives deriving from the condo sales). Forbes values Trump's stake at $12 million. In March 2010, the penthouse apartment at Trump International Hotel & Tower in New York City sold for $33 million.[154][155]
  • Trump Park Avenue Park Avenue & 59th Street: It is valued at $142 million. Trump owns 23 apartments at Trump Park Avenue, which he rents for rates as high as $100,000 per month, and 19 units at Trump Parc.[149]
  • 6 East 57th Street: Trump has a leasehold interest on this retail building, adjacent to Trump Tower, through the year 2079.[156] The building was occupied by a Niketown store from 1996 to 2018.[156][157] The value of Trump's interest was estimated at $470 million as of 2015.[158]
  • Mar-a-Lago: A historic estate in Palm Beach, Florida, most of which was converted by Trump into a members-only resort. The property was worth as much as $250 million as of 2013.[149] Trump also owns two neighboring private houses, valued at $6.5 million and $3 million.[149]
  • Seven Springs: A 213-acre (86 ha) estate with a 13-bedroom mansion near Bedford, New York. Trump paid $7.5 million for the property in 1995.[159] Local brokers put the property's value at around $40 million as of 2013.[149] Trump had hoped to develop the land with a golf course or houses, but apparently abandoned those plans in 2015.[159]
  • Beverly Hills house: A 5-bedroom home purchased by Trump in 2007 for $7 million,[160] and valued between $8.5 and $10 million as of 2013.[149] Sold the property in June 2019, off-market, for $13.5 million.
Carousel
In 2010, Trump took over the management of the Central Park Carousel, a merry-go-round located in Manhattan's Central Park, promising to revive the merry-go-round after its previous operator was removed by the city's parks department. The carousel generated $589,000 from annual admissions.[161][162][163] The Trump Organization had a contract to operate the carousel through April 2021.[164] The contract was awarded to another company in 2021.[165]
Skating rinks
Main articles: Wollman Rink and Lasker Rink
In 1986, Trump rebuilt the deteriorating Wollman Rink two months ahead of schedule and $750,000 under the $2.5 million price ceiling imposed by the city.[166][167][168] Trump asked his contractors, among them HRH Construction, to do the work without making a profit, promising them publicity but not mentioning their contributions to the press afterwards.[169] Trump was given a concession to operate the rink for a year, with the profits to be given to charity. In 1987, as part of the agreement to keep operating Wollman Rink, the Trump Organization agreed to also take a concession for the Lasker Rink; they held the concessions until 1995.[170]
In 2001, a Trump-owned subsidiary, Wollman Rink Operations LLC, won another concession to operate the rinks until April 30, 2021.[171][172] Wollman Rink Operations LLC is owned by DJT Holdings LLC which was owned by the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust for the duration of Trump's presidency.[171] The Trump name was prominently displayed on the walls of the Wollman Rink and on the Zamboni maintaining the ice. In 2019, the Trump Organization replaced the name with Wollman Rink logos.[173] In his financial disclosure filed in May 2018, Trump reported nearly $35 million in income from the two rinks since 2015.[171][162]
The Trump Organization's contract to operate the rinks expired in April 2021.[164][174][175]

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Trump Winery
Trump Winery is a winery situated on Trump Vineyard Estates near Charlottesville, Virginia. It is valued between $5 million and $25 million.[176]
The vineyard was purchased by Trump in April 2011 from Patricia Kluge, the widow of John Kluge. The property was distressed.[177] and was officially opened in October 2011.[178] Trump Winery is situated in the Monticello Wine Trail. Trump's son Eric was a partner in the purchase.[179]
After purchasing the property, Trump turned over management of the winery to his son.
Golf courses
Main article: Donald Trump and golf
The Trump Organization owns or manages seventeen golf courses in the United States, Scotland, Ireland, and the United Arab Emirates.[180] As of 2015, Trump listed income of at least $176 million in an 18-month span from his golf courses—about 41% of the low-end estimate of his income.[176]
United States
International
  • Trump International Golf Club, Dubai: A golf course owned by Damac Properties and managed by the Trump Organization.[183] Located in the Damac Hills residential development, it opened in 2017.[183] Trump's involvement with Damac head Hussain Sajwani has been cited as a source of possible conflicts of interest for Trump's presidency.[184][185]
  • Trump International Golf Links and Hotel Ireland
  • Trump International Golf Links, Scotland: A links course built in BalmedieAberdeenshire. The development of the course was controversial because of local concerns about the environmental impact, as well as a legal battle over the construction of a nearby offshore wind farm.
  • Trump Turnberry: A historic golf resort with three courses and a hotel, located in South Ayrshire, Scotland. Trump purchased the property in 2014, despite having threatened to withdraw any further investment in Scotland amid the wind farm controversy.[186]
  • Trump World Golf Club, Dubai: A second golf course under construction by Damac in its Akoya Oxygen housing development.[187] In February 2021, it was announced that the opening of the golf course was delayed until at least 2022. It was being asserted that the delay was due to the COVID-19 pandemic, but the Emirati developers were struggling to finish the real estate projects even before the pandemic.[188]
Real estate licensing


Turkish Prime Minister Erdoğan attended the opening of the Trump Towers Istanbul AVM in 2012.
Many developers pay Donald Trump to market their properties and be the public face for their projects.[189] For that reason, Trump does not own many of the buildings that display his name.[189] According to Forbes, this portion of Trump's empire, actually run by his children, has a valuation of $562 million. According to Forbes, there were 33 licensing projects under development including seven "condo hotels" (the seven Trump International Hotel and Tower developments). Trump has generated more than $74 million in real estate licensing deals and has $823.3 million worth of real estate in joint ventures.[149]
  • Manhattan:
    • Trump Palace: 200 East 69th Street, New York, NY.
    • Trump Parc and Trump Parc East: Two adjoining buildings on Central Park South on the southwest corner of The Avenue of the Americas. Trump Parc East is a 14-story apartment building and Trump Parc (the former Barbizon Plaza Hotel) is a 38-story condominium building.
    • Trump Plaza: 167 East 61st Street, New York, NY (36-story, Y-shaped plan condominium building on the Upper East Side)
    • 610 Park Avenue (Old Mayfair Hotel): Trump is helping with the construction and development of this property for Colony NorthStar.
    • Trump SoHo: Former name of The Dominick, originally a partnership with Bayrock Group. The SoHo hotel was rebranded following The Trump Organization's exit from the project.[190] "Russian-born" Felix Sater was listed as an employee of Bayrock when the partnership was born. Sater had served time in prison for injuries he inflicted in a bar fight before the Soho partnership.[90]
  • New York City suburbs:

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  • Florida:
  • Other domestic:
  • International:
    • Elite Tower, Ramat Gan, Israel was a planned commercial real estate development slated to be the tallest building in Israel. Called the Trump Plaza Tower, Trump shelved the plans in 2007, when the site was sold on to Azorim for NIS 306.5 million.[205][206] Trump purchased the site for $44 million.[207]
    • Trump International Hotel & Tower Lido Lake, West Java, Indonesia. Trump Hotels will be involved with the 700-hectare Lido Lake development, one hour from Bandung, Indonesia including a six-star luxury resort, 18-hole signature Ernie Els championship golf course, elite Lifestyle Country Club & Spa as well as a high-end residential offering including luxury villas and condominiums.[208][209] One of the Trump Organization's partners in Indonesia is Tanoesoedibjo, who is "building up a following as he mulls a presidential run", according to Forbes.[89][90] MNC Lido City is partially funded by the Chinese government.[210][211]
    • Trump International Hotel & Tower VancouverVancouver. The 63-story, 188-metre-high (617-foot), mixed-use tower in Downtown Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, was primarily a project of Donald Trump, Jr., and the CEO of Malaysian company TA Global Berhad. It was completed in 2016.[89] The Trump hotel occupies the first 15 floors of the building.[212] The hotel had reported declining revenue in 2019 and closed in March 2020. Its owner, a subsidiary of TA Global Berhad, filed for bankruptcy in August 2020.[213][214]
    • Trump Towers IstanbulIstanbulTurkey[215]
  • Trump World SeoulKorea: Which Trump received a licensing fee of $5 million to lend his name.
  • The Palm Trump International Hotel and Tower, Dubai
  • Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico was a planned 3-tower, 25-story, 526 unit hotel condominiumSan Diego. This project collapsed due to the project's failure to secure financing.
  • Trump at Cap Cana will be located in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic.
  • Trump Tower Manila, Makati City, Metro Manila, Philippines: The brand name and mark under license. Anticipated completion is to be announced.[citation needed] Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte "appointed Trump partner Jose Antonio to serve as a special envoy to the United States just before Trump's November victory".[90]
  • Trump Tower, MumbaiIndia.[216] "Billionaire Mangal Lodha is developing a 75-story, 300-apartment luxury residential project called Trump Towers building while serving as a regional vice president of a major political party."[90][217]
  • Trump Towers PuneIndia, built in association with Panchshil Realty in Pune's Kalyani Nagar area.[216][217]
  • Trump Towers, GurugramIndia, is the largest super-luxury residential development in India with 1.25 million-square-foot project near Golf Course Extension Road, which will be built by IREO alongside a retail complex.[217]
  • Trump Towers, Gurugram, India is the second project in Gurgaon tied up with developer M3M India to build a residential building in Gurgaon.[217]
  • Trump Towers Kolkata, India, is the result of tie up with Unimark Group and Trump Organization to build a 38 floor 400,000 sq. ft. residential project near Eastern Metropolitan Bypass stretch, Kolkata.[217]
  • As of February 2017 in South America, the Trump Organization had one active project: the Trump Tower Punta del Este in Punta del EsteUruguay. By that time, the company had ended its involvement with two projects in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: the partially built Trump Hotel Rio de Janeiro and the unbuilt Trump Towers Rio office complex. The company also dropped plans for another office project,[218] the 35-story Trump Office Buenos Aires,[219] which was to be built in Buenos AiresArgentina.[218] Paulo Figueiredo Filho partnered with the organization in Brazil and "worked mostly with the [Trump] children".[89]
Trump International Hotels Management LLC
The company, which did business as the Trump Hotel Collection (THC) until it was renamed Trump Hotels, manages Trump properties and Trump-branded hotels, residential buildings, and golf courses worldwide.[220][221][222]
In 2008, THC formed a consortium with the Evergrande Real Estate Group and a Hongkong-based fund to bid on the construction of the tallest skyscraper in Guangzhou. The bid fell apart when Evergrande withdrew during the global recession.[223][224][225] In 2012, Trump Hotels opened an office in Shanghai and in 2014 entered into a branding and management partnership with the State Grid Corporation of China, China's largest state-owned company, for a major development in Beijing. The project was abandoned a few months into Trump's 2016 presidential campaign when Chinese authorities began a corruption investigation into State Grid.[226][227]



Ya, Trump is an idiot, what have you done besides call people you don't know idiots?
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Like I said, Real Estate is one business Trump is in. 
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Ya, Trump is an idiot, what have you done besides call people you don't know idiots?
I didn’t inherit 400 million dollars you idiot.

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Are you aware Trump often just license his name to projects that he does not own and does not participate in actual construction?

I’m sure many of the buildings you listed are not his. And many projects you listed were failed ventures. Are you even reading the stuff you are posting from Wikipedia? And you wonder why I think you’re an idiot.

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OK your argument is superior Trump is an idiot.
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Why did you post all those real estate projects that Trump doesn’t own?  Did you really believe Trump owned all those buildings because his name was on it?
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I already said your argument is superior, Trump is an idiot. I posted all of that thinking my argument was superior to yours. But I was wrong.
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Yes, but I’m trying to understand how you could be so obtuse in your arguments. It’s important for the country to learn these things. Understanding you could be a breakthrough for the country and its return to reason and normalcy.
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The bureaucracy is not transparent. 
The US government is probably the most transparent government on earth in terms of who is responsible for what and anyone with a computer and a phone line can easily Google the powers of the Vice President. The idea that the Ukrainian government didn’t know how this works is absurd.

You trust Obama to not do something shady? then I trust Guilani. Stalemate.
Setting aside the absurdity of comparing Rudy Giuliani to Barack Obama in terms of trustworthiness… Obama was the president of the United States. He had way more to lose than anything he could have gained by allowing Biden to strongarm an ally to save his son or whatever the charge here is.

Double failure:
1.) Doesn't mention Shokin.
Because they didn’t have to. Shokin was in charge of the office. This is like someone says we need to replace the US government and someone like me comes along and says “dUh they didn’t mention Biden”.

2.) 2 months 6 days after quid pro quo
Your link is to a calendar. Not sure what value you thought that added to the conversation.

You asked me to back up the claim that the pressure on Ukraine to get rid of Shokin was coming from more than just Biden so I linked you to a letter signed by 8 senators including 3 republican senators back in 2016, a full 3 years before any of this stuff would come out asking for the prosecutors office to be purged. That’s the reality. Adjust accordingly.

You mean this Kasko:
Yes. Your argument hinges on the personal defense of the man trying to save face after having just been fired for corruption, so I gave you the word of his deputy who had nothing to do with any of this. The latter option on its face certainly seems more reliable.

A comment befitting a naive child.
A comment adding nothing of value whatsoever to the conversation except to showcase a bit of ego and condescension.

But I didn’t expect you to engage honestly with that, because there is no argument here. Your claim is that Shokin’s seizure of Zlochevsky’s assets shows that the investigation into Burisma was very much alive, but setting aside that the seizure did nothing to target Burisma, the seizure occurred almost 5 months after Biden got Shokin fired. This is far more easily explained as retaliation than an honest investigative move, especially considering that everything was dropped months later after Shokin left.

This point does nothing to forget your case.

He didn’t care whether they were investigated, according to Gordon Sondland anyway, all he cared about was that the investigation was announced.
According to the recording he did care if they were investigated. Deep State Sycophant vs hard evidence? I'm going with hard evidence.
I have no idea what you are talking about. What tape?

And what makes Gordon Sondland a “deep state Sycophant, besides the fact that he defected from the dear leader’s narrative?

He was no more a political opponent than Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Yang, Gabert, etc.. 
Complete nonsense. Biden was the clear front runner at that point, and he polled better than any other democrat against Trump by far. Trump knew this.

There are multiple independently plausible explanations that don't involve Trump asking for a frame job
And none of them fit the puzzle better than the conclusion that Trump attempted to use foreign aid to extort a foreign ally into helping him slander a domestic political opponent.

And not for nothing but I notice you continue to keep blaming everything on this imaginary deep state bogeyman MAGA world concocted. Do you have any evidence of who is in this deep state and what they have done, you know, actual evidence, or do you find it logically valid to just slide them in wherever it is convenient?

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You already said it, I am an idiot and so is Trump. No need to continue, you won the argument.
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I don’t think these guys deserve such a complete and thoughtful response. It’s impossible to counter nonsense with facts. Sometimes asking questions can provide more light than offering answers. Maybe they will see the light if they answer your questions honestly.
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And not for nothing but I notice you continue to keep blaming everything on this imaginary deep state bogeyman MAGA world concocted. Do you have any evidence of who is in this deep state and what they have done, you know, actual evidence, or do you find it logically valid to just slide them in wherever it is convenient?
they will slide them whenever it’s convenient. Amazing the Deep State wasn’t available to stop Trump in 2016. I guess they were sleeping.